I think it may be time to leave. I really can't take the Obamites. I cannot vote for their candidate

[saracat]

and I cannot support the ignorance and viciousness that they exude. At the very least I am going to hide for a bit.The nastiness of their personal attacks as well as the lack of historical knowledge and critical thinking displayed is unacceptable.Yesterday the ease with with which they attacked Chelsea Clinton, for doing nothing except campaign for her mother was chilling. The opportunity they took to condemn Hillary for expressing concern for the fallen officer and their "rejoicing" at her cancellation of campaign appearances in order to spend time with the officers family was horrifying If these are the kind of voters the party wants , then they don't want me.

I am ashamed to be a Democrat. I truly am. It used to be that I was ashamed to be an American in Bush world.But I was not really ashamed to be an American because I was proud of my Democratic party. The Obama Bots have taken that away from me and I think I hate them for that more than anything.Thanks to them I have "NOTHING " to believe in. Hillary was not my first choice.The Party took my first choice, Edwards, away from me ,allegedly for the "good of the party". Heh. Now, they are attempting to take any opposition to Obama away. I am sickened.

If Obama gets the nod, it will be crooked, like his whole political career , and I hope they choke on the consequences.These "Dems for a Day" can attempt to run the party without any worker bees if that is the case. Many of us will not be working for their cause. Never in my entire life have I felt so strongly that a potential Dem nominee was "bad news".

I have repeatedly been "informed" by the "new wave " of voters that I am "not welcome" on DU because I refuse to vote against my own interests.All I can say is , if this is indeed true,(And it isn't pursuant to the rules, which they cannot comprehend, as they have already had the coronation they accused Hillary of orchestrating) I am pleased because I have no desire to be welcome in such a group as these people are.

[Freida5]

1. I feel your pain. I keep telling myself that the BO people are children or Rethugs

The General Discussion Primary is brutal. Fortunately there are seemingly more Hillary supporters lately which is a good thing. I just try to ignore the stupid sexist, racist and inappropriate comments and make a few contributions to keep the pressure on and challenge the thinking of the cultist. The Dem for a Day strategy bother me. I wonder if Obama campaign is in bed with Rethugs on this. There needs to be some consequence to this behavior. The DNC needs to take some action. I cannot believe that the "ethics" of politics and political party rules allows for this to occur.
Apparently this is not the first time. It has been suggested that it occurred during the McGovern blowout. Then you have someone with so little experience, ties with corruption and the Chicago machine who has less competence in the political arena than George Bush who is supported by the mainstream media particularly NBC in a way that only Fox can rival. NBC is working toward increasing market share for their help to BO. Then you have Move on and BO putting pressure on the Superdelegates for their vote when that is the worse thing that could happen to the party. I am afraid that if BO get the nomination we stand to lose the Presidency and Congress and we find out Karl Rove and the Rethugs designed and controlled our destiny. But I am going to hang in there for a while longer at least till March 4th and try to help the cause. I hope you hang in there too.

[rodeodance]

6. of course---see what oH--Tx bring---but the lady is fighting back today:-)

[katty]

37. more are younger and behave like jackasses cause it's cool

the idiotic, pop culture bashing is just so obvious.

[BlackVelvet04]

2. Please at least keep checking in on this forum....

I know exactly how you feel. I for one will not vote for someone who I feel is basically another gwb. If Hillary doesn't get the nomination I am pretty much done with politics. I will not donate money to the Democrats and I will not work for another one....not until there is a viable female candidate.

I'm so angry with the Democrats like Kennedy and Kerry for setting up this situation that I'm completely disillusioned with the Democratic party.

There will be absolutely no support of any kind for obama from me if he is the nominee....I'll write Hillary's name in.

The pitting against each other of the two most loyal groups of voters for the Democratic party is a stab in the back for both groups....but especially women. Barack is a rookie senator who can well afford to wait until 2016 but NOOOOOOOOOOO Kerry and Kennedy wouldn't have that, would they.

[maddiejoan]

3. Count me in

I've been voting Democratic straight tickets for 27 years.

If Obama is the nominee, I'll vote all down ticket and write in Hillary.

Let them have their "Golden Boy".

He doesn't represent me.

[rodeodance]

5. wish jack could vote

[maddiejoan]

8. It's Jake

and I do too.

[rodeodance]

10. i am sorry. i should remember that name--as it was my dads-

[rodeodance]

4. you about said every thing i would say.--and you know--there is no sence of

what they are doing to HRC supporters. they just assume we will hold our noses and vote for obama.


nope--write in is the only option!!

[saracat]

7. And most Edwards supporters as well. I really am torked that they have attempted to claim Edwards as

a supporter even after Obama, in another "gratuitous insult" claimed Edwards endorsement wasn't "worth anything". Oh yeah? Why did he fly down to NC in a blizzard then? He said then when it was clear Edwards wasn't going to endorse him. I think it was very true that Edwards said Obama wasn't enough of a "fighter" and he isn't.He would "negotiate " all our rights away for an advantage to himself!

[UALRBSofL]

9. I'll check in several times a day

But will decrease my number of visits. The Obama supporters have gone out of control.

[rodeodance]

11. good:---we need you if only to zap a few every now and then:-)

[calico1]

12. At least stay on this forum.

I wish there was a "hide forum" option. I like this one plus the Lounge and some non political ones.

Hey, I just alerted on a post by some jerk that told me something to the effect that I was a bitchy Hillbot and if I didn't want to vote for Obama not to let the door hit my vagina on the way out. LOL

I agree with much of your post. I wonder sometimes, are Democrats really different from Republicans? Apparently some are just as low and nasty as any Freeper could dream of being. Aside from the way Hillary has been treated and we supporters have been treated by a lot of Obama supporters it is so disppointing to see what has happened to people I thought were different from Republicans. Fact is, I am having difficulty telling any difference.

[saracat]

16. Spot on.That is exactly how I feel. I am also saddened by people I once respected.

And I was not alwys a Hillary fan. I went back and forth. I ,loved her years ago. Today , not as much. I can be critcal as well, but nothing like the viciousness of this, thiough I was accused of it. LOL!~However, there is no comparison between Hillary and Obama.There is only one rational choice and that is Hillary. But the Obama Bots take the cake.They were also vicious to Edwards.

I guess I just do not get the adulation. I understand the flaws of those politicians I may support but these folks are devoid of critical thinking and spew their hatred on anyone in the vicinity of their opposition. I expect they will attack Clinton's dog next or the SS who protect them!

[DemCam]

21. I check this site...to get a little positive juice..

I close my eyes as I go by the madness...the ugliness...the hate.

I can finally say with great enthusiasm...I love Hillary.

She is one tough lady doing her best to negotiate uncharted
trails. She is my heroine. I'm not brave enough to watch
the debates and she walked in to an audience today that was
potentially hostile indeed...Tavis Smiley's Black State of the Union
that Dick Gregory and Al Sharpton had just aroused the house to
a fervor against Bill Clinton.

She was magnificent. And then I found out she had just called out
the Obama campaign.

I don't care what happens (a lie) she's my candidate and role-model.

[kikiek]

13. I gotta go too. I will not be voting for Obama after checking the board today.

It is beyond disgusting. I don't find anything decent or informative. I am sorry I even donated money to DU this last time. I have never felt like this in my life either. Should Obama win the nomination I, no matter how they try to repair the rift, can not vote for him.

[calico1]

14. Keep reading this forum!

Also there are lots of other non political forums. I am kinda sorry too that I donated this time. The mods really have not done too well with the threads. It seems to me that last time (2004) they were much better at tombstoning and deleting threads.

We have each other here. So we can all still come here and have some sane conversations.

:grouphug:

[kikiek]

15. Yes this is the best forum on the whole site! I noticed immediately that the

best and the brightest gather here. Not one is rude or vile! I do like the spirituality forum too. You're right. Thanks, :pals:

[libbygurl]

29. Regarding the mods, I wonder if many of them are pro-Obama, too, and are letting...

...their bias do the judgments for them.

I donated quite a bit just this time, if only to get a chance to give away those cute Valentine hearts to my fave DUers here (all wonderful Hillary supporters, of course, since we can only depend on ourselves in this place anymore for any decent, human feelings).

[kikiek]

33. That's whereI sent mine too. Many seem to have left already.

[Justpat]

17. DU seems to have surrendered to the troll invasion this time.

Many of those who have been here for a while claim that it is always like this at primary time.
I disagree. In the past, freepers or anyone posting right wing talking points would have been
cut down quick. Now they are a mob who have taken over the place. They seem to be escaping
out of GDP lately too.

Lately I have reduced my time on DU to this place and two other non political forums.


I am left with not much hope for our country after all. If Obama is such a savior, why the need
to destroy his opponent? Wouldn't the strength of his character dismissed the need for such vile
character assassination of Hillary by his supporters?

I think the centuries of misogyny that kept women in a place of servitude all these years is alive
and well in our times. My heart is, if anything, more determined to see that we are held up
and respected in our society. I'm not giving up. But what they have done to Hillary Clinton has
made me enraged me and at times, filled me with grief.

[kikiek]

18. It's like a slap in the face to wake up. It appeared that women were very close to being treated as

equal. Then this primary knocked that thought out like a lightening strike. I was in my early 20's in the 80's, and I remember a yearly review I received back then. My female supervisor told me (and put it in writing on my review) that I should be careful because my assertiveness could be mistaken for aggressiveness. There hadn't been any complaints about me she said. But I should be careful about being assertive. I just looked at her and told her she wouldn't be saying that to me if I were a man. She just looked at me with this stupid look on her face. I am constantly reminded of that now when I watch Hillary. I realize that this is still the problem she is facing. That is the real reason so many hate her. It is misogyny pure and simple. We haven't come that far.

[BlackVelvet04]

22. That's so very true.....

I guess us women just forgot our place.

[katty]

36. i think they've pretty much surrendered-it's like BO freeperland

it feels like tom cruise is breathing down my neck all day.....

[NMMNG]

19. I hear you loud and clear.

How much longer I'll last here I cannot say. The climate is becoming outright repugnant.

There is a safe haven. PM me if you're interested.

[TheRealNominee]

20. The truth is becoming abundantly clear. Obama is a Fraud.

Hillary is the real Democratic choice for the nomination, if our system would have been fairly administered. The Automatic or Super Delegates should consider why the GOP has taken such extreme measures to undermine Hillary’s campaign efforts to secure the Democratic Nomination. Therefore, Automatic Delegates should place their votes accordingly based on their initial instincts and as mechanism to offset the GOP’s effort to undermine Hillary’s campaign.

I am hoping the Automatic Delegates understand that Hillary’s proven record of accomplishments and experience will make a difference in the General Election, despite the media’s comments indicating that Obama’s well written and rehearsed inspirational speeches will make him a better candidate in the General Election.

[Qanisqineq]

23. I am in shock, just appalled

I woke up this morning (evening for everyone in the US) and was reading here in the HRC forum and on the site Buffy talked about -- reading about some of the attacks on HRC and the attacks on her supporters here at DU. I usually miss all the "good" stuff because it seems to happen during my middle of the night.

The misogyny is sickening. I really don't get how Obama supporters can think this is okay.
"Don't let the door hit you in the vagina"
"Ready To Pitch An Hysterical Wifey Fit On The First Day."
quotes about being "on the rag" or about menopause
etc.

WTF is going on? Why are they so afraid of HRC that they have to attack her in such a way? How can they expect me to want to vote for Obama after all of this? In real life, would you make phone calls for your candidate and say really nasty things about the other candidate? No, it wouldn't win your candidate votes; it would be counterproductive. And it isn't winning my vote for Obama here.

[JohnnyLib2]

24. Whew, glad I checked in here.

I was on the road and without news until after 8 EST tonight, then found the day's mess on DU. There seems to be no room at all for looking at, let alone considering, more than the one point of view. Express any concern and be shot down. Bring up positives about HRC and be shot down; try humor, BANG, etc.

I'll be coming here often, and thanks to Saracat for this post.

[kerrygoddess]

25. I feel your pain

I've been avoiding DU because it's so toxic and regret I spent time here tonight. I won't blog for Obama - I can not bring myself to support the hypocrisy and this primary has turned my stomach so badly that I'll be seeking other issues to be an activist on.

[NastyRiffraff]

26. saracat, I completely understand

I don't agree with you about not voting, but I understand the feeling. I'm just more scared of McCain than I am of Obama.

I, too, supported Edwards. I was crushed when he bowed out. I can't blame him, after the treatment he got from the media.

I think a lot of people are going to have a rude awakening when they finally see Obama as he is, and that's inevitable. (Look at Bush). I actually feel sorry for the kids; he's playing them like a violin, and they're going to have their dreams crushed.

Please don't leave...you're one of the strongest, sanest voices on DU. At the very least, hang out in this forum.

[Qanisqineq]

27. ditto Nasty: hang out here

I like to hang out here but I don't post much and this place isn't terribly busy so we need you to stay!

[Beausoir]

28. I was coming here to post something very similar. You know what really gripes me??

All these "long time" DUers who can standby on the sidelines and watch the never.ending.torrent. of sexism and hatred being hurled at Hillary.

Oh, once in awhile, they'll chime in to say something like "Jeeze...GDP is such a sewer! I'll be so glad when the primary is over and we can get back to normal!"

Well, we are NEVER going to get back to normal here. Not after watching so many people who I thought were true Liberal Democrats SIT ON THEIR HANDS while this board was overrun with sexist hatefilled Obama supporters.

Where are the true Liberals here anymore? Where are the voices of outrage from these so-called pillars of the DU community? These people who claim to be feminist, or Liberal, yet they hide out and refuse to condemn the sexism that is pervasive now, in every thread and in almost every post.

Their voices are silent. And by remaining silent, they are complicit.

[Qanisqineq]

32. Some of the long-timers are making it a sewer

I started using the ignore function for the first time just this month. A number of people on my list are long-timers that I used to enjoy reading. Their hatred for Clinton and their vicious attacks got to be too much and I had to ignore them.

I know what you mean about them sitting back and watching the viciousness. And sometimes I wonder why threads aren't locked, threads that basically start out "Hillary is on the rag" or some other sexist crap. Yet those threads will go on for 100 or more posts. And then if you complain about the attacks on Hillary, they scream back with how many attacks are made on Obama by Clinton supporters. Clinton supporters are so much worse. Really? Before I chose between these two candidates, I felt I was pretty objective and it looked pretty lopsided to me and it's gotten worse since then. Don't say anything is sexist because you'll get 100 responses saying, "a real feminist would be embarrassed by Hillary" or "MY WIFE says a real feminist would be embarrassed by Hillary".

But we must all remember, Obama can do no wrong. He is the Chosen One. He is our Savior. :eyes:

[libbygurl]

30. So sorry to hear that, but I still come back anyway, but read little and post even less.

I really liked John Edwards, especially because of the courageous and smart Elizabeth. If he and Hillary were the frontrunners, I would really have a hard time deciding between the two.

The Obama supporters have gone wild all over the internet and sadly, on DU, dominating this place, sneering at anything HRC does, no matter how innocent. On this site, I have gone against my usual nature and become more assertive and occasionally fight back against these guys when ridiculous and totally demeaning, disrespectful and untruthful posts by O supporters appear, but I've also been choosing my battles more carefully. It's tough to go against the tsunami of pro-Obama sentiment on DU anymore. It does get to you, and I personally don't know how Hillary has held up so well all these years under such bruising, malicious, malignant attacks from the right-wing. And now, from so-called 'Democrats' themselves, many of whom have never voted before, never knew the history of the Clinton years, and have latched on to the (allegedly) 'charismatic' candidate. Not to me - he strikes me as a fake through and through. And his campaign has only divided the Dems as he attempts to unite with the Reps. Yup, a real uniter, that.

I think Hillary supporters know the flaws of their candidate all too well, but they recognise her strengths, too.

Obama supporters only know the PERFECTION of their candidate, to hear them tell it here. Their absolutism is frightening, as if they can't brook any disagreement in opinion about their candidate - not unlike the lockstep psychological movement of a fascist state. And the televangelist nature of his campaign meets - people fainting and weeping - what the hell is that about?

Nope, I won't be lifting a finger to help O if he becomes the nom, and he isn't getting a single cent from me, either. As for DU, I find solace and support in this Hillary supporters group forum and visit it more often now.

[saracat]

31. I will continue to hide in here and the Edwards group for a while but

things are going to get evil if he gets the nod and a Board is defined by its population and I really have lost respect for many. on this Board .DU is no longer a comfortable place to be.Unfortanately neither is the Democratic Party.I pray eveything turns out for the best.

[Clinton Crusader]

34. I don't go 'there' anymore - I can't take it- I have high BP - and it's makiing me sick

I've had a viral infection for three and a half weeks, I ca't shake it, this whole thing is making me sick. I simply cannot go there anymore. I ONLY come here now. If you say it's sunny out, they attack you for being anti-night. They rip your lungs out for saying ANYTHING. Everything and anything is construed as being anti-Obama. Well, now it is. I cannot stand the guy, and I cannot stand his wife and his supporters.

I will NOT vote for him.

I have a bunch of friends who are voting for NADER now.

I am heartsick over this election.
:cry:

Oh and I wonder sometimes about what's allowed to 'pass' over 'there' and never challenged. There was one thread that repeatedly used a word that begins with C, has 4 letters and ends with T, and the thread was about Hillary. I sent an alert, saying I found the whole thread disgusting, offensive and gross, but it stayed. People are routinely attacked, cursed, beaten and the like and nothing ever happens. Why?

[susankh4]

35. I think I have suffered my final attack at the hands of an Obamaphiliac

If I do not vote for the Dem presidential candidate this November it will not be Mr. Nader's fault. They will have noone to blame but themselves, and their attitude that Mr. Obama does not need "my kind." (Meaning Hillary supporters.)

I will still be voting dem for every other office. And I will vote the party line on the issues. That will have to be good enough. That and my 32 years of unbroken support for the party.

[saracat]

38. Me too!

[judaspriestess]

39. it seems more and more I like being in here

gd politics is just out of control it is a strange thing to see. sad and pathetic.

[Qanisqineq]

40. join us in here

The more the merrier! If I dare venture out of here, I end up with pounding headaches and I get really irritable with my husband. Oh, and I grit my teeth so much I have toothaches and jaw pains. For my health, I better stay here.