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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:03 PM
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KOEB Meeting: 01/14/10 -- 72 Hours Later Edition
:hi:

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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:05 PM
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1. Hi Pats! I got laid off today, but hey, at least my city isn't laying
in ruins, so I'm not going to complain. I filed my unemployment claim today, and I have an interview on Tuesday. Plus I have two other leads on jobs, so I don't think my behind will be hanging in the wind for long!

As to Haiti, the footage and the stories just make me weep.

:hi:

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:07 PM
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2. Oh, no...
Edited on Thu Jan-14-10 08:07 PM by Patsy Stone
I'm so sorry to hear that. I know you liked that job. :hug:

Tell me, does El Rushbo plan to deride W for helping out in Haiti? After all, the whole aid thing is just to make Obama look better, right? :eyes:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:08 PM
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3. Rush can stuff it! I didn't think he could get any uglier, but I
guess I was wrong. He's inhuman!

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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:13 PM
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8. Oh, Poop.
That just sucks. :hug:

I admire your spirit, Girl. :loveya:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:15 PM
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11. Rev!
Well, my bad is bad at the moment, but Haiti's bad is exponentially worse. A little perspective can go a long ways.

:loveya:

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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:22 PM
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25. You are a wonderfully wise woman with a big heart.
I hope and pray that you are showered with blessings! :hug:
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RavensChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:24 PM
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28. Amen to that!
Hi, Rev! I read your PM! I pray all is well with your dad. I have him in prayer also.

:hi:

:hug: :hug:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:25 PM
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32. Thanks so much, sweetie!
And I'll be cheering for anyone wearing purple this weekend! :woohoo:

:hug:
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RavensChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:27 PM
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38. Thanks!
I've been getting a lot of that in the last few days (except for my cousin, he's rooting for the Colts).
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:25 PM
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31. And you, my dear friend, are a salve to my soul.
:hug:

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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:26 PM
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35. ain't we poetic tonight?
Speaking of,... where's Botany? :rofl:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:27 PM
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36. I think his car stalled as he was leaving Gull Bay!
:rofl:

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:17 PM
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14. Rev!
How lovely to see you. How did it all go? I hope your Dad's adjusting easily. :hug:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:21 PM
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22. Wonderfully well!
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:20 PM
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19. Hi, everyone, and SG, I'm sorry.
:hi: Really, I always am, even for those who have a rather optimistic prospect for the future.

I can only watch so much of Haiti. It's just so awful.

As for Rush Limbaugh, he's gone around the bend this time. How anyone can justify that waste of protoplasm anymore is beyond me.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:22 PM
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24. Hi Berry!
Yeah, I was surprised this morning when it happened, but there's nothing I can do to change it. At least I DO have prospects, and I know many, many people don't.

And Limbaugh? :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

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RavensChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:26 PM
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33. All I can say about limpballs is this:
SFTU!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let something happen to him and see how he reacts!!

:grr:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:28 PM
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39. I still think God should have taken him out last week while he had the chance.
Then again, maybe God gave him one more chance to change his life, and he returned as an even worse piece of shit.
Next time, Rush - it's for keeps, and you'll be answering for your words and actions.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:31 PM
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43. Amen, sister!
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RavensChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:31 PM
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45. Ouch.
Well, if he keeps yapping the way he is...

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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:25 PM
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30. Hi SeattleGirl!!!! Oh dear! I hope you find a new job soon!
:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo: :hug:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:26 PM
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34. Hi ralps!
I have a feeling I will.

:hi:

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:09 PM
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4. Every time I see Kerry Sanders
I can't help but remember him laying on the floor of his mobile broadcast van, inches from the cameraman who was also on the floor, broadcasting from under a bridge during Hurricane Andrew.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:11 PM
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6. Oh, I remember that!
That was some interesting footage.

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RavensChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:11 PM
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5. Evening, all!
Happy New Year (sorry I'm late but I've been real busy since the 1st)!

Just seeing the coverage of all of this is so sad! I've been in prayer for them since it happened.

:hi:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:12 PM
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7. Hi RC!
Hearing about the jacked up prices for water and gas there just pisses me off. Goddamned vultures thinking, "Oooooh, people are desparate! I bet I can make a pretty buck off that!"

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RavensChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:19 PM
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16. Hi, SG!
I know what you mean! Sickening!

I read upthread you got laid off?! I'm so sorry, hon! I pray you find something soon!

:hug:

:hi:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:20 PM
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18. Thanks, RC!
Vulturism is unfortunately alive and thriving.

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:14 PM
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9. Happy New Year to you, too!
The whole thing is so desperate and horrible.

:hi:
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RavensChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:22 PM
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23. Hi, Pats!
It truly is horrible, but I give President Obama credit for responding in record time, unlike bushie when Katrina hit.

:hi:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:42 PM
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59. Indeed.
Here's hoping that the Ravens and the Vikings win it all and meet here in Miami. Then you and Rev would have to come down here. :)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:43 PM
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63. AWE-some!!!
I'll be there! :bounce::bounce:
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RavensChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:46 PM
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66. That would be awesome!!
I'll be more than glad to phone it in and hop on the train!!!!

:headbang:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:47 PM
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69. Hell, I'd be happy enough to sit on Patsy's couch and eat popcorn!
:popcorn:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:49 PM
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72. My couch is your couch.
You two will have to fight the cats, though, who are sure it's theirs.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:51 PM
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75. There be cats, too?
:party: :popcorn: :toast: :popcorn: :party:

Could this event get any better? :)
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:57 PM
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85. Molly and Jake
Edited on Thu Jan-14-10 08:57 PM by Patsy Stone
(aka Meep and Whirrr) would love to have you share their couch.
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RavensChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:50 PM
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74. There ya go!!
We can order buffalo wings and pizza and have a great time!!!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:52 PM
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79. Dayum!
Now I'm hungry! :9
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:56 PM
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84. If you guys get here.
It's on me.

That sounds really good to me right now.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:24 PM
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29. Hi, RC!
:hi:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:15 PM
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10. Evening all!
Did you know that AT&T so far is not waiving messaging rates for those donating to the Red Cross, unlike Verizon & T Mobile? :grr:

:hi:

dg
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:15 PM
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12. That stinks
Surely, they can afford it. A-holes.

:hi:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:18 PM
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15. No shit, I even started an FB group
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=283522931082&ref=mf

You can't email them unless you have a wireless account either. :grr: Fuckwads.

dg
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:29 PM
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40. Good for you!
I'm going to log on later (it's been, like, months!) and I'll join. I have my internet service and home service through them. I wonder if that will allow me to e-mail them?
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:32 PM
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47. I emailed them through my home account
and I do have a choice....maybe I should switch over to Time warner & Road Runner for internet & phone.....

dg
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:46 PM
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I'm watching your crazy Gubernatorial debate.
Who's this other chick?
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:51 PM
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76. Teabagger named Medina nt
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:54 PM
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82. She says she's going to
Edited on Thu Jan-14-10 08:54 PM by Patsy Stone
"lead us along the path less travelled". :eyes:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:57 PM
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86. She wants the military to secure the border
& more secure gun rights & the end of EMTALA, which provides incentives for illegals to swamp our ERs. :eyes:

dg
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:58 PM
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That's exactly what she said next.
:crazy:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:16 PM
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13. Hi Wolvie!
More vultures. And most of the credit card companies are not waiving their transaction fees for people who donate using their cards. Today I heard that only Capital One is waiving their fees.

:hi:

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RavensChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:29 PM
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41. Wolvie!!!
Happy New Year to ya!!!!

Knowing those fucks, why am I not surprised? Anything to make a quick buck off of people's misery.

:hi:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:33 PM
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49. hey RC!!
:hi:

Spread the word! Get your friends & neighbors to harass AT&T. Shame the mo fos!

dg
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:37 PM
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51. Hell, my carrier isn't even participating in the donation!
Edited on Thu Jan-14-10 08:37 PM by RevCheesehead
It's an upper-WI little carrier, but still... :grr:

:hi:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:40 PM
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55. Now THAT sucks!!
:grr:

:hi: :loveya:

dg
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RavensChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:44 PM
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64. Mine either, but it's all good.
I'm gonna contribute through the Combined Federal Campaign anyway.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:46 PM
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67. I'll probably donate through my church's main program..
United Methodist Committee on Relief (UMCOR), where 100% of the donation goes directly to relief effort. They work through Church World Service (CWS).
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:20 PM
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17. I come bearing good news!
Today when I saw my dad, he was sitting up in his chair, watching TV, and he waved at me when I walked in. He is alert, and very much aware of what's going on around him. This is the absolute best I have seen him since before Thanksgiving!
I think that moving back to the main building has helped a lot... the room is very similar to his old apartment, and he is adjusting very well!

He did fall out of bed last night, but that's probably because they forgot to "pillow" him in. :eyes:

I can't tell you how relieved I feel! :)

:hi:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:20 PM
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20. Excellent, excellent news!
:)
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:21 PM
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21. That's wonderful, Rev!
:hug:

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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:23 PM
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26. I'm so glad, Rev!
Sounds like all is going well. That is great.

I would like to talk to you soon about an idea I had, so if you're free soon, let me know.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:31 PM
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42. Tonight, after the show?
I'll be here! :)
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:34 PM
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50. Great! Will do.
Always a pleasure to talk to you, friend.
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:27 PM
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37. Hi RevCheesehead, Crook & I are doing good & Hi to Oreo, & lil' Keith! Hugs to you all!
& That's great to read! :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo: :hug:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:32 PM
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46. Hi ralps and Crook!
Hope all is going well for you guys, too! :hug:
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RavensChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:38 PM
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54. That's wonderful!
I know it's hard seeing him in a place like that but in time it'll be all right.

I had an aunt in a nursing home for a while before she passed, and every time I got a call I got very nervous, and they always assured me she was okay. She fell out of bed too so believe me when I heard she was okay I was relieved too.
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:24 PM
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27. Hi Patsy! Hi Everyone!
:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:31 PM
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44. Evenin', ma'am!
:hi: to you and meow to da kitteh!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:33 PM
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48. Am I the only one whose 'puter can't keep up?
It's so s-l-o-w!!
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:37 PM
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53. The series of tubes
are a little slow for me tonight, too.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #53
58. You know, it used to work so much better
before Ted Stevens changed the innerds.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:43 PM
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61. All of his staff's e-mails
are still sitting in there like a GI blockage.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #61
73. LOL!
:rofl:
I was thinking that Ted himself was the prime "un-mover."
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:37 PM
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52. Okay, now I'm praying the aid gets distributed quickly &
that everyone remains calm. My God, bulldozers to move corpses & using bodies to build barricades. My heart is breaking.

dg
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RavensChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:40 PM
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56. Sad.
Very sad. I can only hope it doesn't get any worse than what it already is.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:42 PM
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57. It is horrible.
Edited on Thu Jan-14-10 08:42 PM by Berry Cool
I have wondered whether, although it isn't being talked about, people are--God, I hate to say it, but it's probably occurred to others already--using the bodies for other purposes. Or will, if something doesn't happen soon.

Body tissues, for one thing, contain water.

There is no telling what desperate people will do just to stay alive.
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GigiMommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:42 PM
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60. Hello everyone!!!
:hi: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: My heart aches for the people of Haiti and their families all over the world.:hug:
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:43 PM
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62. Hi, GGM.
:hi: Amen. :hug:
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GigiMommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:46 PM
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68. Hi Berry!!!
:hi:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:44 PM
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65. Hi Gigi and Miss Cassie!
:hi: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

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GigiMommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:49 PM
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71. Hi SG!!!
:hi: I so sorry to hear about your job. Here's wishing you a bigger, better job ahead. :hug:
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:51 PM
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77. Yes--I wish new and better jobs to all who need them,
myself included.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:53 PM
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80. I second that!
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 09:01 PM
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89. Amen!
Have I said hi? I don't think so. :hi:
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RavensChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:49 PM
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70. Hi, Gigi!
Mine does too, believe it.

How are you and Cassie doing?
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GigiMommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:56 PM
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83. Hi RC!!!
:hi: Happy New Year. We're doing OK. Cassie keeps busy (which helps). I'm busy dealing with bills, BCBS and Bank of America. Every once in a while I'll stop and reminisce. Hope you're doing well. Go Ravens.:hug:
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RavensChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 09:02 PM
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91. Good to hear it.
I know it's hard but just take it one day at a time. That's what I had to do so always cherish the good times. It'll get better down the road.

:hug: :hug: :hug:

Thanks for the well wishes for the Ravens. I just love the playoffs!!!!
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:51 PM
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78. Absolutely
I met three people today who couldn't get in touch with their families over there. I don't even know what to say.

:hi:
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GigiMommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:58 PM
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87. Hi Patsy!!!
:hi: Oh my. I can't even imagine.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:54 PM
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81. Hi Gigi and Cassie!
:hug::hug: :bounce::bounce:

:hi: I'm glad you're with us tonight!
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GigiMommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 08:59 PM
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88. Hi Rev!!!
:hi: I'm glad you're here too. I'm so glad to hear the news about your Dad.:hug:
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 09:01 PM
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90. Keith was having a very tough time getting through the show tonight
and I can't blame him. :cry:
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