I find this report quite disturbing!!!!!!!!!!

[rodeodance]

lots of crappy comments on this thread.
one poster said he was alerting. good god.





Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject I find this report quite disturbing!!!!!!!!!!
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4784111#4784111
4784111, I find this report quite disturbing!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Beacool on Tue Feb-26-08 05:28 PM

Black Hillary Supporters May Be Receiving Death Threats

There's mounting evidence that at least some of Obama's faithful intend to see a black American president sworn in next year -- no matter what it takes.

Earlier this month, popular black author and talk-show host Tavis Smiley disclosed death threats he'd received from those accusing him of blasphemy against their black prophet. Then, at Saturday's Smiley-hosted State of the Black Union forum, Congressional Black Caucus member Stephanie Tubbs Jones lent credence to Smiley's claim by suggesting that many black elected officials not swearing allegiance to Obama have also been the target of violent threats.

[Clinton Crusader]

1. what in the world is happening??

I feel like Im in a bad b movie...

[NMMNG]

2. I believe it

After what I've seen around here lately nothing would surprise me.

[flordehinojos]

3. donna brazille was on that stage in the second panel of tavis smiley's BSU in NOLA.

She was beyond control (kicking her arms and legs up in the air) in approval of Dick Gregory's inciting words against the clinton and their whiteness. Gregory was non-stop inciting those there to vote for a black president, simply because he is black. the people in that auditorium got the same non-stop it is time to elect a black president (no matter what) just because he is black ... the only one in that stage who kept her calm, and kept trying to bring the discourse or dialogue back to any sort of rational display was sheila jackson-lee who remained very composed while donna brazille and others shouted, applauded and kicked their arms and legs up in the air. jackson-lee kept saying through her compusre and her words, "let's get back to the agenda. the agenda is: " and she would go back to quoting the work at hand in the congress. the others would have none of it.

yes. this election is very much a black and white thing. and it is not the hillary camp who is doing this.

[stahbrett]

4. Oh no, there are some black people who want to have a black president???

Obama should never have organized or attended such an event. Oh wait.

Seriously, there have been women's organizations that wholeheartedly support Hillary Clinton. And there are black organizations that support Obama. What is surprising about that, exactly? There are probably old white men organizations supporting McCain. :)

[flordehinojos]

5. i think that what i am addressing is the way in which it was done.

the obamanites are accusing the clintons of being racists ... obama let the press run with that in south carolina when he knew it is not true ... and in that BSU affair there was a lot of reverse racism going on against the clintons. it is the obamanites who are playing the race card. clinton is appealing universally to voters whoever they are ... black/white/yellow/red anywhere in between as well as women/men regardless of their straightness or G/L orientations.

I don't know if McCain is including racism in his campaign. I don't tune in to his campaign.

[stahbrett]

6. I don't think that the Clintons are racists - they did try to play the so-called "race-card" though

Some of the incidents could have been incidental/accidental, but with the "shucking and jiving" from Cuomo, the focus on his name and Muslim father by Bob Kerrey, the attempt to discount South Carolina's huge win by Obama with the Jesse Jackson stuff, etc., they (the Clinton campaign) has, at an absolute minimum, given the overall impression that they're bringing race into the campaign.

[zabet]

7. Michelle played it when she said...

'Black America will get it..' and
vote for Obama because he is black.
Obama used it in an endorsement of
another African-American politican
by saying, 'You need to vote for him
because I am lonely in Washington', this
said to a rally at a predominately
African-American Church. So I guess
like everything else, it is either a
matter of perception or it is OK when
Obama does it.

There is an Obama supporters group if
GDP doesn't give you enough opportunity
to post back-handed slams against Hillary.

[rodeodance]

10. That poster has wondered into our Hillary group. He can go start a discussion

in his own Obama forum or in GP-D.

I am not trying to be rude. ok.

[stahbrett]

12. Sorry guys and gals - I did indeed wander into here, accidentally

Sorry for that... I must have clicked on the wrong link or something, and thought this was GD:P.

[theHandpuppet]

13. Yeah, right

After all, you only have to bypass the links for the main DU forums and go to the link for DU Groups, select "Democrats", then scroll down over a half dozen listings before you find the Hillary Clinton Supporters link. So easy to confuse it with GD -- NOT. Please don't insult my intelligence. Just leave before you force me to report another stalking incident by an Obama supporter.

[stahbrett]

14. Believe what you want - I actually did get here accidentally, probably via a link in someone's sig

I did not navigate through any list of forums or groups to get here.

Have a great day, hand puppet!

[theHandpuppet]

17. LEAVE

No more pathetic excuses. I'm not interested. Just LEAVE. NOW.

[rodeodance]

18. OH--hp-------thanks so much. "it" will not come back i am sure. te he.

[rodeodance]

9. WHY are you in this FORUM??????? You have your own.

[flordehinojos]

19. kendrick meeks, a florida representative was with bill clinton when the jessee jackson comment took

place. he has said repeatedly on the television that clinton's comment was in response to a question asked of him by a reporter. that the incident happened quite early in the day of the south carolina primaries. that bill clinton was quoting a fact in answer to a question posed to him by a reporter. that this happened inside a diner. that none of the people there heard this as a racial slur against barack obama, nor did he, kendrick meeks.

the media has repeatedly discounted kendrick's account of what happened. BO knew full well that the clintons made no racial slurs against him. He let the media run with the story.

People will hear what they want to hear ... as in Socrates' allegory of the cave living in darkness is the easiest thing to do. coming out to the light is blinding, and lots of people prefer the darkness to the initial blinding effects of light. the media does not want to put a spotlight on truth. they continue to spin the facts and people continue to listen to what it is they are more comfortable with listening to ... that which is easier for them to believe.

[rodeodance]

11. Sorry--but I just realized you are an Obama supporter. Another one accidently

wondered in her yesterday. She apologized.

[stahbrett]

15. I apologize as well - I now see a link here in some folks' signatures - I think I clicked on one

Using a laptop here and will often click on a link by accident. Full apologies from me to you...

[rodeodance]

16. Thanks. point taken. Willing to have the conversation elsewhere. As you can

see.
best

[rodeodance]

8. no, it is now------It started with the MLK comment by Hillary. Obama let the

toxic stuff be put in the stew (many blacks upset)---then after a few days he came out and said--gee her comments were not racial.
But the damage was done. and Obama's silence during those few days was very telling.

[flordehinojos]

21. rodeodance, even the MLK comment by hillary ... which essentially was that

MLK and Lyndon Johnson needed each other because without MLK johnson would not have had a civil rights bill to pass into law, and that without johnson MLK could not have gotten his "civil rights" passed was a factual statement.

it was not a racial slur. that was heard as a slur by people who misheard or misrepresented, people who fired up the rhetoric and yes ... obama let the toxic stuff go on and on, the same way that he did with the jesse jackson comment. he knew what he was doing. he was being pragmatic, as in letting others do the speaking for him that would bring the clintons down. he believes in not just being principled when others are being pragmatic. he believes in fighting for his principles with a pragmatic approach ... and letting the clintons be flamed by what he knew were false charges against the clintons was indeed his pragmatic approach to bringing up and stirring the racial divide, which the clintons thought, at least on their part, that was buried long ago.

clinton was called by toni morrison the first black president and he held that title until last weekend when dick gregory took it away by really inciting the panel and the crowd in the tavis smiley SBU forum when he used words to point to the fact that neither clinton, nor hillary, nor chelsea had ever been stopped by a cop for standing on a corner just because they were black. dick gregory opened up many wounds while donna brazille kicked her arms and legs up in the air and sheila jackson lee kept saying, very calmly, but look at the agenda, we have to look at the agenda... and the one new orleans resident who was a guest in that panel implored the audience there to vote BO so as to avenge (avenge is my word not hers but that was the implication) the slavery of "our" forefathers who were brought here into slavery.

the media has said not didly squat about it ... i happened to tune into it because i wanted to hear al sharpton, jesse jackson and others who were in that panel and with more or less refined words than those of dick gregory's they had the same message.

the agenda was no where on that stage, except for sheila jackson's lee, "we have to focus on the agenda" words.

[judaspriestess]

20. has Barack done anything for NOLA?

I never seem to hear anything. I am really bothered by the fact the Obama didn't show up to the BSU because he was "campaigning" BUT he had time to fly to NC to pander John Edwards. Which took about the same amount of time.

[Deep13]

22. "...many black elected officials not swearing allegiance to Obama..."

Jesus, why would they do that? Even if they support him, why on Earth would they be loyal to another politician. It is the supporter who deserves loyalty, not the supported.

This campaign has an undemocratic ugliness to it. Many (not all) O supporters seem to be on board as a reaction or out of a primative need to be led.