Du has become so sad, and I blame Obama. This is the first election

[saracat]

I can recall DUers telling other DUers they are not "welcome" if they do not support their choice of candidate.One of my favorite posters just told me I should find another site if I dislike Obama! I guess we now have to march in lock step or begone? As you all know I was an Edwards supporter and argue as I might with some other folks, including some Hillary supporters, I never felt anyone should be unwelcome, even those that hated john. This is really, really sad, and I do not think the division sowed by this "uniter" is going to be easily healed.

[rodeodance]

1. they i ws a johnny guy for along time--then i sat on the fence -then i went to Hillary--bu

in either case--it is indeed Obamanation, obamaDU out there.

sorry to hear you got stepped on by a fav. poster of yours. dammmmm!!
Its hurtful i know.

[saracat]

2. What is really strange is that the poster won't give it a rest. Seems to be looking for converts!

[libbygurl]

3. That's a fine way to convert people - step on them and insult them and tell them to go away...

...if they don't agree with the poster's views/candidate of choice? Even sadder that the poster was one of your faves.

Last January, I also came across an O supporter whom I thought more reasonable than usual, but then I noticed that her anti-H attacks would also veer into sheer mean-spiritedness and piling on on H supporters - she was one of the first I actually put on Ignore!

Just yesterday someone started a thread saying that H supporters were now 'spamming' the board - yes, when it's O supporters posting, it's OK, when it's not, it's called 'spamming'. They really believe in the site as ObamaUnderground, methinks:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4839086


Yup, these supporters of O are so hideously self-righteous in their attitude. Reminds me of the newly converted - who think that everyone else is inferior, lost and misguided, unlike them, who are the enlightened, chosen ones. Cult followers, anyone?

Eeek. In any case, the televangelist nature of O's campaign really, really puts me off.

[Qanisqineq]

4. I don't get it

Sometimes I think these people are worse than the rabid Bush supporters. I just sit here and shake my head whenever I read DU anymore.

[BlackVelvet04]

6. We're seeing the same phenomena....

just the left's version of it.

[JohnnyLib2]

5. Sad indeed. And I've had the horrifying thought that

somehow any and all troubles for Democrats in the next 2/3 years will continue to be blamed on the Clintons EVEN IF Obama is the nominee. The irrationality seems to be that strong in some quarters.

[libbygurl]

7. Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if Dems continue to beat up on the Clintons as badly as...

...the right wingnuts have. Agree with BlackVelvet up there - it's the Democratic version of the worshipful Bush bandwagon.

[BlackVelvet04]

9. and should Obama be the nominee he will get

as much support from me as bush did. :-)

[libbygurl]

17. Ditto. I guess people just don't learn, and history truly repeats itself! nt

[BlackVelvet04]

19. Always....

supposedly we study history to learn not to repeat it but it doesn't seem to work that way.

[flordehinojos]

8. so many republicans have signed on to the obama camp ...

so many of the obama gurus are playing dirt and divide in order to get obama to the white house ...

i just don't know if it is other democrats seeding all this hate and division, or if it is really republicans purporting to support obama who will turns against him in the GE if he gets on the ticket.

whatever it is, it is as others have said, a version of the bush play book being played by so called democrats on other democrats.

and, it is sad.

[libbygurl]

10. Good morning, flor! So nice to see you here!

I've admired your brave posts in GD-P, with all the hateful anti-Hillary and anti-H supporter comments that get thrown at you.

How're things in Florida this morning?

[flordehinojos]

13. hi lybbygurl ...

things in florida here this morning looking good ... on the political scene: (a couple of people from the neighborhood i talked to yesterday are hoping hillary gets on the GE ballot and say the people the know back in illinois are not obama supporters).

weather wise ... nice sunny but cool day--went out for a walk in the park earlier. it was really nice.

and ... thanks for keeping up with what goes on in GD-P posts... i take it as a temperature point on all the obamaspin that goes on out there.

it is nice to have a friend.

thanks.

:loveya:

[libbygurl]

15. Hey, good to have you on Hillary's side. And she's lucky to have you as a supporter, too.

Nice to know weather's good down there, and happy to hear that from your friends in the neighbourhood.

I'm still mad about the DNC punishing FL and MI for their earlier primaries - so what the Dem voters did matters not one whit to the DNC? (I'm also starting to dislike H Dean very, very much for how he's handled the primaries so far.)

Hey, like Hillary, you're one tough cookie! I admire that very much!

Have a good Sunday! Don't miss Hillary on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart Monday night (if you get that, but I'm sure the Internet will have clips of it soon after).

Ciao, bella!

[flordehinojos]

18. O:-)

:-)

[zabet]

11. On DU, it's

ALL OBAMA, ALL THE TIME. :puke:

I especially hate the countdown posters...
"only 3 more days and you will be gone".
Like we have to leave DU because we support
Hillary. Can you say lockstep? sheeple?
blind masses? Vaguely reminiscent of the
bushbots dontcha think?

[libbygurl]

12. Not vaguely to me - blatantly!

Yep, they're as repugnant as the Bush Republicans in their self-righteousness. I also hate these 'countdowners' who are writing obituaries of Hillary's bid - a few have been doing that since Iowa, too.

[zabet]

14. I was trying to be nice. :-)

The big difference is, these are
people who condemned the same actions
of the bushbots. These are the same
people who claim to be smarter than
the sheeple. You would think that as
progressive Democrats they would see that
they have become what they hated.

[libbygurl]

16. Oh, indeed. That's what's infinitely more disappointing with the Dems' version of it.

Even with the likely possibility that the O camp has been infiltrated by Repubs in Dem's clothing who are stirring up all this craziness, I'm still hugely surprised that so many would fall for the same televangelist gimmickry O keeps using!

Also read somewhere on this board that O actually had a mind control expert in his campaign? If true, that would explain a lot, wouldn't it?

[Chovexani]

20. The people who say Dean/Clark was this bad

Really have no idea what they're talking about.

I just hope that if McCain wins, the LGBT DUers won't be blamed like we were after Kerry lost. I think it would be 15 times worse this time. :(

[doeadeer]

21. Me too

I am a life long Democrat, older, been voting consistently
since I was 18.

I find now, if Obama wins the nomination, I cannot vote for
him. I won't vote for McCain, I could never support an
anti-choice candidate, so I'll vote for Nader or not at all.

The vehemence against Hillary by many Obama supporters has
been simply unbelievable. They are using exactly the same
words and the same smears that the Republicans once used
against Bill and Hillary (Karl Rove type smears). 

I call it the Republicanization of the Democratic Party. 

How were the Clinton White House years so terrible? There was
peace and prosperity, he got the deficit down to nothing, and
it was a good time for Democrats. Sure he made mistakes, and
he was never as liberal as I wished, but there was some
movement forward. 

Obama is drawing more and more Republicans, maybe that's why
all this Hillary demonization. If so, that is disturbing. If
not, that is also disturbing. 

I am totally turned off by Obama supporters, it's the most
hateful coalition I have ever seen. (Unless a lot ARE
Republicans and confusing the issue.)

The most sexist campaign I have ever seen. Disagreeing with
things Hillary has actually done is one thing. Calling her
names and just calling her sleazy based on untruthful
Republican smears is another thing.

Obama, if he is a man of high principle, could have called a
halt to the name calling a long time ago. And reinforced it.
He didn't. So I don't think it is now incumbent on Hillary to
call a halt to any bashing her supporters do. But most of them
don't bash, they just emphasize how experienced she is and how
inexperienced he is. Which, despite how Obama supporters might
not like it, is the truth.

This campaign has been way too sexist, for me a feminist, to
ever, ever vote for Obama. 

The best thing is if they both end up on the same ticket, then
wounds could start to heal. I think it's still not out of the
realm of possibility, though I'd like Hillary for Pres and
Obama for VP. But it would work the other way too.

I think it's the only way a whole lot of Democrats WON'T vote
for McCain or someone else or leave the party altogether.

[Qanisqineq]

22. Welcome to DU doeadeer

Is that doeadeer as in "doe, a deer, a female deer; ray, a drop of golden sun"? I agree with what you wrote. I used to really like Obama, voted for him for the US Senate (I was an Illinois resident at the time), and after both Biden and Edwards dropped out I was undecided between Clinton and Obama. I kind of leaned toward Hillary because she is a woman and I really want a woman president. But, I tried to keep that out of my mind and be open about both of them. It was the Obama supporters, the McClurkin thing, and other things that Obama has said that pushed me towards Hillary. The way the media treats her is atrocious.

I don't really get the absolute adoration of Obama. I feel left out when I listen to Obama supporters, I want to feel like they do, but I just can't get on that bandwagon. I've tried.

(excuse any bad spelling or grammar -- I took some Tylenol PM and it is really kicking in!)

[doeadeer]

23. Welcome to DU doeadeer

Well, I sort of get Obama, but no, not really.

The thing is basically he has lumped the Bush years and the Clinton years together in the label of divisiveness. But it is SO WRONG to lump Clinton together with Bush that it makes me see red.

The thing is younger voters didn't hear Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy when they were alive so they don't know what real oratory sounds like.

Obama is a very good speaker, but except for smiling, he is a poker face.

I feel no passion in his words, no emotions are conveyed to me, so, no, I don't really get it.

Personally, I have become quite cynical and just think he has a knack of telling people what they want to hear.

Which is a bit frightening, actually.

Especially since his record doesn't really back up what he says. Things like Hillary has actually worked more with Republicans than he has. Just words alone cannot change anything. Just saying he can doesn't prove anything. JFK had MUCH more substance when he ran as an fairly inexperienced and much younger man.

Glad to be here. :-)

The tide is turning. I think Hillary can pull it off. She's politically smart enough to ask him to VP too, I don't think he is politically smart enough to do the same in reverse. But you never know.

[Two Americas]

24. not much to add...

But I am trying to post in here periodically to express my support for Clinton folks, and to say as a person who has not been a Clinton supporter, that it is outrageous the way you are being treated.

This latest crap about the "is he a Muslim" question and Senator Clinton's response is just insane.