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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 08:04 PM
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Holocaust memorial eve Wednesday
The State of Israel will pause in memory of the six million Jews who perished in the Holocaust as the country marks Holocaust Remembrance Day starting on Wednesday night.

The annual state ceremony – which this year will mark 60 years since the end of World War II – will begin at 8 p.m. at Jerusalem's Yad Vashem Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Authority.

The solemn hour-long opening event, which will be broadcast live on Israeli television channels and radio, will be attended by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and President Moshe Katsav, as well as scores of dignitaries and ambassadors from around the world.

The central theme of this year's ceremony, coming six decades after the survivors of the darkest chapter in the 20th century were liberated from the Nazis, will be "The Anguish of Liberation and the Return to Life."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1115086698746

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Never Again

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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 12:38 PM
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1. Sad day
It is a sad day all around. 60 years and what lessons have been learned? Mass murders take place the world over, not to the extent of the Holocaust. Soon all the survivors will be lost to us forever, and that will be a very sad day indeed! :(
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 02:55 PM
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2. A sadder day - the Holocaust Remembrance thread on DU.
I cannot believe this.

A dark day, made darker.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 03:06 PM
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3. That was just awful
It's pathetic the level of hate that comes out. They couldn't even let a thread to mourn a tragedy exist.

Tucker
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 03:20 PM
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4. 44/124 or 37%
The number of posts deleted. Granted, some of them were not anything overly bad, but how sad that on this day a thread about it had to be locked. :cry:
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 04:25 PM
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5. This isn't the first thread concerning Jewish people, that
has been locked. There was one yesterday that got so skanky it was unreal.

The "Jewish Conspiracy Theory" is alive and well.

I am very, very worried. And getting real sick of this. There are people out here who are in tears today, having read that Holocaust thread. It's bringing things back.

Also, there are posters on I/P who absolutely go out of their way to point us, and/or Israel, as some sort of unfeeling Nazis. I don't think even the most rightwing settler is THAT bad. Well, so those guys get my goat also - but they're not mentioning "rightwing so & so's" - they're saying ALL of us, and all of Israel. Like Massad, the Columbia professor - I think people are getting their "facts" off of websites that are actually spouting lies and hate. Some of those quotes today - I think some were actually debunked as fabrications, others for sure where totally out of context so the meaning was completely distorted.

One guy actually dropped the term "Hitler's Lebensraum" into a thread about the wall on I/P, and I've heard the terms "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" in regard to Gaza, etc., so often I want to barf.

I think it SUCKS.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 06:21 PM
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6. I have my theories as to why some on the left (such that a
left exists in the US) have a hard time with perceiving Jews as victims and it centers around the success Jews, as an ethnic and religious group, have had in the US. Traditionally the "left" has framed its politics around issues of class: who owns and produces what and who does the work of producing that which is owned by others.

Jews, as a group, are phenomenally successful in the US. Many on the left find it difficult to see wealthy people as victims because wealthy people in the US can usually buy their way out of almost every situation. Jews have also been phenomenally successful at being accepted as white, at least by all except the extreme right-wing. There is an excellent book called, How Jews Became White Folks and What That Says About Race in America (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/081352590X/102-8453569-1605765?v=glance) that is well worth a read.

The Jewish community of today is several generations removed from their union organizing socialist forebears. As the shtetl and tenement memory fades so too, it appears, does the traditional Jewish committment to socio-economic justice (as is witnessed by the increasing number of Jewish Republicans).

Maybe I'm blowing smoke but that's just my theory.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:20 PM
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8. I;m totally confused here.....what 124 posts??
whats going on??

I see 7 posts.

Did i miss something....obviously?
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:37 PM
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9. I just saw it.....
must have been quite a hate fest.

I dont know whether to be happy or sad i missed that.
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 07:35 AM
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10. Hi BTA
Just wanted to tell you that it also has been a rememberance day in Scandinavia. Very decent and appropriate, at least here in Norw.
I've watched many TV-progs during the last weeks leading up to this, so the message is strong.

Sad thing about your thread, it had deserved better. You did very well in your postings, though :-) Kudos!
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 11:17 PM
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11. Hallo mogster.
Tusen tak for the update and the compliment. Sad thing is I heard more about programs around the world, but nothing in the States! There wasn't even anything on the local news (although, I am NOT surprised)! Hyggelig å treffe deg!

I don't speak Norwegian, I looked it up! :)
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 08:48 AM
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12. Yay!
That's a good one :D

And thanks! Nice to meet you too :)
Wish I had been a little earlier on that thread, to be honest.

Have a nice Saturday now!
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:08 PM
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7. It is time - no, long past time - that humanity acted on that slogan...
Edited on Thu May-05-05 08:09 PM by Darranar
and created a world where there will truly be no more Holocausts.

We must act so that there must never again be a genocide against the Jews - but also so that there will never be another Rwanda, never be another Darfur, never be another Congo. Far too many people have died already.

We are all bystanders. Far too many of us, myself included, sit and talk while people are dying, while grave injustices are being committed, and fail on a very basic human level to empathize enough with the victims to act for their sake. We argue over effectively minor matters, minutiae, and ignore the greater issues and problems facing our world.

For stupid political reasons we ignore truth, coloring our minds so that the world is black and white, good and evil. Genocide becomes the enforcement of law and order. Terrorism becomes a force for liberation. Mass murder becomes justified, or at least we begin to rationalize it, excuse it, and turn our attention to other matters.

And there are other problems, other cases of mass death, that we find it convenient to ignore. How many of us act - seriously - to remedy the ongoing slaughter by starvation in Africa, not merely in Darfur, not merely in the Congo, not merely in war-ravaged regions, but in peaceful areas too, simply because people are too poor to feed themselves?

How many of us seriously consider the levels of infant mortality in much of the world, and understand the thousands of children whose lives are eliminated shortly after birth because our government and our people, and so many others, simply don't care enough? How many of us DO really care, and DO actively try to aid?

We have the technology, we have the ability, to transform this world enough that there will never again be another Holocaust, never be another genocide, never be another war, or another incident of mass murder, period - so that the prophecy of Isaiah will come true and no nation shall lift up a sword - or a gun, or a tank, or a jet fighter - against any other. And we have the power to not only do that, but to eradicate poverty, eradicate starvation, eradicate severe inequality.

But we don't. We fail. We fall short. Or we simply don't care enough.

And we - the collective unit of humanity - have no one to blame but ourselves.

Never again! The cry is shouted every Yom Ha'Shoah ve'Ha'Gevurah, but all too swiftly we forget about it, ignore it, return to our selfish and arrogant outlooks on life and the world.

And so the Shoah - the horrific atrocity against the Jews and others that ended sixty years ago - still continues.

And the Gevurah - we need that courage. We need the courage of those who resisted, outright and blatantly like the participants in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, quietly but determinedly like the thousands of Gentiles who helped Jews escape the Nazis, like the millions of Jews and others who struggled to survive to ensure that the Nazis would not win, that the peoples the Nazis strove to destroy would not be destroyed, and would never be destroyed, that the beauty and diversity they helped bring to the earth would never be extinguished.

We need the courage of those who strove against injustice, against great evil, so that we too may do so, and finally eradicate it from the world.

It is time - past time.

Never again.
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