KOEB Meeting: 12/18/08 -- RIP, Majel Barrett Roddenberry Edition

[Patsy Stone]

[SeattleGirl]

1. Hi Pats. I loved Majel. Probably my fave ST:TNG character.

As to the new pastor-gate, oy. This isn't fun.

[Patsy Stone]

3. I'm sure Gene is happy to have her back with him

:hi:

[Berry Cool]

4. I hate it. I hate the nastiness that has taken over DU.

:hi: And I dearly wish Obama had not done it. I do think it was the wrong decision, and I'm going to say so, FWIW. Because I like to think Obama would at least listen if enough of us make it clear that we don't like this.

We need to keep pushing.

At the same time, I am disgusted by the atheist contingent at DU who regard all people of faith as the Enemy.

[SeattleGirl]

8. It really is a mess, isn't it, Berry?

I also wish he hadn't done it, and I agree that pushing is the thing to do.

But convening the circular firing squad once again? Oh boy.

It's not just the atheist contingent. I've seen straight people being accused of being homophobic for nothing more than offering a different opinion (that said absolutely nothing about denying someone their rights). I've seen the straight contingent tell the GLBT contingent to get over themselves.

It's all out war.

[SharonRB]

11. And I thought once the primaries and the election were over

things would settle down. I should have known better.

[Berry Cool]

16. Yeah, that too. Because if you disagree with some people, you're a bigot.

And if you're GBLT and you're tired of being patient and waiting for your rights and you say so, you're a drama queen.

Oh man.

[SeattleGirl]

A definite lose-lose situation.

:sigh:

[WolverineDG]

12. I hear you

I've gotten to the point where I put anyone who professes to be atheist on ignore. I just can't stand their temper tantrums & immature antics on religious threads.

As for Warren, well, I'm so fucking tired of all the hair-rending & banshee-wailing about Obama's other picks. I just don't have time to keep up with all this "OUTRAGE!!!!!1111" shit.

dg

[SeattleGirl]

34. Me too.

I don't go into those forums much these days.

[Patsy Stone]

2. I hid 72 Rick Warren threads last night.

Those were just the ones where I saw his name in the thread title, there were others.

:hi: Where is everyone?

[SeattleGirl]

5. Probably hiding from the flying slings and arrows.

I'm telling you, it's getting downright stoopud in GD and GD-P. I'm not talking about the genuine outrage that many members have; I'm none too happy about the pick myself. But I responded in a thread where someone wanted to know who else so controversial had been picked to give the invocation, and I responded with Franklin Graham.

The person shot back, Yeah, what's your point!!?

Huh?

Um, I was answering a question.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Berry Cool]

7. There are many people who are using this controversy as free license to be assholes.

All I can say is, the freepers must be thinking there just isn't enough popcorn... *sigh*

[SharonRB]

10. I'm here

I was just uploading some photos to Facebook.

:hi:

I wish Barack hadn't done this, but I do understand that he was reaching out. I hate the backlash.

[Patsy Stone]

13. Why are you such a homophobe??

Trying to see different sides of this issue gets you nowhere around these parts.

:hi:

[SharonRB]

18. Oh, I know

I haven't commented on even one of those threads. I refuse to get into the middle of it. I really do see both sides. Even though I think it was a mistake, I think in the big scheme of things, it's not going to affect anything beyond the inauguration. It's not as though he was named to a cabinet post or anything.

[Patsy Stone]

23. I commented in one

I couldn't help myself. Someone was screaming about how insulting it was that Warren was going to administer the oath of office. I commented that apparently he had become Chief Justice while we were sleeping.

Oy vey. 72 threads, in GDP, in one night, just on the front page, and that wasn't all of them. DU is just fighting to fight at this point. I think they've all lost their respective plots by now.

[SharonRB]

26. I hear ya.

There really are more important things to worry about and talk about. Again, I totally understand the outrage, but people need to look at the big picture. That being said, I wish he hadn't done it.

[Berry Cool]

31. I won't say it in GD, but I think this victory has turned us into "Inauguration-Zillas,"

the Dem equivalent of a Bridezilla.

We want EVERYTHING about this inauguration to be perfect, some of us...not a single guest of which we disapprove, no words spoken that we might not like, just the right outfits, just the right people participating, and if we don't get our way on every detail, we are ready to throw a fit. Because everything is so SYMBOLIC, doncha know???????

We are like brides who don't care nearly as much about the marriage as we do about the WEDDING.

[SharonRB]

33. Oh, just wait until the marriage!

They'll find things to complain about in every little issue.

[Berry Cool]

49. I can tell you, as much as I look forward to having Obama in the White House,

I am NOT looking forward to what DU becomes after it happens.

Just call it "Will Success Spoil DU?"

I'm afraid it will. We're much better at being underdogs than winners. We can't handle victory. We are much more used to being losers. Then, we can all hang together and rail at The Powers That Be. Give us a victory, and we squabble to death over how to deal with it. Like a bunch of poor people who went in together on a lottery ticket and won. Now we have to figure out how to spend the jackpot, and all we can do is fight, fight, fight.

[SeattleGirl]

52. I fear you are right, Berry.

Neither gracious losers or gracious winners on DU.

:cry:

[SeattleGirl]

39. Berry, you've hit the nail on the head!

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[SeattleGirl]

38. And how many people are going to remember who gave it anyway?

I'm sure some will, and I don't say that to diminish anyone who is genuinely hurt by this.

But I was commenting in a thread today where many of the faux-outragers couldn't remember that Franklin Graham gave the invocation in 2001. He's not exactly a best friend to the GLBT community.

[SharonRB]

41. I think because of the controversy. people will remember this time

The incoming administration in 2001 didn't even pretend to be GLBT, so no one paid any attention to the fact that Graham wasn't either.

[SeattleGirl]

42. You do have a point.

I guess I'm just tired of all the people tearing Obama apart before he even takes office.

I wonder who will be his worst enemy, the Dems or the Repukes.

[SharonRB]

44. You've got that right.

I have a feeling it will be the Dems. People are expecting too much of him and they'll be disappointed if they think he's going to be perfect on everything.

[SeattleGirl]

45. Exactly. He will have a lot riding on his shoulders, thanks to Bushco.

And while I think that it is fine (and necessary) to be critical of the President, I think the reaction here is way out of proportion.

[WolverineDG]

20. There would be backlash no matter who he picked

even the head of Americans United would have drawn shit-headed responses from those spoiling for some kind of fight.

:hi:

dg

[Patsy Stone]

25. Zoroastrians for Obama!!

:hi:

[SharonRB]

27. Rastafarians for Obama!

[WolverineDG]

30. Pastafarians for Obama! nt

[SharonRB]

35. ...

:rofl:

[WolverineDG]

28. Oh, you're another mental moron who believes in fairytales

:eyes:

:rofl:

Heya Pats!! :hi:

dg

[Berry Cool]

62. You superstitious idiot.

:rofl:

[WolverineDG]

6. Nurse Chapel? NOOOOOOO

:cry: :cry: :cry:

Man oh man, are the assholes out in GD & GDP. :eyes:

:hi: all!!

dg

[Berry Cool]

14. I don't even want to go there. It's worse than when Tim Russert died

in terms of bringing out the worst in people.

How many people are now disowning and renouncing Obama and all his works?

Do I understand the anger? Yes. Do I deserve it aimed at ME?? No. Do I think Obama should be thrown on the scrap heap for it? No.

[WolverineDG]

21. Bot took a beating by pointing out the alternative was McCain

And we all know how gay-friendly he is('nt).

dg

[Berry Cool]

65. Dare we re-raise the specter of Sarah Palin?

That other DU-hog?

How soon we forget...we coulda had her. Yah, sure, you betcha, you're darn right.

[Patsy Stone]

73. Three words:

Anna Nicole Smith.

Also see: Olive Garden, breastfeeding, corn flake chicken.

[SeattleGirl]

76. And don't forget smoking.

That one's always good for a few flame wars.

[SharonRB]

78. How about

showing your receipt when you leave Costco (or whatever store it was)?

[Patsy Stone]

FASCISM!!!

Run away! Run away!

[SharonRB]

82. What a waste of bandwidth that one was.

[SeattleGirl]

83. I think it was Best Buy.

You'd think it was a violation of civil rights, rather than a store looking out for their own welfare.

Now, if BB was strip searching people leaving the store, that would be another issue altogether, but they aren't.

[SharonRB]

89. Thanks -- I couldn't remember the store

but I knew it was really stupid. It's not a big deal to show your receipt so they know you paid for what you're walking out with. Sheesh. Some people get their panties in a twist over nothing.

[SeattleGirl]

91. Exactly.

And I'm sure those same people would tar and feather me if they knew I just bought a new computer from BB.

Some people need to get a life.

[Berry Cool]

108. Yeah, but my point was that of all the bandwidth-hogging DU topics out there,

Sarah Palin was the only one who actually could have been our vice president (and perhaps our president)--and if SHE were ever inaugurated, the clergy she'd have at HER inaugural would make Rick Warren look like the Pope.

We could be looking at the first inauguration ever to feature a Driving Out of the Witches ceremony.

[SharonRB]

22. I'm just so afraid people aren't going to forget this

no matter how much good he does and they won't vote for him in 2012. It's going to take a lot to bring them back into the fold. I'm sure Barack knows what he's doing, even if it may not seem like it to a lot of people right now.

[WolverineDG]

43. All they're doing is making sure people will remember it

I mean, who gave the invocation at the last inauguration? (don't cheat & do a google search) :eyes:

dg

[ralps]

9. Hi Patsy! Hi Everyone!

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[SharonRB]

15. Jerry Falwell in a Hawaiian shirt?

:rofl:

[Patsy Stone]

17. That was a good line.

:)

[Berry Cool]

19. This guy from Americans for the Separation of Church and State is a good guest

but agh, his toupee... :scared:

[SharonRB]

24. Go, Carl!

:loveya: my senator!

[bleever]

29. So'd you guys hear about this Rick Warren thing?

:D

Randi had a great conversation with Mitchell Gold on her show today about this. He talked about how Warren causes such trauma to teens discovering they are gay. It was the best discussion I've heard (or read) on the subject.

:hi:

[WolverineDG]

32. Who? There's a controversy on DU?

I never would have guessed. :crazy:

:hi:

dg

[Berry Cool]

40. Don't get me wrong, I sincerely hope Obama gets enough pressure that he changes his plans.

And I am glad Keith led with the story tonight and gave it such balanced coverage. He let the guy who thinks "Warren = reaching across the aisle" have his say, and also the guy who believes "You don't reach across the aisle to be inclusive to bigots" say his. (I sense he leans toward the latter point of view.)

At the same time, I'm glad he's covering other important issues, including having John Dean on (thanks for the KOOS, John :loveya: ) to talk about putting Bushco on trial, and the continued whitewashing by Bush of his record--which Keith is NOT going to let him get away with.

[WolverineDG]

46. Rick could to the right thing & bow out

my pastor gave us Warren's book to read a few years ago (when I was going to church). I honestly couldn't get through it & ended up giving the book away.

dg

[SeattleGirl]

48. I wish he would do that too.

I was listening to either Randi or Rachel's radio show today, and someone on there said that if Obama tells Warren he can't come, that would create a whole other backlash, but if Warren himself bowed out, that would be the best conclusion to this fiasco.

[SharonRB]

53. I agree

Of course, I'm sure Warren doesn't care if people get pissed at Obama, so why should he back out?

[Patsy Stone]

55. Right

Why would he bow out? What does he have to lose? Nothing.

[SeattleGirl]

56. Yeah, there is that.

Maybe some folks from Obama's transition team, or some people from Congress, should sneak on over to Warren's place and have a little heart-to-heart with him.

Oh, never mind. That would come out, and things would get even worse, if that were possible.

[Patsy Stone]

60. A horse's head

in the bed?

"And you tell him, I ain't no band leader!"

[SeattleGirl]

61. You know, that just might do it!

:rofl:

[SharonRB]

64. Maybe they could get Blagojevich to promise to appoint

him junior senator from Illinois.

[Patsy Stone]

67. You are a genius!!!

:rofl:

[SharonRB]

72. Thank you, ma'am!

I think a deserve a DUzy for that one.

[Patsy Stone]

36. No, but if you hum a few bars

maybe I'll recognize it.

:hi:

[SeattleGirl]

47. .......

:spray:

[SharonRB]

37. Who?

Rick Warren?

Never hoid of 'im.

[bleever]

50. Here comes the Al Franken Decade!

It makes me happy. :)

[Patsy Stone]

51. GMTA

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8002082&mesg_id=8002131

[bleever]

58. And at the same time.

[SharonRB]

59. That's bizarre

You two are definitely spending too much time together.

[Berry Cool]

54. No, Dick, we won't love you WHEN you're dead,

we'll love it THAT you're dead.

Please listen carefully.

[Botany]

57. But bush kept us safe from the run away horse

http://www.a1freesoundeffects.com/animals12557/horseneigh.wav

Did I ever say I really hate bush?

[Patsy Stone]

63. NSA say no linky here.

:hi:

[Berry Cool]

81. Harry Shearer talks about the auto bailout.

More important issues that aren't going away. "An organized bankruptcy"? Huh?!? Isn't that kind of like an organized explosion??

[SharonRB]

66. Bush is an idiot

I can't believe he's going to let the autos go down. He's been talking to Shelby and Corker too much.

[SeattleGirl]

69. "A dump of historic proportions...."

:rofl:

Oh, Keef. You DO have a way with words!

[Botany]

70. He is a screaming ass hat

The unemployment will cost more than the loan.

[SharonRB]

75. Exactly

and you never hear anyone say that publicly.

[Botany]

86. and steel, rubber, plastics, glass, transporation, tool and die shops, and

so many more will go down too .... but bush & Cheney and all those
bastards will go and count their money and laugh ... they should be in jail.


Source: A.P.

Bush considering "orderly" auto bankruptcy
By JENNIFER LOVEN – 1 hour ago
WASHINGTON (AP) —

The Bush administration is seriously considering "orderly" bankruptcy as a way of dealing with the desperately ailing U.S. auto industry.

White House press secretary Dana Perino said Thursday, "There's an orderly way to do bankruptcies that provides for more of a soft landing. I think that's what we would be talking about."

President George W. Bush, asked about an auto rescue plan during an appearance before a private group, said he hadn't decided what he would do.

But he, like Perino, spoke of the idea of bankruptcies organized by the federal government as a possible way to go.

"Under normal circumstances, no question bankruptcy court is the best way to work through credit and debt and restructuring," he said during a speech and question-and-answer session at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative Washington think tank. "These aren't normal circumstances. That's the problem."

Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gjq9n...

[SharonRB]

68. If he had become president under these same circumstances...

I can't even imagine and I won't let my brain even go there.

[SeattleGirl]

74. Yeah, don't do that to yourself.

You'll tie your brain in knots that you'll never get untied!

[SharonRB]

77. No, actually, I think my head would explode!

[ralps]

71. Oh Just SHUT THE FRELL UP Georgie!!!

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo: :grr:

[Botany]

79. The man needs to crawl in a bottle and go away

clueless just clueless and lie on lie he just doesn't stop.

[SharonRB]

80. I think we need to change GD: Presidential

to General Discussion: Warren.

[SeattleGirl]

85. Or General Chaos: Warren

:)

[Patsy Stone]

88. warrenunderground.com?

:eyes:

[SeattleGirl]

90. :snerk:

Good one, Pats!

[SharonRB]

94. ROFL

http://www.warrenundergroundpb.com/

[SeattleGirl]

96. OMG!

:rofl: :rofl:

[SharonRB]

92. Good one!

[Berry Cool]

87. Keith still has his cold?

Come over here, Keith. Mama will make you some nice chicken soup. And tuck you in bed. :evilgrin:

"Shoe-gasm." :rofl:

[Patsy Stone]

84. "The international shoe-gasm continues."

:rofl:

[Berry Cool]

93. Pats, I think we achieved near mutual shoe-gasm.

Was it as good for you as it was for me? :rofl:

[Patsy Stone]

97. It was.

[SharonRB]

95. KO does a great Insanity!

:rofl:

[Patsy Stone]

99. That whole WPITW was great.

"When Michele Malkin is the voice of reason..." :rofl:

[SeattleGirl]

101. Oh, that cracked me up too!

I think we've fallen down the rabbit hole!

:rofl:

[Berry Cool]

102. I love it when he does the Manatee!

Even better, tonight was a two-fer--he did Cheney too.

The only bad thing was that they didn't have the camera on him so I could see how he screws up his face and talks out one side of his mouth. I lose it when I see that.

But he made up for that with his "The New Shoe Revue" comment. :rofl:

[ralps]

98. Today's worst person in the world is Sean Hannity for saying Obama bribed Time

to make him Person of the Year! (I think) :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo: :rofl:

[Patsy Stone]

103. And getting told by Brett Bozell

Another lunatic, but at least one with perhaps a toe in reality.

:hi:, ralps!

[Botany]

100. How come the Worst Persons in the World were all from Fox?

:rofl: :bounce: :spank:

:rofl: :bounce: :spank:

:rofl: :bounce: :spank:

:rofl: :bounce: :spank:

:rofl: :bounce: :spank:

:rofl: :bounce: :spank:

[Berry Cool]

105. Because nobody does dumb quite like they do.

Oh dear, Keith was getting delirious there toward the end! He said he didn't even know why he made the mustache comment! Must be high on cold medication! :rofl:

I'm still waiting for him to say "Santy" at least once this season. It's not the holidays until Keith says "Santy" at least once.

I didn't realize he ducked a shoe himself while on the air. Too funny!

[SharonRB]

104. I'm sure Rachel isn't happy about Warren

Her coverage should be interesting.

[RevCheesehead]

106. Hi, everyone!

I had an afternoon meeting that went late, and since I was in the metropolis of Sturgeon Bay, I just HAD to go to Target... so, now I'm here!

I'll catch the rerun.
And, Peace to you, Lwaxana. O8)

[SharonRB]

107. Hi, Rev

:hi:

How's your weather? We're supposed to get a big storm tonight -- I'm working from home tomorrow. :woohoo:

[RevCheesehead]

110. We were supposed to get hit with a big storm.

But somehow, I think it's gone more south than anticipated. And, it's damned cold again (5 degrees on my way home tonight!). :scared:

Enjoy your day at home, Sharon!

[SharonRB]

112. Wish I could just enjoy it, but I really do have to work at least

a good part of the day. At least I can sleep late in the morning, though, and stay in sweats all day.

[Berry Cool]

109. Hey Rev!!

:hi: Good to see ya! Enjoy the rerun! Keith mentions his old mustache for no reason!!

[RevCheesehead]

111. I know why he mentioned it.

Because two days ago, you were commenting on his upper lip dent. :D