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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 06:16 AM
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Hillary and the Fourth Wave of Feminism
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 06:34 AM by susankh4
""Not so long ago, it was possıble for women, particularly young women, to share in the popular illusion that we were living in a postfeminist moment. There were encouraging statistics to point to: More women than men are enrolled at universities, where they typically earn higher grades; once they graduate, those who live in big cities might even receive higher salaries—at least in the early years of employment. The Speaker of the House is female, as are eight governors and 16 percent of Congress (never mind that this is 11 percent fewer than Afghanistan’s parliament). Many women believed we had access to the same opportunities and experiences as men—that was the goal of the feminist movement, wasn’t it?—should we choose to take advantage of them (and, increasingly, we just might not). There was, of course, the occasional gender-based slight to contend with, a comment on physical appearance, the casual office badminton played with words like bitch and whore and slut, but to get worked up over these things seemed pointlessly symbolic, humorless, the purview of women’s-studies types. Then Hillary Clinton declared her candidacy, and the sexism in America, long lying dormant, like some feral, tranquilized animal, yawned and revealed itself. Even those of us who didn’t usually concern ourselves with gender-centric matters began to realize that when it comes to women, we are not post-anything.""

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""As the Pennsylvania primary nears, pundits and party members are again, as they did before Ohio and Texas, calling for Clinton to step down. (“The model of female self-sacrifice is deeply embedded in our culture,” notes Bennetts.) And indeed it’s becoming increasingly difficult to see how this political cycle could end with her victorious. It is perhaps cold comfort to say that if she loses the nomination, her candidacy leaves behind a legacy of reawakened feminism—the fourth wave, if you will. But this is in fact what is happening.

The past few months have been like an extended consciousness-raising session, to use a retro phrase that would have once made most of us cringe. We’ve parsed the gender politics of the campaign with other women in the office, at parties, over e-mail, and now we’re starting to parse the gender politics of our lives. This is, admittedly, depressing: How can we be confronting the same issues, all these years later? But it’s also exciting. It feels as if a window has been opened in a stuffy, long-sealed room. There is a thrill at the collective realization. Now the question is, what next? ""






http://nymag.com/news/features/46011/
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:46 AM
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1. I've Taken Some Shit For Pointing Out
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 08:47 AM by Crisco
That the calls for HC to bow out of the race would never be happening if she had wobbly parts in her trousers.

It's inherent in our culture that any man making some Herculean effort be allowed to carry out with it, no matter what the chances of his success unless. Either he'll succeed, he'll lose & "take it like a man," or he'll realize his folly and drop out on his own.

The press & party elites are doing everything they can to make sure she can't succeed and they pile on the attempts to humiliate her into dropping out. Are they really so stupid and full of themselves to believe that women can't see what's going on? Of course we can.

The thing is, if HC stood less of a chance of winning, none of this would be happening, IMO. She'd be 100% indulged - as Dennis Kucinich and Al Sharpton were indulged.

The real danger to the Democratic Party is the farce of nomination is being exposed to the public. Stephen Colbert knows a little bit about that.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:32 PM
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3. great post
Yes, there is a sentiment of "OK we gave a woman a chance. What ELSE do you want NOW? She had her little fling and we were willing to indulge it, but it is time for her to move aside now because we have serious work to do."

Yes, were she doing much more poorly, none of this would be happening, as in your examples of Kucinich and Sharpton.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 02:21 PM
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2. Good article - thanks for posting.
As a second waver I can report that I have had some very interesting conversations with younger women in the past few months. The post-fems are really shocked. It took them awhile to admit to themselves what it was they were watching but now they get it. Sadly, in some of the early voting states it is too late.

But, the 21st century conversation about entrenched misogyny that I was hoping for - the one I hoped Hillary's candidacy would jump start - is up and running.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:33 PM
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4. thanks Susan
Great article.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:07 PM
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5. excellent article - though many reader comments were disturbing
as usually happens with articles like this. Some readers engage in the very biases the article tries to identify and enlighten about, sadly providing further evidence in support of the authors' points.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:21 PM
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6. it is highly annoying that people keep saying she should drop out -
really pisses me off.


No one would say that if she were a guy. :grr:
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 05:47 AM
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7. Noone is Free when Others are Oppressed
The Democratic Party. I am beginning to re-examine my desire to be a part of it.

This I know: Noone is free, when others are oppressed. I live by this simple doctrine. Every day of my life. And... I have a well established history of breaking ranks with organizations that blatantly, and cavalierly oppress then deny it.

About twenty years ago, I broke with the church of my upbringing (Catholicism) over it's oppression of women and gays. By that time I had a daughter and an apparently gay son. I wasn't about to raise either of them in an environment like the one I grew up in.

Approximately ten years ago I broke out of the American health care system, and my chosen career of nursing. I perceived the system increasingly controlled by powerful interests and lacking regard for the well being of the masses. "Managed Care" was the end of "real care" in my opinion.

Another ten years have gone by... and my chosen party (of 32 years) is grating on me. If I do not see an effort to honor the equality of women, alongside that of all men .... I will be forced to make a decision. I simply do not support organizational structures that deliberately oppress and then deny. Period.

Noone is free, when anyone is oppressed.

Misogyny is oppression. Having my fellow Democrats tell me I am "imagining it" is even a greater insult than the fact that they are participating in calling Hillary (a person much like me) "fucking whore" or "bitch" or any other number of insulting slurs.


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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 05:50 AM
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8. 'The past few months have been like an extended consciousness-raising session'
How true. For years I thought I was of the post-feminist era. And even last year I thought that.

The Obama campaign and his followers have taught me otherwise.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 06:58 AM
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9. Same deal for the supposed 'post-racial' era. Look at that mess now,
..which has been fomented and promoted by the BO campaign, spreading the lie about the Clintons being racist, and letting surrogates and supporters say so, including the media.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 10:17 PM
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10. I can only hope so.
I have been thinking for a while that what this country needs is a good dose of old fashioned feminism.
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