Extrapolation of Obama's divisiveness on future events *WARNING*

[ClericJohnPreston]

Hello Everyone. Though I need no introduction, I am ClericJohnPreston, Edwards supporter to the end. Still, if Edwards cannot be a part of the race, then I am perfectly content to root for Hillary, the THINKING PERSON'S choice.

From the outset, I have always been Anti-Obama, ALWAYS. The reasons for this are myriad. These include the following:

1. Obama's "bi-partisanship": His politically correct phrasing for the more appropriately named "REPUBLICAN-FRIENDLY" belief system. In an era where this Democracy has been savaged by the scourge of CONSERVOSCUM, the last thing in the world we need is a red carpet entry into a Democratic Cabinet by Repub scum. Whatever happened to the minds of people who detest Republicans, once they embrace Obama. Suddenly, fellow Democrats are your enemy, but, Republicans are your friend.

*WARNING #1*

2. Obama's continued "errors of Judgment": This is a fetid field of detonated mines and mines not yet discovered. From the known of Donnie McClurkin, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Tony Rezko, and many more lesser associations, Obama has always done what is politically expedient, following the Republican way, act badly, apologize after the fact.

*WARNING #2*

3. Obama's CORPORATISM: Well established links and ties to the Health industry and insurance carriers. Willing to write off the rights of ordinary citizens to Class Actions, as Republican as you can get.

*WARNING #3*

Now, we get to the kicker:

4.Oama's effect on his kool-aid drinking crowd: This is where the rubber meets the road for me. I have always prided myself on my critical-thinking skills. I try to be a futurist, see beyond what is in place now, to see where we are headed.

From the beginning, I noted the absurdly high neophyte level of Obama's followers. Simply, Kids and the adults who were the depressives in the crowd. What these two have in common is their uncommonly high level of MALLEABILITY. These easily molded minds, one out of lack of experience, the other looking for anything to relieve their depression, have been the target voters of the Obama campaign.

Obama has run as dirty a campaign as can be had, all the while sitting above the fray. This "innocence" is easily seen for the illusion it is, EXCEPT by his rabid supporters.

How toxic and potent is the swill from the Obama fountain? Strong enough that the minds which embrace it become a part of a "movement" which is all about indoctrination, conformity of speech and message, threats to reinforce the ideology, adoration, not respect, for the master, and willing to bring down their own house if they can't get what they want.

Thus, you have the paradox of Obamites asking for Hillary to quit, ignoring Obama's "Republicanism", and willing to do anything to quiet the voices in their head or on this board who don't tow the Obama line.

This is a phenomena worth investigating, the absolute FRENZY and FURY which Obama seems to create within his fervant sheeple, while all the while being the "Peace Candidate". How can this be, this paradox between traits and behaviors and the message? Ahhh, here is my take.

Obama has a message, that isn't really a mesage, unless you are a sucker for Hallmark Postcards. Empty, lightweight rhetoric, delivered with stentorian earnestness, combines to make easy zealots of the weak. Unfortunately, it is unsustainable, as it is all sacchirin sweetness, all form, but no substance. The "gap" or emptiness of this speech to real policy, is where our rational minds are incredulous at the shallow credibility, while we watch others flock to the madness. The zealotry of the supporter is in a direct line to their own emptiness. The Obamites merely project their dreams on the purposely blank screen crafted by Obama. In the end, the only losers are the Party itself, self-destructing on a certainty of unelectability.

Now, apply the phenomena of Obama's divisiveness to our culture and you will see my final outcome. If I am right, and I hope to God I'm not, the class wars which have been brewing under the surface for the last 8 years under the Corporatist Bushco regime, will need only a spark to ignite. If Obama were to lose the GE, which I find probable, then his supporters, never too keen on logic to begin with, will have their sudden deflation and cognitive dissonance hit them like a brick wall. Rather than deal with the Truth, it will be simpler to believe the Election was stolen. When that happens, with this crowd, all heck breaks loose. Let the class wars begin.

Can it happen? Judging by this site, absolutely. Who would have forecast the very UNDEMOCRATIC hold one group can exercise at a site called DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND. Actually, I did, in my first week here. Now it is a reality. I only hope HRC can win this thing, for the alternative, no matter how you slice it, turns out badly.

[saracat]

1. Brilliant post as always CJP.I am so happy to have you join us!

[Two Americas]

2. it's a convention

My favorite Edwards supporters are all here.

Thanks to all you Clinton supporters for letting us speak our minds here about this very disturbing Obama phenomenon we are watching. It is much appreciated.

:grouphug:

[UALRBSofL]

3. Waves to CJP

:hi: Welcome to the Hillary Clinton site. :)

[ClericJohnPreston]

4. I'm home....

Hello everbody! Shout out to my friends, "Two Americas" and "saracat". You already have the best of the Edwards Camp here, with these two. :hi:

[judaspriestess]

5. I'm glad you could join us

I had not seen you in a while and I was wondering if you were able to post in here.

Welcome

[UALRBSofL]

6. Can someone tell me how they have a permanent image

When they post. I see people with Clinton, Edwards, and, Obama images but I can't figure out how to do it. Any suggestions. :)

[Two Americas]

8. images

I think what people are doing is putting an image in their signature - typing the url of the image file they want into their signature in "options."

[SaveOurDemocracy]

9. I haven't tried it yet, so I'm guessing ...

Click 'Options' (top of page)
Click 'Edit my Profile'
Scroll down to 'Signature' area of profile and enter picture url


If you already tried that ... someone else will be able to help us both. :hi:

[kerstin]

7. This is a devastating analysis. Thank you for posting it.

I have more to say, but this will have to suffice for now: :applause:

I'm so glad to see you over here, CJP. I've much admired your posts over on the Edwards forum. (I'd planned to vote for Edwards and had even contributed to his campaign, and migrated to Clinton only after JE was strong-armed out of the race.)

Again: :applause:

[UALRBSofL]

12. Ahhh ok, I just tried it and it worked

Thanks folks. Yall are good folk. :)

[Two Americas]

21. one glitch

You don't need the "img" tags, apparently, and they are visible now.

[maddiejoan]

10. We are on the same page here, CJP

I went from Kucinich to Clinton --Edwards being a close third in that equation.

Obama has always been the candidate I LEAST wanted to see emerge, I saw this coming back in 2004 after his keynote speech --the first sparks of his messiah-hood a'borning.

[UALRBSofL]

13. Waves to Maddie

How are you this afternoon?:hi:

I put a new image on my options. :)

[maddiejoan]

18. Doin' great!

:hi:


What's Exelon? Does it get rid of Obamoids?

[UALRBSofL]

25. It's a new medicine my neurologist put me on today

It's used for Alzheimer's. I'm using it because I have brain fog. Most of the time when I'm trying to concentrate and speak to someone I can't think of what I'm trying to say when it comes to critical thinking. Everyday speaking isn't too bad. You know like brainless conversation. I got West Nile Virus almost 2 years ago, one of the illness' was encephalitis, in addition to a lot of other problems. Ever since then I've had problems with brain fog but it seems to have gotten worse. So I put the image on my posts to remind myself of the bigger picture. To be thankful I'm still alive and to ignore nasty posts by people on DU because it really isn't important when you compare these little things to your medical well being. :)

[maddiejoan]

28. Happy you found something that helps!

[ClericJohnPreston]

14. I'm a big fan Maddie

glad to be over here. :)

[maddiejoan]

17. Big fan of you

one of the most intelligent posters from the Mike Malloy board --back in the day ;)

[SaveOurDemocracy]

11. I agree, there's nothing rational about the O-crowd.

Many seem to be hysterics and fly into a rabid frenzy at the slightest provocation. If/when their fantasy world comes crashing down they will blame everyone and everything except their very flawed candidate.

[ClericJohnPreston]

15. Therein lies the danger

to the future, if, and probably when, a candidate Obama were to lose the GE.( lets all pray that nominee Obama doesn't happen )His band of hysterical hyenas would need to vent their rage somewhere. They already remind me of a mob. Their dementia is legion.

Still, if HRC were to be the nominee, I still see the madness being unleashed, long before they would support Hillary. That is where we are different again from the maddening crowd. The Obamites are an all or nothing CULT, and utilize cult thinking. Just think Hale-Bopp comet people, and other Armageddon type groups. The Obamites are teetering on the brink of sanity's edge now, it will not take much to throw them overboard.

By the way, there are already at least three I would label "certifiable" right now.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

23. You're being generous ...

"By the way, there are already at least three I would label "certifiable" right now."


LOLLLLLL

[vireo]

16. They already are claiming fraud

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5220014&mesg_id=5220014
:tinfoilhat:

[Hatchling]

19. Excellent analysis.

I've heard both sides say they won't vote for the other. Sometimes, in anger I have said it myself. But I have never heard HRC supporters threaten violence if we don't win. This election seems to be putting civil rights back several decades. And from my perception, it is the Obama campaign that has raised this spector.

[Two Americas]

24. the voting thing

I have been voting lesser of two evils whatever for 40 years and will again. Who cares?

The "will you vote for the nominee" loyalty tests are all phony and manipulative. What people REALLY mean is "STFU and do not express your opinions."

If people want to vent and say they won't vote for the nominee, I say let them. Don't we have a secret ballot? If people were able to express criticism of Democrats without being bashed to within an inch of their lives, they wouldn't have to resort to saying they won't support the nominee to make their point and be heard.

What does "support" mean anyway? "I support Obama." What does that mean? I bash other Democrats and use my candidate as an excuse for doing that? To me "support" means getting other people - and I always shoot for 100 converts that I will be personally responsible for - to vote against the right wingers. I find that I am MORE successful at doing that - and imagine if every DUer committed to personally converting one on one 100 Republicans to vote against the Republicans - when I am NOT rah rah true blue Democratic party and am willing to see and talk about their faults. "Sure the Dems suck. I agree with you. Now let's look at the Republicans." That works. "Works" is good, yes? Isn't "works" what we are shooting for? Or are we more interested in being "right" in a self-centered and self-righteous way?

How many of these zealots demanding loyalty tests actually do anything other than cheer lead and bash people? They act like there little personal decision about how they are going to cast their one little vote is the beginning and end of politics. In tell them to get out into the blue collar neighborhoods, get out into the poor neighborhoods, get out into the minority neighborhoods. Get to work. Nobody cares which candidate w=you are personally madly in love with.

[BenDavid]

20. You speak the truth. Thank you!

[Lilith Velkor]

22. As a depressive, I dispute your characterization

If I could turn off my mind and follow the crowd, my life would be a hell of a lot easier. I've been proselytized so often and so heavily, I now bristle automatically when I detect a windup to a sales pitch.

I see the same things coming that you do. If I didn't, I would be less depressed.

[Two Americas]

26. great point

Depression is the rational and sane response to much of what is going on. You look, and don't flinch. You look it in the face. That takes courage and integrity. Many others to whom CJP is referring, by way of contrast, are using the campaign as their Prozac - a contrived and dangerous escape and a way to deny and avoid and bury the truth to escape emotional discomfort.

[ClericJohnPreston]

29. Thank you Two Americas

for clarifying my point.

I was just giving the headlines style categorizations. Of course, there will always be exceptions to the rule.

Lilith, I meant no disrespect. The fact that you are holding on to the harder course, supporting a candidate for clear and rational reasons, as opposed to a panacea for all the world's ills, proves what I said about HRC being for the THINKING PERSON.

Obamites are almost feral and non-thinking in their support. It is as blind as lemmings, and they would happily go off the cliff. Unfortunately, their type drags down the good people as well, into their abyss.

[Lilith Velkor]

33. I don't even like HRC

I just think she can win, because a lot of older women - even the Republicans - want to vote for her, and women over 50 are the largest, most reliable voting bloc in the country.

To be honest, my main reason for supporting her is not very rational: I want to see all the right wing pundits and their followers scream themselves into strokes and coronaries. I want THEM to live in constant terror of what will happen if they step out of line. I know a lot of the so-called left has the same attitude and would have the same reaction, but fuck 'em. They shouldn't have bought the hype from the same media that pushed first Bush, and then his fucking war.

Nominating Mr. Reachacrosstheaisle will only encourage these fucks. The Bipartisan Ship has sailed - time to (wo)man the harpoons.

[anamnua]

27. Well said

In fact the more I experience of it the more I am reminded of the Colonel Kurtz character and his followers in Apocalypse Now.

[ClericJohnPreston]

30. Yes

Obamites are all that ...and more! They are blind lemmings poised to go over the cliff. One particularly vile poster has outright proven my point about the cult, as she supports Obama as a SAVIOR and has used words even stronger than "ADORATION".

This isn't political support. It is pure, unadulterated idol worship and veneration....of a man with no experience, who uses Hallmark sentiments. He inspires HATE, not love.

That is one false idol.....

[susankh4]

31. You are right.... Sorry.

"Now, apply the phenomena of Obama's divisiveness to our culture and you will see my final outcome. If I am right, and I hope to God I'm not, the class wars which have been brewing under the surface for the last 8 years under the Corporatist Bushco regime, will need only a spark to ignite. If Obama were to lose the GE, which I find probable, then his supporters, never too keen on logic to begin with, will have their sudden deflation and cognitive dissonance hit them like a brick wall. Rather than deal with the Truth, it will be simpler to believe the Election was stolen. When that happens, with this crowd, all heck breaks loose. Let the class wars begin."

This assessment is chilling. And I have shared similar speculations with my close family and friends. I remember well the race riots of the 60s. And I fear we are in for a repeat. My grandma actually died in 1968, at the age of 64, because we were under curfew and we could not get an ambulance for her. I was ten years old. But that night is etched indelibly in my mind....

I am no longer really sure I want Hillary to have the nomination either. I fear for her safety. Our party has opened a real can of worms with this primary season. But, you can't say they didn't warn us. I mean... how many veiled references to JFK/LBJ/MLK does one need to get the picture?

[judaspriestess]

32. I hate to bring up the Asia Times article again

but here are some points the article made that add to your reasons:

"There is nothing mysterious about Obama's methods. "A demagogue tries to sound as stupid as his audience so that they will think they are as clever as he is," wrote Karl Krauss. "

"This reversal has provoked a national mood of existential crisis. In Europe, economic downturns do not inspire this kind of soul-searching, for richer are poorer, remain what they always have been. But Americans are what they make of themselves, and the slim makings of 2008 shake their sense of identity. Americans have no institutionalized culture to fall back on. Their national religion has consisted of waves of enthusiasm - "Great Awakenings" – every second generation or so, followed by an interim of apathy. In times of stress they have a baleful susceptibility to hucksters and conmen.

Be afraid - be very afraid. America is at a low point in its fortunes, and feeling sorry for itself. When Barack utters the word "hope", they instead hear, "handout". A cynic might translate the national motto, E pluribus unum, as "something for nothing". Now that the stock market and the housing market have failed to give Americans something for nothing, they want something for nothing from the government. The trouble is that he who gets something for nothing will earn every penny of it, twice over. "


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa02.html

When I read this article this is the point that stood out more than any other.

[ClericJohnPreston]

34. Yes, there is nothing mysterious at all

for everyone here can see the manipulations of the man behind the curtain. However, susceptible Obamites, cannot.

The lure of Obama is that like an expert Con Man, he promises something for nothing. There is no work that has to be done, no selflessness involved, no contributions to the poor, no volunteer work for the disenfranchised, no insight even into the world of racism; simply, being an Obamite is the Christian equivalent of accepting Jesus as your Lord and savior. Once done, you have earned "Obama Heaven", without ever lifting your finger.

Because it is the lazy man's out, it has all the appeal to Generation "X" slackers, who now think they are doing something, when in fact, they are doing , nothing.

Moreover, by supporting Obama, white people who have never been racially sensitive , EVER, can convince themselves what great people they are by supporting Obama. In a way, as Two Americas has argued, this is actually "tokenism", a sick and twisted reverse tokenism, but tokenism, nonetheless. I can assure you, these converts to racial sensitivity have never taken part in hands on work to improve race relations.

So, in a nutshell, (pun intended) Obamites have the best deal in town...clear your conscience, find Nirvana, cure all your ills; all you have to do is swear allegiance to their deity.

That is too high a price on my self-respect and dignity.

[shimmergal]

39. Very interesting article!

It says "page 2 of 2" and looks like another page comes before it, but I can't figure out how to get to it. ??

[judaspriestess]

40. if you scroll to the bottom

it allows you to go back to page 1

[anamandujano]

35. Thanks for the great post.

I've only seen your name around the last few days. It lifts the spirits to have another voice for sanity in the mix.

By any chance, did you drop this bomb in the cesspool? (GD-P)

[ClericJohnPreston]

38. Hopefully I'll make it here three months

on April 3rd. In dog years these last three months seem a lifetime :)

I've been fighting the good fight for awhile now. Glad you noticed;)

I'm very happy to help any way I can.

[Raffi Ella]

36. Hello and Welcome ClericJohnPreston!

Excellent post,I could not agree more - My Motto has been and continues to be:NObama!

[Chalco]

37. Amen. nt

[rodeodance]

41. Welcome--whow--what a post. i think what bothers me at the moment is

what you said about him sitting above the fray--yet he is into up to his ears --in sewage.

And class and race divisiveness --oh yes!
BTW--i too was with edwards--in 04.




......Obama has run as dirty a campaign as can be had, all the while sitting above the fray. This "innocence" is easily seen for the illusion it is, EXCEPT by his rabid supporters.

[NastyRiffraff]

42. First, welcome, CJP!

Glad to see someone from the John Edwards group here!

Obama's "gift" for running a slimy campaign while seeming to be above-it-all has bothered me for a long time. Every politician uses surrogates to say what they can't say themselves, but this guy has made it an art. It may well be why he only offers pablum himself...in ringing tones and soaring language, but pablum nonetheless.

[anamandujano]

43. The fact that he doesn't step forward in a timely manner to stop

the garbage that's spewed is proof he agrees with it, intends to profit from it and more than likely instigated it.

That much is obvious. The press is helping him smooth it all over for now. Let's see what happens in the general IF he grabs the nom.

I still think Hillary is going to win. The ineffective men, the so-called leaders of the party, Dean, Reid, the senior senators, et al are showing themselves by joining together to try to shut down the democratic process. If they only applied themselves to America's problems with such gusto.

[theHandpuppet]

44. Excellent post!

And let's not forget Obama's wedded bliss with the mining industry, something the MSM hasn't talked about AT ALL.