Do you ever feel taken for granted as a Hillary supporter?

[kiva]

Just watched another news segment on the Democratic primary contest on BBCA. Even though they were far more balanced than most news programs--they DIDN'T immediately demand that Hillary drop out "for the good of the party"--I was waiting for the inevitable, and sure enough it was there. One man, identified as an Obama supporter, sorrowfully predicted that if his candidate didn't win the nomination young people would be outraged, and this would damage the Democratic Party for a generation.

This ignores the fact that many of Hillary's supporters are young, but it also shows a blatant disregard for her older supporters. I've seen dozens of posts from Hill supports that state they've been stalwart dems for decades, and are ridiculed on this site by Obama supporters. Despite the polls that claim more Hill supporters would refuse to vote for Obama in the GE than vice-versa, I truly believe there is a widespread assumption that most of us older dems would, in the end, support him. It's the only explanation I can buy for their assurance that their candidate will win, regardless of how they treat us.

This idea that it's OK to insult Hillary and her supporters in any fashion (after all, it's only the young voters that count to the Democratic Party) just plain p***es me off. It reminds me of cable TV and telephone company promotions that promise great deals to lure in new customers, while expecting their existing customers to suck it up and smile.

[BenDavid]

1. Good post and we HRC supporters have not the time to concern

ourselves with what every whoremedia pundit has to say. I, like you are out there doing our best to make HRC the nominee and fight off the stupid vile and bile statements by the obamabots.People can say whatever they want, and as Simon Phoenix said in Demolition Man, "you can't take away peoples rights to be assholes" and there are many, many here in the DU.

[enlightenment]

2. I'm becoming increasingly concerned about

how this is all going to play out.

It's pretty clear at this point that if Obama doesn't win the nomination, regardless of why, Hillary - and her supporters - will be blamed.

If Obama does win the nomination, but loses the GE, regardless of why, Hillary - and her supporters - will be blamed.

Even if Obama wins the GE, I suspect that his supporters will find a way to blame his presidential failures (and there will be some, of course) on Hillary and her supporters.

I have NEVER seen so many people divorced from any sense of objectivity or responsibility. It's frightening.

I don't see any way to resolve this situation or repair the rift that this divisiveness has caused. But I don't think it's Hillary's fault - or her supporters - and it annoys the crap out of me that everyone who is NOT an Obama supporter is going to have to put up with this for the forseeable future.

agh.

[Tellurian]

3. I'm hoping they are college age students

who for lack of wisdom, have no idea of the dangerous tumult they are creating. The average IQ were dealing with there is not favoring high intellectual abilities either. Most everyone there with a modicom of curiosity has left DU for greener pastures rather than be subjected to the constant bullying and abusive behavior condoned by the adm.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

19. Tellurian I believe that it is exactly that...and their lack of wisdom

[Lilith Velkor]

4. Now you know how Nader supporters felt 8 years ago.

Perhaps the Hillarites should get together with the Edwardians, Koochie-heads, Gorebots and Bidenistas to plan for what happens after Obama Fever dies down.

It would be a good time to pull the party to the left.

[Two Americas]

8. yes

I have been thinking about this ever since the attacks on Clinton supporters got so bad that I felt compelled to come here and offer my support.

I wonder what the real differences are between people on the "far left," such as myself, and Clinton supporters. If we could have that discussion here, that would be a miracle and a very positive thing.

[susankh4]

5. Ever since Mr. McCain got the GOP nomination

I have been warning them. There are many, many Hill supporters that will resonate with John more than Barack. They don't want to hear it. But... I won't shut up. Here's why:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5275216&mesg_id=5278804

(My most recent response to the barrage of "they'll change their minds once Barack is the nominee.")

[bellasgrams]

10. I don't like McCain's policies but I fear him less than I do BO.

I just don't know who he will choose to help him make decisions. He'll have to have someone at least I hope he knows enough not to stumble through on his own. I see him as another Bush and McCain not much better but I know McCain's heart is in the right place. I just don't trust BO.

[question everything]

12. Now you are exaggerating. I think that Obama will have to keep

the core Democrats happy if he will want to be re-elected. I will trust him more than McCain in nominating Supreme Court Justices, for example, unless he really wants to lose a re-election bid and ignore the need to preserve Roe v. Wade. Remember his comments that he hoped women pray, or something, before they terminate their pregnanacies?

For all I know, Rev. Jeremiah calls for stones and damnation on the ones who make their choices.

[susankh4]

14. I hear ya!

Alot of us do.

[anamandujano]

6. It's part and parcel of his thug tactics. Blame Hillary if she wins the

nomination for subverting the "will of the people," threaten violence, and then blame her when he loses the general because she tried to pry some puny information out of him.

They are so wrong in taking us for granted. I was born a Democrat but will never vote for Obama. I think he's Rove's candidate this time around. They have a lot of moles, pretend Democrats, who will offer up apologies for him when he keeps up the Bush agenda.

We have all been played so badly. I am now seeing the possibility of a third party. They have alienated at least half of the party. That's a big vote right there. The Nader stuff plays well with the same people that Obama's stuff appeals to. It has always appealed to me too but until now he didn't have half of the base to add to his supporters. He will no longer be viewed as a spoiler. Of course it can be a different candidate.

I sense I'm rambling but you all know what I mean.

I do think McCain can be reasoned with. Obama is just a con man.

[bellasgrams]

11. My friend won't vote for BO because of his admiration of

Reagan. We both agree he was a very poor president and there was nothing to admire. That's a pretty good knife in Bill Clinton's back. I don't understand how people including BO can diss Bill when you consider how much better the country was under him than any president since the 60's, but then you also had the Viet. war. I would love to have a Clinton back in the WH. I know they talk things over and we would be the better for it.

[susankh4]

15. Yes I know what you mean

and I feel similarly.

[Two Americas]

7. holding us hostage

Many young Obama supporters are supporting the Democratic party upon the condition that we abandon the traditional principles and ideals of the party, and that the activists - especially we older folks - are purged and silenced. That is what they "see" in Obama - the hope of changing things by smashing us.

[bigtree]

9. we are a 'movement'

It's been incredible to listen to the spin that we'd be robbing Obama and his supporters of something, if he lost, because of his specialness. Our candidate is unique as well.

[Arkansas Granny]

13. What worries me most about Obama's young supporter is that they are all fired up now,

but are they going to be this fired up in November? Will these young people going to use their enthusiasm to win Obama the nomination and then blow off the GE because they are busy doing something else? Will the age group that has the lowest percentage of voter participation in the past miraculously show up this fall to vote?

[susankh4]

16. November?

It's a long way off for them. They can change parties a few times by then... based upon the whims of their "overmind."

But... the real question is... will they support ANYONE ELSE running for Dem. office? Once they kill the cash cow, and purge the party of us activists... who is going to work for the Dem. Governors? Mayors? Senators? House Reps? On and on....

They are single candidate voters. And they send many small donations to Barack. But..... they do not give a damn about the rest of the party.

[gizmonic]

17. "But... the real question is... will they support ANYONE ELSE running for Dem. office?"

That's what I'm afraid of as well. :(

There are other races that need Dem support. Is his fan club going to stick around and volunteer? Nope, I don't see it.

Yea, Hope and Change, my ass.

:grr:

[kiva]

18. Exactly my concern.

When "Obama girl" didn't vote in the New Jersey primary, it was a one-day wonder; if Obama gets the nomination and large numbers of his supporters are too busy to vote this November, it'll be a four-year nightmare.

[kiva]

20. Don't need no stinkin' money! Or voters! Or plans!

Just finished reading a thread about Paul Cejas and other big dem donors who want their money back from the DNC because of the Florida and Michigan debacles, and the responses to the story are amazing. One Obama supporter after another repeating the meme, give them their money and let them join the Republicans--they weren't real dems anyway! So this new order doesn't need old people, feminists or GLBL people who haven't joined the cult, financial support from anyone who who's angry about the disenfranchisement of FL and MI--OOOKKKK...just who is left to make "the change?"