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L1A1Rocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:44 AM
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Schumer wants new standard for judge confirmation
If this standard is addopted it could really cause lots of problems for everyone in the future.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0707/5146.html

New York Sen. Charles E. Schumer, a powerful member of the Democratic leadership, said Friday the Senate should not confirm another U.S. Supreme Court nominee under President Bush “except in extraordinary circumstances.”

“We should reverse the presumption of confirmation,” Schumer told the American Constitution Society convention in Washington. “The Supreme Court is dangerously out of balance. We cannot afford to see Justice Stevens replaced by another Roberts, or Justice Ginsburg by another Alito.”

Schumer’s assertion comes as Democrats and liberal advocacy groups are increasingly complaining that the Supreme Court with Bush’s nominees – Chief Justice John Roberts and Associate Justice Samuel A. Alito – has moved quicker than expected to overturn legal precedents.

Senators were too quick to accept the nominees’ word that they would respect legal precedents, and “too easily impressed with the charm of Roberts and the erudition of Alito,” Schumer said.

“There is no doubt that we were hoodwinked,” said Schumer, who sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee and heads the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

A White House spokeswoman, Dana Perino, said Schumer's comments show "a tremendous disrespect for the Constitution" by suggesting that the Senate not confirm nominees.

"This is the kind of blind obstruction that people have come to expect from Sen. Schumer," Perino said. "He has an alarming habit of attacking people whose character and position make them unwilling or unable to respond. That is the sign of a bully. If the past is any indication, I would bet that we would see a Democratic senatorial fundraising appeal in the next few days."

Schumer voted against confirming Roberts and Alito. In Friday’s speech, he said his “greatest regret” in the last Congress was not doing more to scuttle Alito.

“Alito shouldn’t have been confirmed,” Schumer said. “I should have done a better job. My colleagues said we didn’t have the votes, but I think we should have twisted more arms and done more.”

While no retirements appear imminent, Bush still could have the opportunity to fill another vacancy on the court. Yet the two oldest members – Justice John Paul Stevens, 87, and Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 74 – are part of the court's liberal bloc and could hold off retirement until Bush leaves office in January, 2009.

Earlier this week, Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter, the Judiciary Committee’s ranking Republican, said he was persuaded by a conversation with Justice Stephen G. Breyer, who spoke with Specter at the Aspen Institute gathering in Colorado this month, to study the decisions of the Roberts Court. The term that ended in June was notable for several rulings that reversed or chipped away at several long-standing decisions, delighting conservatives but enraging liberals.

Breyer has publicly raised concerns that conservative justices were violating stare decisis, the legal doctrine that, for the sake of stability, courts should generally leave precedents undisturbed.

“It is not often in the law that so few have so quickly changed so much,” Breyer said, reading his dissent from the bench in June to a 5-4 ruling that overturned school desegregation policies in two cities.

Schumer said there were four lessons to be learned from Alito and Roberts: Confirmation hearings are meaningless, a nominee’s record should be weighed more heavily than rhetoric, “ideology matters” and “take the president at his word.”

“When a president says he wants to nominate justices in the mold of Scalia and Thomas,” Schumer said, “believe him.”
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Cobalt-60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:48 AM
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1. I've got a simple one
No Repulicon nominee will ever again be confirmed.
Yeah that covers all situations.
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Not_Giving_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:49 AM
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2. Ummm...why didn;t they think this way when Roberts and Alito were up for confirmation??
I don't think it was any secret how those two were going to effect the court, yet they were confirmed fairly easily. I watched the entire Alito circus, I taped it. I thought they would smack him down, and I wanted it on tape. I was so disappointed when they just let both of them slide right in. Now that the damage has been done, they're going to say that they shouldn't let the shrub appoint anyone else? No kidding!
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:53 AM
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5. Evidently, Alito (likely w/ crying wife in tow) went to each Judiciary members' office...
...and lied thru his teeth about how moderate he would be (as per Schumer in a recent interview).
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:54 AM
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6. The truth is these Democratic leaders will not take responsibility for their misjudgements
and I am been kind with the word misjudgements. They knew exactly where alito and company stood

what a joke


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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:51 AM
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3. "Quicker than expected?"
Democrats and liberal advocacy groups are increasingly complaining that the Supreme Court with Bush’s nominees – Chief Justice John Roberts and Associate Justice Samuel A. Alito – has moved quicker than expected to overturn legal precedents.

So, we are to assume that these people were confirmed with the knowledge that they would, indeed, overturn legal precedents. The complaint, apparently, is that they're doing it a tad bit too fast. After all, the citizens won't like an abrupt change to a fascist, theocratic police state.

I guess you have to bring the water to a boil more slowly or else the frog knows he's in trouble in time to do something about it.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:52 AM
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4. "hoodwinked" my ass. Were they hoodwinked about the IWR and the patriot act also
how about the bankrupcy bill

I am sorry but for quite a while the Democrats have been a sorry excuse for a party

Yes, I will support them in 2008, and the Supreme Court is one of the reasons, but for schumer to play ignorance is just plain garbage

Even right now with the AG, does anyone really believe that they will charge Alberto with perjury/obstruction of justice?

They could impeach him, but that won't happen either

Pathetic is the only word to describe what the Democrats have done the past 6 years. They have rubber-stamped almost everything this administration passed before them


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L1A1Rocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 12:12 PM
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7. Point missed
You folks are missing my point. If this standard is adopted it will cause universal gridlock on all SCOTUS appointments from this point further. Had this standerd been in place during the Ginsburg confermation she would not have been confirmed.

It is the Presidents perogotive to appoint judges with the advise and consent of the senet. The advise and consent of the senet was put in to stop out right cronieism, not stop qualified persons from being appointed. (no matter how controversiol their political possisions may be)

Please, before you start yelling huray for Senator Schumer, consider the flip side of this coin in the future, because that coin DOES flip from decade to decade.

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:08 PM
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11. alito and roberts both said they would not overturn precident. They have already done so
on several decisions

Incidently, Ginsburg almost didn't get confirmed, but due backdoor negotiating it appeared to go through smoothly

The point is that as far as alito, roberts, and scalia, they are basing their decision NOT on law, but on corporate cronieism and personal views.

A perfect example was the student with the Jesus sign which implied a negative message was ruled that the student did NOT have a right to display it, however, it a seperate ruling they had no problem saying that "people" could advertise on the media against candidates with particular views without saying it is a campaign message, ruling that was freedom of speech

I am not saying good for schumer or for so many Democrats, but not for the reason you state, but for the reason that they allowed people who had a preconceived agenda become part of the court

As for your flip of the coin, you can probably forget about that for the next 20 years based on these appointments

and if you don't think they will rule in favor of the executive branch on executive priviledge, than I have swamp land to sell you in Arizonia



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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 12:15 PM
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8. “There is no doubt that we were hoodwinked,” said Schumer
And why is that?

Everyone here at DU knew this was going to happen. Several smart DUers had the entire history of Roberts and Alito documented, which included things that led us to believe they would not be neutral at all, but would take the SCOTUS in a very conservative direction, out of line with mainstream America.

So why is it that the Democrats in Congress didn't know this? Did any of you even bother to check?

I recall you were "keeping your powder dry." What the f*ck for? Certainly not for impeachment, and upholding the Constitution. So what, exactly, were you waiting for?

This doesn't surprise a lot of us here at DU. Perhaps the Democrats in Congress need to assign staffers to read DU daily, so you can keep up to date with what the hell is going on in the world outside of your little bubble!
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PoiBoy Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 01:13 PM
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9. Isn't Schumer saying that Roberts and Alito lied to the Senate...
...during their confirmation hearings?

<snip>
“There is no doubt that we were hoodwinked,” said Schumer, who sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee and heads the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.
<end>

...and isn't lying under oath at a Congressional or Senate hearing grounds for impeachment?

I sure wish our Dems would grow a spine...



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L1A1Rocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 01:56 PM
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10. They didn't lie outright
If Schumer belived they had lied he would say so, and quote the lie. By "hoodwinked" I belive that Schumer is referencing their refusal to play "what if" situations with the Senators, and refusing to comment on any topic that they may have to rule on. Standard answeres for all SCOTUS appointies.
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PoiBoy Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:52 PM
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12. That makes sense... thanks for your answer and..
welcome to DU!!!

:hi:
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Rydz777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 08:27 AM
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13. Schumer seems to be singling out Stevens and Ginsburg for
early departure. If I were either, I'd be a bit offended. Sure, Stevens is old, born in 1920, but his mother is still alive, and he himself seems to be lively enough. Ginsburg has had some health problems but probably every member of the Court is on some kind of medication.
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Andreshunter77 Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 11:59 PM
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15. That's why it is imperative we elect Obama
Or Hillary for that matter, in order to save the nation.
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GoreVidalIsGod Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:05 PM
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16. Stevens' mom is still alive? Get out!
How old is she?
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RebelSansCause Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 07:00 PM
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14. this should not be necessary
kerry tried to mount a filibuster of Alito and it failed. why? why can the democrats not do anything correctly?? they need to hire all of us on DU (the non-DLC contingent) to tell them what to do. obviously, the dems believe that people tell the truth; i mean look at the guy that is up for confirmation as AG. he does not really think waterboarding is torture :rofl: the idea of the filibuster is to find a compromise candidate who will work. i guarantee if a dem is elected president and there needs to be a replacement on SCOTUS, the repukes will filibuster until they find a more "moderate liberal". interestingly enough, Stevens does not believe himself to be a liberal, because of how the court used to be. it used to the conservatives who wanted to uphold precedent. the liberals were the ones who went out and looked for things like the privacy clause. per-usual politics has swung right. we now have the ultra-conservative reactionary bunch and the conservative branch. maybe o'connor was the last true liberal.
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