KOEB Meeting - 7/21/05

[Patsy Stone]

[Patsy Stone]

1. Another live intro

It's a shame that it has to be because of terror alerts.

Also, I am LOVIN' this new outfit! See, that's a good grey suit! You go, KO! :loveya:

[gkhouston]

6. does he have a new grey suit?

I'm working, not watching. Okay, not exactly working at this very moment. Me bad.

Did he finally get a decent-looking gray suit just to go nyah-nyah at us?

[RevCheesehead]

8. Yes - dark grey pinstripe.

It looks good on him - well, it's better than that other thing.

[gkhouston]

10. a prison jumpsuit would be better than

"that other thing" but a dark grey pinstripe would be yummy.

[Patsy Stone]

Yes.

And it picks up the silver in his hair and it's spectacular. A tad shiny, a bit darker then the dreaded suit-which-must-not-be-named, and it has wide set tone-on-tone pinstripes. Just on the edge of gangster, but sooo much better and more, pardon the pun, suited to him.

:hi: gk

[gkhouston]

12. and hi to you

I'm glad it's not too "gangster". Ugh, that politician the other night -- was his suit not truly awful. As if we didn't already think a lot of politicians are crooks!

[Patsy Stone]

16. Drier and yes, it was right out of Dick Tracy. :) n/t

[gkhouston]

18. bwahahahaha

Dick Tracy! So... true...


:rofl:

[RevCheesehead]

15. When did we name the grey suit?

And what is it called - Valdem....... (*slaps hand over mouth*)

[Patsy Stone]

19. LOL

I remember calling it the Accountant Suit. :)

"Sailing the wide Accountancy!"

[gkhouston]

22. :-)

now I feel like we're the chorus in a Gilbert and Sullivan opera.

[RevCheesehead]

23. Is that a Python reference?

The opening from "The Meaning of Life?"

Oooohh - Keith said "Chicaaa-go" :)

[Patsy Stone]

34. Yepper. :) n/t

[crispini]

127. I *love* that bit.

Python :loveya:

[WolverineDG]

104. careful

i like that grey suit....okay i might be the only one so i'll go :hide: now


dg

[gkhouston]

114. we love you

even if you're sadly misguided. :7

[WolverineDG]

103. Grey suit!!

mmmm, i love the grey suits.

dg

[RevCheesehead]

2. Hi Patsy.

Nice hearts. Floaties on caffeine, eh? :)

For Keith: :loveya:

[Patsy Stone]

4. Swiped 'em from Crispini, so, yeah, probably. :)

Hey, Rev. :hi:

[Patsy Stone]

3. Shepherd's Bush was my stop

on my recent trip to London.

[RevCheesehead]

5. I don't know London well at all.

I spent a few days there about 10 years ago. What can I say - I had a map. :)

[bleever]

96. On any other topic, this would have been a setup for a good joke.

And I was thinking about your trip to London, after both bombings.

Phew.

[Patsy Stone]

101. Which is why

I made sure the house was sparkling clean when I left. You nevah, nevah know. Thanks. :loveya:

[RevCheesehead]

7. Ouch, my eyes.

Roger, you need to provide sunglasses with that tie! B-)

[gkhouston]

9. ah, the bounty of Dan Abrams

makes itself known all over MSNBC.

[RevCheesehead]

11. bwahahaha!

Time for a mutiny on that bounty!

[gkhouston]

13. baby, you could shipwreck me

with Dan Abrams...

if Other Anchors weren't available. :blush:

[RevCheesehead]

20. OK, we've got you with Danny Boy,

Crispini with Tucker, ....
Hmmm... if Keith is TRULY unobtainable, I'll gladly take David :loveya: Gregory. (unless Sparky shows up)

[gkhouston]

21. he might turn up

you never know when he's lurking in the shadows...

[Botany]

14. Drive by blog .....

Hi to the EDVs of the KOEB!

Rev I will be a wis con sinner next week .......
Apostle Islands.

[gkhouston]

17. hi, Cuddles

what kind of sinner are you this week? :evilgrin:

[RevCheesehead]

26. You will love them!!!

Oh, Bot - I recently found out that there's a new car ferry service south of here - is that the one you were referring to? It's supposed to be turbo-driven, and crosses the lake in 2 hours. I think it goes to Sheboygan or North Milwaukee.

[gkhouston]

24. hey, where *is* Crispini?

I saw her post something over in GD about 45 minutes ago. I thought she'd be here tonight.

[bettyellen]

25. hi patsy, cheese, botany, gk :-)

how is everybody?
:loveya:
is there new plame stuff coming up?
woooo hooooooo to that

[gkhouston]

27. hi, bettyellen

any progress on the renovations? Are you any closer to cleanliness in a reclining position? :7

[bettyellen]

29. another 5 weeks, if you can believe it....

the fella went to italy for three weeks.
again. :shrug:

[gkhouston]

30. Again? Is he a smuggler or something?

Is he at least doing nice work or have you been able to tell? Sheesh, it'll be Halloween at this rate before get into your new place. Trick or treat.

[bettyellen]

35. right, it may be halloween. the first time, there was a death in his

family- so three weeks off. now, this is just a vacation-- also three weeks.
it looks okay so far, there's a bit of exposed brick in two rooms which looks nice. they got a lot of the new bathroom done with the most godawful tile i've ever seen, wide black and white stipes. but the black tiles are etched with this weird floral motif. it's a lttle sopranos, but hey it's brand new. LOL.

[Patsy Stone]

36. Oh.My. :) n/t

[gkhouston]

42. well, considering how long it takes to get there

and how much the ticket costs relative to his salary, I can kind of understand why he'd want to stay awhile. As for the tile... well, new counts for something. And be glad it's black and white and not some god-awful puce color.

[bettyellen]

48. exactly. hey. i'm going to have a shower and my beloved bath.

i have no right to bitch. ;)

[RevCheesehead]

28. Hi, B.E.

:hi: I'll bet you're looking for Puppet Theatre. :)

[bettyellen]

31. you know me too well.

i love it when he does those stupid voices.
:bounce:
how are things in wisconsin? is it still one big patty melt out there?

[Patsy Stone]

32. The voices are the best.

That's a drag about the renovations. :hi:

:loveya:

[merh]

39. Hey Patsy!

:hi: How's it going? :shrug:

More floaty hearts :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[bettyellen]

40. september's a good time for a fresh start

plus i figure at this point he has to be a bit flexible about how soon i move.
it's a weird thing with these workers, they come and go. i had three two weeks ago, now just one, someone completely different. :shrug:

[Patsy Stone]

77. Sounds like September's a great time. :)

I don't know what to say. It's even worse when you don't have control over the project. :hug:

[gkhouston]

79. well, at least it won't be so brutally hot

when you're moving. That's something.

[RevCheesehead]

33. Yup - on a stale crispy bun.

All the rain went south - again. The grass goes *crunch, crunch* when I walk on it.

[gkhouston]

37. I'd love to send you some rain

but I don't think I can blow that hard. ;-)

I love the voices too. Makes me think of kids goofing off in the back of a classroom in junior high. Of course, I'm sure our Keith was always a serious and extremely well-behaved student. :+

[merh]

38. Hey ya Rev!

Just stopped in to say hello! :hi:

And of course to post some floaty hearts :loveya: :loveya:

[Patsy Stone]

41. Always so nice to see you pop in, merh!

TTTTB! :toast:

[merh]

46. To the ties that bind!

:grouphug:

Don't mind if I do! :beer:

:toast:

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[bettyellen]

50. cheers, my dear

:toast:

[merh]

54. Oh, hugs to you Betty!

:hug: :hug: And of course, I clink my glass with yours! :toast:

:beer:

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[bettyellen]

65. clink clink

wooo hooo

[Patsy Stone]

59. It's Bill!

Sit right down, dear. :toast::hug:

[merh]

67. Why don't mind if I do!

Thanks Patsy! :hug: :toast: :beer:

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya::loveya: :loveya::loveya: :loveya::loveya: :loveya:

[RevCheesehead]

44. And they look good on ya!

:hi: Wazzup, merh?

[merh]

51. Not much, just checking on you all!

And sharing the love! :toast: :beer:

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[bleever]

100. Here merh, let me pour you another.

:beer:

Nice to see you. Some of our ripples are getting pretty wide, huh?

(((((( :) ))))))

[merh]

106. Oh, thanks so much bleever!

:beer: I believe you are right about the wrinkles ;-)

I do Believe! :hug:

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[bettyellen]

43. oh my. i forgot i have to water--- Yeah -- Plame woooo hooooo

:bounce:

[Patsy Stone]

45. "S" stands for secret.

You go, KO. That WaPo article was great. KKKarl's going down.

[RevCheesehead]

52. "S" also stands for...

[gkhouston]

57. for what? I get a broken picture link.

was it a cowpie?

[RevCheesehead]

62. No - it was SuperKeith.

I "borrowed" it from someone's photobucket account. Maybe he doesn't live there anymore. :(

"Stand by for popsicle sticks"

[bleever]

Yes indeedy! Maybe he'll claim that it wasn't marked DSS

(for Double Super Secret) and hence not of true importance to national security.

:)

[Patsy Stone]

98. It was also marked TS

for Top Secret. It had everything but that band across it screaming CONFIDENTIAL. Oy. I feel some parsing going on here. :crazy:

KKKarl goes on DSP (Double Secret Probation)!

[bleever]

47. Oh Boy: a Rove update. Woo hoo!

Best Rove joke of the day: Tom Oliphant, on Al Franken's show: "If I see Karl, I'll tell him to keep his chins up."

:7

[gkhouston]

49. OMFG

:spray:

I hadn't heard that one. Thanks for sharing. :hi:

[bettyellen]

53. hey bleeeve . :hug:

how goes it?

[bleever]

56. Hi BE. It goes pretty well. Thanks for being the only one to

respond to my lengthy post on "framing".

How are you? I haven't had time to read the thread yet. Hope all's well.

:hi:

[bettyellen]

63. people get all hot and bothered about framing i dunno why...

i suspect a heavy emotional investment in chomsky though. it seems to be an either or kinda thing.
he, i liked your post, i couldn't help it. LOL.
:D

[Patsy Stone]

55. Very Good!

:hi:

[bleever]

58. I make it a policy to steal only the very best jokes.

How are you, Pats? Nice to see you.


:hi:

[Patsy Stone]

64. Good thinkin'

because we can all come up with bad jokes on our own. :)

I'm very well, thanks. Nice to see you, too. :toast:

[RevCheesehead]

69. Hey, bleev

Did you see the parrots on last night? Keith's own shout-out to our resident one-eyed pirate. Arrrrhhhhh! ;)

[bleever]

83. Hey, you're right! I completely missed that it was a shout-out to me!

My modesty is one of my few shortcomings.

:hi:

[gkhouston]

85. bleev, you're obviously

a man of limited vision. (ba-dum-bum)

[RevCheesehead]

89. ..

:spray:

[gkhouston]

90. please do that outside

your grass could use the water!

[RevCheesehead]

95. That's exactly where I'm headed now.

See ya later! :hi:

[gkhouston]

97. later

I need to do chores, then more work. Night all.

[bleever]

102. Obviously you've never heard of the One-Eye Love.

Coming to the cover of a romance novel in a drugstore near you!

[gkhouston]

115. I've heard of it

but isn't that sort of a self-serve proposition? :blush:

[RevCheesehead]

153. Why am I picturing Burgess Meredith?

Visions of "Grumpy Old Men" just passed through my mind. :evilgrin:

[gkhouston]

156. eeyeew

Mental picture. Not needed. (Although I got the reference.)

[Patsy Stone]

60. Joe Wilson! So coool.

Tomorrow's gonna be good. :loveya:

[noamnety]

61. Gaaa! These guys are being stupid

Deliberately leaking classified information to someone without a security clearance is a crime. It's true that it isn't usually prosecuted - but that's because it's usually an accident/pure stupidity.

S/NF (Secret NoForn) doesn't really make it more of a crime than if it were just Secret.

Either way he should have his clearance suspended until it is resolved, and probably permanently.

[RevCheesehead]

66. hi, fern...

:hi: nice to see ya.

I wonder if they can prove the vindictive retribution angle, especially since Rove said he went after Wilson because he's a Democrat.

[noamnety]

72. Hi there

Noforn makes it more damaging to the US, but yes, the democrat comment is going to hurt Rove in court more than the fact that it was n/f, I think.

[Patsy Stone]

70. Hey, lw

It's looking like old times around here. :)

Secret is secret enough for me to figure out that it's a secret. :crazy:

[bleever]

68. "How to treat a lady" tutorial night.

Better yet, how NOT to.

I mean, a guy doesn't need to be an expert on the G-spot to know not to cheat on his fiancee, even if his life isn't tabloid fodder to start.

:shrug:

[Muffstser]

71. Michael Jackson Puppet Theatre is BAAAAAAAAAACK!

I LOVE IT!!! I LOVE IT!!! Egads, I've missed this...

[RevCheesehead]

76. Where did they find crickets that big?

And, they must go through a lot of popsicles in that newsroom. :)

[gkhouston]

78. LOL. You can by popsicle sticks at craft stores.

You don't have to eat popsicles... although perhaps they do. ;-)

[WolverineDG]

105. sure you can buy them at craft stores gk

but that would take all the fun out of it. ;)

dg

[Gogi]

110. Them's big, fat Texas crickets!

Did you hear about the guy in Texas who went out into his garage, felt something sharp on his foot, reached down and was bitten on the hand by the pygmy rattlesnake that had just bitten his foot? He then jumped back and fell over a barrel onto a copperhead snake that proceeded to bite his other foot and his groin? I'd tear that garage down because nothing would induce me to go back into it! :scared: :yoiks:

[RevCheesehead]

154. Ewww.

But it begs the question - if he was in Texas, why wasn't he wearing his boots?

[gkhouston]

158. maybe he was breaking in a pair of flip-flops

for an upcoming visit to the White House? :shrug:

[bettyellen]

73. actual news networks....

speak on it, keef.

[Muffstser]

74. Uh, jeepers...ya think his Fox News hatred is showing?

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[gkhouston]

75. is it hatred to speak the truth? n/t

[Patsy Stone]

80. Does everyone's Nanny look like that?

I'm just wondering what her qualifications were for the, eh-hem, position? :evilgrin:

[bleever]

107. I didn't really get Keef dissin' her looks.

And Sienna is pretty and all, but remember what Richard Pryor said about watching his daughter's friends hanging around the pool, looking so fine and luscious: "...but then, they would do this thing: they would open their mouths, and they would begin to talk."

[Patsy Stone]

108. I think part of it was

that there's no discernible difference between them. :)

[bleever]

111. Really? My whole take was the KO was saying, How can he cheat

on Sienna with someone who looks like THIS?

Maybe I'm way off-base. Feel free to alert the mods, if so.

:)

[Patsy Stone]

166. I'll do that. :)

I just read the transcript, and Musto was meaner about her looks than KO.

KO said, "Because if you're comparing this gal and Sienna Miller, you would be hard-pressed to explain it on looks, or as the jockeys say, making weight." I'm actually not sure what he meant, and maybe you're right, but I personally think they look quite similar.

I did like Musto's "She's the Devil" comment. And, this: "Look, he not only shagged the nanny, he shagged her on a pool table, thinking no one will notice. That's the first place people look."

:hi:

[Muffstser]

81. The Nanny Diary!

Holy crap, can you imagine KO reading a romance novel? This is HILARIOUS!!!

[gkhouston]

84. does anyone remember the Tales of Ribaldry skit on SNL?

think of KO doing that...

[Patsy Stone]

87. Ab-so-lute-ly

Jon Lovitz was hysterically funny. RIBALD! :)

[Patsy Stone]

82. She's a Chim-Chim-Cheroo Slag!

Nice one, Michael. :)

[Muffstser]

86. Keith's Mirror Quote!

That made my day. At least we know he won't be dating Angelina Jolie anytime soon.

[gkhouston]

88. and we cared about this because...

:shrug:

[Patsy Stone]

91. And for just one small second

it seemed he was seeking relationship advice from Michael Musto. Not that that's a bad thing, but, still a bit strange on national TV. :)

[gkhouston]

92. very odd

why ask Michael when he's got us? ;-)

[Gogi]

109. I would like to thank Michael Musto on behalf of all us

average looking broads! It had to be said after KO's immature comments, the nanny was'nt that bad looking.

MM:loveya:

KO:spank:

[gkhouston]

116. ah Gogi

he just said it to get a :spank: from you. ;-)

[Gogi]

142. Well, he most certainly did!

Ah, what the heck, he's just a guy.

[gkhouston]

147. LOL! "he's just a guy"

Let's be honest -- Sienna is prettier. But the Nanny wasn't a dog... just a slut. ;-)

'Course, we don't know anything about their personalities, or at least I don't. Could be that Sienna is a much less interesting person than the Nanny. Me, I think the Nanny was conveniently located when Jude felt horny, but I'm a cynic.

[Gogi]

152. Oh, I agree!

He should have kept his manhood in his pants and she should've said no.

[Berry Cool]

160. Gogi, he did NOT say the nanny was bad-looking!!

Sheesh!!!! All he was saying was, why bother with the nanny when your fiancee, whom you are ALLOWED to bonk, looks just as good?!? Sorry, but this misunderstanding of the Keefster was so great that I had to step in, even though the access is costing me a fortune. (BTW, LOOOOOOVED the new gray suit, silver tie--isn't he just a silver fox?--MJ puppets--I want a cricket puppet!!--and the Mirror Quote. That is all.)

[gkhouston]

117. I think it was stranger than that, and sadder

I didn't get the impression he was seeking advice from Musto. I got the impression he'd been hurt, quite badly, by someone who was an actress. Perhaps several someones. Given how many actresses and aspiring actresses live in NYC and LA, it wouldn't be surprising that he's dated a few.

[Muffstser]

155. That's EXACTLY what I thought.

That's why I thought it was an interesting comment, and an insight into his character. At least it shows he'd be open to dating someone not "in the business." I could be wrong...

[gkhouston]

157. well, in connection with his remarks about the comparative

attractiveness of Sienna vs. the Nanny, I thought, "Honey? That's what happens sometimes when you choose with your eyes."

[RevCheesehead]

93. because he's more likely to fall for one of us.

"because we don't act." :P

[gkhouston]

94. we act up

regularly.

Apparently that doesn't count.


:woohoo:


on edit: at least I assume we act up. If we don't, then what are all those spankings about? :freak:

[Patsy Stone]

99. Or Mary Carey. :) n/t

[bleever]

112. I would like to say something about Monica Novotny:

I wish she looked happier. I'm a little worried.

She's a great part of Countdown. I'd love to see her guest-host. Even when people nickname her "Gidget" here, it's out of affection.

Hang in there, Mon. You're one of our buds.




ed: dumb fifth grade punc. error. d'oh.

[gkhouston]

118. she does seem a bit strained-looking lately

and we haven't seen as much of her as I'd like. I really miss the News Quiz, partly because we got spontaneous Keith, but also because we got Monica. I wish they used her more.

[crispini]

113. Hi ladies, here for the rerun!

:hi: Been a lotta stuff going on around here lately, so I've been out a lot. Never thought when I bought a house I'd get so damn involved with ZONING issues. :eyes:

edited to add: I'm not sure about this suit. Hmmmm......

[gkhouston]

120. zoning. I've heard of that.

Houston still doesn't have any. :crazy:

[crispini]

125. Hahahahaha! That's right, you live in the un-zoning city.

I'm finding out that there is practically a cottage industry up here -- neighborhood activists vs. developers. Migod, it's hard work being a good citizen! :P

[gkhouston]

128. when we were doing the interview rounds before leaving DC

part of the trip was always to meet with a realtor and get a preliminary feel for the housing market. The realtors were always surprised that we asked about deed restrictions, until we explained we'd once lived in a city with no zoning, which tended to make the deed restrictions pretty important.

[crispini]

134. Our deed restrictions

have expired, so we're hard at work getting a conservation district. The city does NOT make this shit easy. :crazy:

[gkhouston]

136. why am I not surprised? n/t

[crispini]

119. Really enjoyed Roger Cressey's analysis.

good to hear our Muslim population is better integrated than in Europe. That was my gut instinct too but I could not substantiate it.

I'm still thinking about the suit....

[gkhouston]

121. I think it's better integrated but let's not get complacent

btw, Jon Stewart had a guest on tonight who voice the same opinion about Muslims being better integrated here, so I guess it's official. :-)

[crispini]

123. Well, my office has a "prayer office"

for the daily prayer, so that tends to make *me* think YES, but of course it's also a tech company, who knows....

[gkhouston]

126. well, they're certainly not ghetto-ized

and that's a good thing. I just wish more Americans understood that the Islamic fundamentalists aren't representative of Islam as a whole. And I also wish they saw the parallels between Islamic fundamentalism and Christian fundamentalism. Too many people seem to think that Islamic fundamentalists are terrorists and crazy and dangerous, while Christian fundies have heart. :grr:

[crispini]

138. Agree.

Wonder why they say that about Muslims in the UK vs. US? Hmm...

[gkhouston]

139. I think they *do* tend to live somewhat apart

and instead of doing all sorts of jobs throughout society, they run laundrettes or convenience stores; jobs with long hours and relatively low pay/status.

[crispini]

141. that would go a long way to explaining it....

the East Asian guys (and girls) at my office are all pretty well paid... (it's technology) ..... I honestly think that helps a lot, just in general... if you have stuff and are happy and settled and have something to look forward to look forward to then why blow yourself up?

[gkhouston]

145. conversely, when you don't have those things

then what difference does it make if you blow something up? None of it belongs to you, anyway, including the people. They're just your oppressors. (Real or imagined.) I think it's similar to the mindset of the kids who bring guns to school and shoot people -- when you don't belong to a society and feel persecuted by it, there's a chance that you're going to lash out and attack that society. When you feel like part of something, you're less likely to want to destroy it.

[crispini]

148. yep, exactly.

social cohesion and economic cohesion. I honestly don't have very much of a problem with people coming over and keeping their culture and not assimilating -- their kids tend to assimilate way more than mom & dad do. but if you combine that with crappy economic opportunity you have a recipie for a problem.

Ok, off to bed... :P :hi:

[gkhouston]

140. as to why they're so segregated

could this be a subtle (or unsubtle) discriminatory attitude left over from the colonial days? As for here, yeah we've got our share of discrimination against you-name-it, but there's so much variety in the US that the social forces against upward mobility might not be so stringent. It's easier to feel like "part" of a society if you or someone like you has a hope in hell of ever rising to the top of it.

[Gogi]

151. I know a lot of muslim doctors (male and female) so I'm not worried

about them feeling unaccepted. Problem is, these suicide bombers are drawn from the muslim middle class for the most part rather than from the muslim lower class. Look at Osama Bin Laden, et al.

[gkhouston]

159. yes, it's the layabouts who think the world owes them

something. Actually, I believe a lot of our homegrown troublemakers come from the rapidly-disappearing middle class as well. Too much of the lower class are too busy trying to scrape a living to bother with that shit. And, to be brutally honest, they're used to being crapped on, and don't have the same sense of entitlement.

[gkhouston]

122. I like the suit.

I might have gone one shade darker, but in general, it's a nice suit and a much better fit that his other gray suits.

[crispini]

124. ok, in that wide shot they did, yeah, I really like the suit.

It made his eyes look soooooooo blue... or is that different lighting? or his new glasses? or the camera angle? anyway it was verrrrry nice. :evilgrin:

[gkhouston]

129. gotta be the suit or the lighting

since his new glasses are practically invisible.

[crispini]

132. they're very distracting....

the new glasses, that is, I'm just looking at his eyes and not paying a damn bit of attention to what he's saying.

HEY! Joe Wilson tomorrow and I get to watch the show live! Yippee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gkhouston]

133. that's one of the things videotape is good for

you can watch something again and again until you actually hear what he's saying. :-)

[crispini]

144. Those new glasses..... GUH!

nighty night Gina! :hi:

[gkhouston]

149. night

I'd better turn in, too, or I'll be a vegetable tomorrow!

[crispini]

130. GAH! Harwood's tie!

Did he get it from Abrams? :banghead:

[gkhouston]

131. I pretty much said the same thing.

It is truly amazing how many fugly ties there are in the world. And how few of them are displayed on MSNBC.

[crispini]

135. LOL, don't you mean "how many"?

Dan Abrams alone gets the whole bar raised. :crazy:

[gkhouston]

137. yes, I should have said how many

I'm only a little punchy. :+

[crispini]

143. final notes

1) can't believe KO didn't think the nanny was cute? jeez! she isn't exactly a hag! :wtf:
2) Michael :loveya: Musto.
3) Jude Law ... YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN.
4) Chim chim cheroo slag! :rofl:
5) Ooooo. "Actresses act." Agree, ya'll, sounds like KO got burned by someone in the past.... verrrry interesting.
6) I don't like the new handoff. We don't get the cool closing video of the studio and bonus free KO. :(
7) Are they making Rachel Maddow wear more makeup? She looks a little overdone tonight.
8) WTF is AL SHARPTON doing on Bowtie Boy's show? :crazy:

[Gogi]

146. 8)

Taking Tucker's schtik with resigned patience.

[gkhouston]

150. I can't comment on Rachel's makeup

I didn't stick around for that long. KO looked a bit ruddy tonight, too -- perhaps it's not the usual makeup person?

Is Jude Law supposed to be hot? The man has does not start my engine.

[Berry Cool]

161. And once again she says...

HE DID NOT CRITICIZE HOW THE NANNY LOOKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HE WAS JUST SAYING THERE WAS NOT A DISCERNIBLE DIFFERENCE!!!!!!At least that's how I interpreted it. Sheesh, people...taking offense where there need be none...and then using the excuse "Oh well, he's a guy..." Personally, I hate that "Men are pigs" attitude in women. I thinkit's quite ugly. How many of you would like a man who thought all women were pigs and every time he heard something from one that he thought he didn't like, said "Oh well, she's just being a woman"? Sexist, isn't it? Well then, quit with the double standard already willya???? :-) (Smilie included so you still know I love you all, I'm just a bit irritated right now. Oh well, on I go...)

[gkhouston]

162. well, actually I wasn't offended by KO's remarks

but since you decided to go off in reponse to one of my posts, I got the transcript of the relevant remarks from last night's show. Here goes:

"OLBERMANN: Is there some allure to this idea of the nanny? Is there some childhood throwback psychobabble stuff? Because if you're comparing this gal and Sienna Miller, you would be hard-pressed to explain it on looks, or as the jockeys say, making weight.

MUSTO: Absolutely. But I think in most cases with their celebrities, when they're men, they'll sleep with anyone but the wife or fiancee, no matter what the wife or fiancee looks like. I think Jude Law would sleep with Josephine the plumber. It doesn't even have to be a nanny.

But in this case, OK, Daisy Wright may not be Sienna Miller, whatever her name is, in the looks department, but she's not Margaret Rutherford. You know, these are not your granny's nannies. The new generation of nannies aren't so bad. They trade in on the old-fashioned kind of allure of the sweet lady, but they're in the average looks department, so they're doable to Jude Law."


I have the same impression of this exchange that I did when I first heard it: KO thinks the actress is more attractive than the nanny, and is wondering what the incentive for infidelity was. That's clearly what Musto thought he meant, too, judging by Michael's response.

[crispini]

163. I wasn't offended either.

And I also agree w. your interpretation of the remarks, fwiw. :shrug:

[gkhouston]

164. actually, I'm not sure even Gogi was really that offended

I think she was just fishin' for an excuse to tan his tushie. ;-)

[crispini]

165. Well, in that department,

pretty much ANY excuse will do.

[Berry Cool]

167. Well, in THAT case, I certainly understand...

and it's well understood, any excuse really WILL do... :evilgrin:

Seriously, I thought the whole discussion was quite telling because I think what it revealed is that Keith is genuinely clueless about the attraction some people (male or female) feel for "forbidden fruit."

What happened here seems scarily obvious...Jude Law appears to be the kind of guy who can only REALLY be turned on by a woman he's NOT supposed to have...hence he cheats on his wife with Sienna, his wife leaves him, then he takes the next logical step which would seem to be planning to marry this woman who was so wonderful he had to break up his marriage for her. But nooooo...now that she's his fiancee, she's LEGITIMATE. He's SUPPOSED to boink her. Therefore, as B.B. King would say, "the thrill is gone." And all of a sudden the nanny is starting to look really good...

KO doesn't appear to get this. He seems to think attraction is subject to some sort of laws of common sense or something. Maybe it is, in his case. I mean, it's highly appealing to think that he just doesn't get why some men feel compelled to cheat on their relationship. He seems to think that, hey, if the forbidden woman is no more attractive than that woman you're already with, why cheat? (We won't even get into the whole issue of whether it makes sense to cheat if she IS more attractive.)

Ah, KO...your lack of comprehension for why some men behave so badly only endears you to us all the more. :loveya:

[gkhouston]

168. I don't know if he truly didn't "get it" or if he was just

playing dumb because your average American is going to think, "boy, that Sienna is hot! Why cheat on her?" Let's face it, how many of us thought Prince Charles needed to have his head examined for being so infatuated with Camilla when he had Diana, who was beautiful, inside and out? But Charles had a history and common interests with Camilla that he didn't have with Diana -- it was about more than the sex, although that's all the tabloids focused on.

[Berry Cool]

169. I'll agree with you about the Charles and Diana thing

although I still think Charles is a creep because then he should have married the damn woman back in '72 or whatever when they were both still single and free. No games. Then maybe she shouldn't have gone and married someone else just to spite him (which was dumb also), thus taking herself off the market and making him feel pressured into finding himself a pretty, gullible young virgin to be his broodmare, love her or not. I had a sense that marriage was doomed from the start. Everyone else was calling it a storybook wedding and I was saying "uh-uh." Sadly I turned out to be right.

But anyway, while it would make sense for KO to play dumb regarding this situation (put himself in the shoes of the viewer), it doesn't seem like something he often does, unless he's already got a point he's trying to make and the interviewee is largely serving as a way to bring it out.

I get the impression that in the case of Jude Law, his relationships ARE all about sex, so it would be logical to assume he'd pick the most attractive partner available...unless one of them was "better in bed" than the other, which I guess could be a factor. But something tells me that with this guy, there's no rocket science to it. He just wants what he's not supposed to have, finding it far more exciting than any legitimized relationship--even one that *used* to be forbidden.

And, oh yeah,, Musto had me wheezing with the "Josephine the Plumber" line.