Question as to Lakota/Nakota/Dakota

[uppityperson]

I don't know what is the terminology now, and the succeeding of the Lakotas got me wondering. Is "Lakota" meant just the Lakota tribes (groups?) or including Nakota and Dakotas also? Are these terms used now as linguistic differences, and "Lakota" in this case meaning the larger everyone (L/N/D) groups? Thank you.

[existentialist]

1. the separate terms are based of the different dialects of

the language.

All three groups could understand each other, and considered themselves part of the same loose confederation, but there were (are) still significant dialectical differences in the language.


In particular, the three linguistic groups tend to use more Ls, Ns, and Ds.

[uppityperson]

2. Thanks, I know the linguistics, wondering if things like the bit

Russel Means is being spocksman for (suceed, etc) is being said "Lakota", so wondering if he is speaking for a group of just Lakotas, or in the larger sense Lakota/Nakota/Dakota. And hi white boy. Where do you guys live (read elsewhere about being on res)? Are you working there or what? Thanks from a former ND wasicu associated with Standing Rock.

[existentialist]

3. Russell Means

I know that he has no authorization to speak for any of the federally recognized Lakota Tribes.


The extent of any group of individual Lakota they may have authorized him to speak for them I do not know.


I do know that, although most of the Lakota are not generally fond of the United Stated government, that they are dependant upon it. If they stopped receiving benefits a large percentage of them would be in serious danger of starvation.

I also know that the vast majority of Lakota, to the extent that they are politically active outside their own reservations, are Democrats, and that Russell Means is a Libertarian/Republican.

[uppityperson]

4. Let me try again. I don't care about RMeans. My question is about the terms

What is the Lakota/Nakota/Dakota Nation called? Do they have a larger term, greater name they go under? Would the people talking about this suceesion (sp?) mean JUST the Lakotas, or the Nakotas and Dakotas also?

L/N/D applies to different groups, different dialects. Yes, within each group are several subgroups/tribes. I live in a town, in a county, in a state, in a country. Each of these has a different name. Wiki says this:

The Lakota (IPA: ) (also Teton, Tetonwan) are a Native American tribe. They are part a confederation of seven related Sioux tribes (the Oceti Sakowin or seven council fires) and speak Lakota, one of the three major dialects of the Sioux language.

The Lakota are the westernmost of the three Sioux groups, occupying lands in both North and South Dakota. The seven branches or "sub-tribes" of the Lakota are Sicangu, Oglala, Izipaco, Hunkpapa, Miniconjou, Sihasapa, and Ooinunpa.

On December 20, 2007, a group of Lakota activists informed that the Lakota people were withdrawing from treaties signed with the U.S. federal government. It is as yet unclear whether the statements of the activists represent the view of the elected government(s) of the Sioux Nation, or how US federal authorities will respond.

Which I guess answers some of my question. The Lakota are part of Oceti Sakowin, and those proposing this are Lakota.

[existentialist]

5. Ok, I'll try, but this gets awkward, only partly because of my

limited knowledge.

My understanding is that the only accepted word for the Sioux as a while is "Sioux". This is so even though the word "Sioux" is a French derivation from a Chippewa word that meant "snake in the grass." This is a designation made by their enemies that the Sioux haven't liked at at all.

Not withstanding, the word has been adopted into the official names of the federally recognized Sioux Tribes. i.e. Oglala Sioux Tribe, Rosebud Sioux Tribe, Standing Rock Sioux Tribe, Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe, (the biggest four). There are 16 federally recognized Sioux Tribes, and another ten Sioux Tribes in Canada.

[Popol Vuh]

6. Here's a short but comprehensive explanation

From: Quiet Thunder