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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:22 AM
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Wisconsin Death Trip.
Has anyone here read the book or watched the film?
http://www.wisconsindeathtrip.com/reviews.html
This book was originally published in 1973. It is a compilation of news stories from Black River Falls Wi in the 1890's. These were many sordid things that transpired at that time.

This film is a bit of a departure from the book. Here is a part of a review.

When I first heard that someone had made a movie out of Michael Lesy’s shocking, genre-defying “Wisconsin Death Trip,” I could imagine the result, or think of a book less amenable to film. It seemed absolutely a thing in itself: its own construct, its own nightmare, its own scream.

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Michael Lesy’s book, a new edition of which will be published in February by the University of New Mexico Press, was born 30 years ago when Mr. Lesy, then a graduate student at the University of Wisconsin, found an archive of 3,000 images left by one Charles Van Schaick, the town photographer of Black River Falls. In Van Schaick’s time, ordinary people did not have cameras, difficult contraptions that involved black powder and heavy glass plates/ to record the passages of life--births, marriages, store openings, funerals--they turned to a professional. Mr. Lesy noticed Van Schaik’s many pictures of dead infants and children, dressed in their christening gowns, now placed in tiny coffins. As he looked for the story behind these murder, suicide, farm and business failures, madness, addictions, tramp armies, and the ruin of childhood and the desolation of families by epidemics of diphtheria, typhoid, smallpox and flu.

Mr. Lesy made a montage, using items from the local paper, contemporaneous regional fiction and poetry, asylum records and the photographs left by Van Schaick, who in Mr. Lesy’s pages emerges as Arbus’s unknown ancestor. In words, the story was almost too much to take in, the accumulation of awful facts nearly mute in their cacophony. But the pictures spoke. From Van Schaick’s archive Mr. Lesy made a tableau of disassociation, terror and insanity passing for everyday life. It was all in the blank eyes, the frozen mouths in family portraits: those were the ghosts James Marsh saw.

Mr. Marsh’s “Wisconsin Death Trip” is less a film of Mr. Lesy’s book than a quiet reinhabitating of the world it found, or made. “In a way the book is unfilmable,” says Mr. Marsh. So he left the book. For the movie, he alternates long black-and-white segments set a century ago--through prairie-flat re-enactments, you see an 1980’s avatar of Susan Smith sitting by the lake where she has drowned her children, a farmer randomly killed by a young boy, farmers who have killed themselves, two women murdered by a tramp they have fed and then the tramp’s own suicide, a madwoman traveling the country in search of windows to break, and, in parlor scenes, just how dead children were positioned to have their pictures taken--with brief, prosaic interludes of present-day Black River Falls shot in color. “What today speaks for the town,” says Mr. Marsh, What binds it, what is undermining it.”

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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 09:27 AM
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1. Oh-I'm new this forum. Hello from a newbie.
I don't know if this would book and film be of interest but I thought I'd pass it along. I found this quite compelling. :hi:
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 11:35 AM
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2. Welcome to the forum
:hi: and thanks for this info.

This sounds like a really interesting book.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:17 PM
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3. Thanks for the welcome.
This seems like an interesting forum. :hi:
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:27 PM
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4. It is interesting once in a while
It's hard to keep it active though.

Welcome to the forum too. :hi:
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:47 PM
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5. It seems strange that this would be a slow moving forum.
Edited on Tue Sep-27-05 01:50 PM by myrna minx
Perhaps it is due to Katrina and Rita? :shrug: I wasn't aware of this place, but now I have it bookmarked. I'm a bit of a neophyte when it comes to current TC. I'm interested in historical TC, such as saucy Jack the Ripper and Elizabeth Bathory. I have discovered some book suggestions in this forum, so I am looking forward to reading some current TC. :hi:
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 01:51 PM
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6. It was hoppin' when the BTK killer was in the news
It goes in cycles and I guess it just takes some of it in the news to get people in here talking. I check here a lot and try to respond if there are new threads.

Hopefully it gets going again.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-05 11:37 PM
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7. Very familiar with both the book and the film
Nice to hear that they are reissuing WDT. my copy really is falling apart. Have you read his "Forbidden Zone"? it's a nonfiction account of various "places of death" Homicide department, slaughterhouse, funeral parlors, etc...
Like you, I was also puzzled when I heard that WDT had been turned into a film, but I think the filmmakers did an admirable (and difficult) job. I would have left out the contemporary, color footage, but that's just me. I didn't feel that it was necessary.
Did you know that they shot a lot of the vignettes at 32fps? It gives the resulting footage a dreamlike state. And I'm never going to forget the image of the gun-toting youth wearing a feed sack as a mask. Haunting.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:48 AM
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8. No, I haven't heard of Forbidden Zone.
I found a review:
From Library Journal
This first-hand account of Lesy's "journeys" to Americans who deal professionally with death (the "forbidden zone" on the map of contemporary American culture) is, of course, once removed for the reader. But the depth of the author's experiences with the soldier, the undertaker, the slaughterhouse "knocker," the pathologist, the counselor of AIDS victims, the warden of Death Row inmates, is vitally evident in this starkly descriptive text. The soul of his Jewish and family heritage pervades Lesy's writing and search to understand the ways in which these particular mortals deal with mortality. A powerful, thoughtful book. For academics, for discussion and reflection by a wide general audience.Suzanne W. Wood, SUNY Agricultural & Technical Coll. Lib., Alfred
Copyright 1987 Reed Business Information, Inc.

I am quite new to this area, so I appreciate any book suggestions. This book sounds quite interesting.

I originally discovered Wisconsin Death Trip because, well, I'm from Wisconsin. Wisconsin has now become a caricature as a result of Ed Gein and more currently Jeffrey Dahmer. When I first discovered this book I thought 'Oh no, here we go, more craziness from Wisconsin' but tales in this book fascinated me. I wanted to know more. The newspaper accounts are so matter of fact as they report the births, epidemics, murders and madness as they envelop this community. I suspect that if you cast a long gaze into any community and search through their records, the murder/arson/madness/illness/suicide may be more common for developing communities than one would think, especially at the time of the sod busters.

I agree, the film has a dreamlike quality to it. I thought the filmmakers, while having enough material to create a crazy farce, treated the subject matter with such maturity and understanding, albeit you couldn't;t help but laugh from time to time. I really enjoyed it.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-05 07:32 PM
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11. I just checked, and Amazon has Lesy's stuff...
The paper back is $20. He also has more than one book.
Duckie
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:30 PM
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9. Welcome newbie!
We are always looking for new members of our little forum!

:hi:
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 04:46 PM
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10. Thanks. I've really enjoyed reading the information here.
:hi:
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