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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:45 AM
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Obama's distortions and dirty deeds seem to always fly under the radar. I think it is time
to start shoving the truth into the Obama supporters face. I'm tired of their hypocrisy and delusions about Obama's non existent sainthood.
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murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:14 AM
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1. I agree!! I'm sick of it too.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:37 AM
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2. I've been listening to the radio
I stopped listening to Stephanie Miller earlier this week or last week. Thom Hartmann and Bill Press have been good to listen to. Very neutral. After Hillary won TX, OH, RI -- not so much anymore. Especially the callers. Everyone calls in talking about the dirty, dirty campaign Hillary has run. The horrible things she's said. The race-baiting. I haven't heard the hosts disagree either. Granted, I did turn off Thom after less than an hour yesterday, but it was basically agreeing. Bill Press says it isn't as dirty as it could be but still seems to agree. Right now I'm listening to that annoying Air America dude Lionel and callers are talking about the race-baiting and the horrible stuff Bill Clinton said in South Carolina.

Augh! :banghead: Waaaaaaah, poor Obama.

What is Obama gonna do in the GE when things actually get dirty?
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vireo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:31 AM
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5. You lasted with Stephanie until last week?
I was a huge fan but gave up on her long ago, as have others here. (Ronny K. Marshall, are you still around?)

I do still listen to Thom, who does try to be even-handed, and Sam Seder, who, while I might disagree with him, at least rationalizes his qualified support for Obama in pragmatic terms and tries to be honest.
I've recently quit listening to Mike Malloy, whose anti-Clinton bias has taken him over the edge of late.

There seem to never be any examples of Hillary's "dirty" campaign tactics. Like Obama's candidacy, it's all just taken on faith.

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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:09 PM
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6. Yeah, I lasted that long
I live overseas so I listen to what I can and there are only a few channels (that I can find) that will allow people living overseas to listen anymore. It was either Lionel on Air America (from their site) or stations that had Stephanie Miller on at the same time. I finally couldn't take it anymore though and quit Stephanie. She was just a 3-hour long Obama infomercial. "He gives me hope!" :puke:
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vireo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:14 PM
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7. I think Steph has been in Hollywood too long
She has been swayed by superficialities and has taken leave of her political senses. But, then again, she voted for Reagan, so probably didn't have much sense to fall back on.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:21 PM
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8. LOL
"But, then again, she voted for Reagan, so probably didn't have much sense to fall back on."

That was funny! :rofl:
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feminazi Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:39 PM
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13. I don't listen to Thom as much any more.
I turned Steph off long ago; Randi more recently. I never listen to Malloy any longer since the local station moved him to later in the schedule. I don't miss any of them. I'm even having a hard time listening to Rachel these days. I think there must be something in the water at MSN-BO that's affecting her.

I don't expect any of them to be cheerleading for HRC. I just expect unbiased coverage. Their listener base is Democrats. I guess they haven't figured out that by alienating half their base, they're losing half their listeners.

I've started going to Taylor Marsh's blog for more balanced coverage. She's pro-HRC, but she will call her on any campaign stupidity. Taylor also has a radio show M-TH from 3:15 to 4:15 ET. At least that's one hour of sanity I can listen to. If you're going to catch her radio show, call in early because her traffic is way up recently and you'll most likely encounter a busy server.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:20 PM
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21. Only one I listen to is now is Bill Press. He tries to be fair, and mostly is.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:39 PM
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9. Stephanie has a new blog. Anybody have the link?
I'm thinking we all should sign up and - well - ya know ;)
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:42 PM
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10. does she?
gawd, it's probably Obama-this and Obama-that. Does she put STEPHANIE *heart* OBAMA all over it? "He gives me hope!"

Sorry, I just thought she acted like such a schoolgirl over Obama.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:57 PM
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24. Does he give her *chills* That always makes me want to blow chow when I hear it.
And I hear it a lot.
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vireo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:07 PM
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12. Link
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feminazi Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:43 PM
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14. Gosh, I can't believe you lasted with Stephanie that long either!
*
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:33 PM
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19. she is great, but she is scary, rabid pro-Obama-it's not fun
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:59 AM
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3. Here are some interesting links from
the same reporter that wrote 'Obama and Me'.
He was writing for the Illinois Times during
2004 when Obama was running for Senate.
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http://www.illinoistimes.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A3015

Some African-American colleagues who served with Obama during his seven-year tenure in the state legislature are now also grudgingly supporting him after they endorsed other candidates or remained neutral in the primary.

"Anybody but Obama," chimed one prominent black legislator, who asked not to be named, a week before the election.

Surprisingly, one such reluctant Obama supporter is state Rep. Monique Davis, D-Chicago. A 17-year veteran legislator, Davis sponsored a pair of significant bills -- one designed to track incidents of racial profiling, and another that mandates the taping of police interrogations in murder cases -- that were central to Obama's campaign platform.
Though she worked closely with Obama to pass the bills into law, and says she toiled to keep the bills alive before he became their Senate sponsor, Davis claims her efforts were largely ignored.
"I was snubbed," says Davis, who endorsed Hynes in the primary though she belongs to the same church as Obama on Chicago's South Side. "I felt he was shutting me out of history."
State Sen. Rickey Hendon, D-Chicago, the original Senate sponsor of both the racial profiling and videotaped confession bills, likewise felt overshadowed by Obama.
"I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen," says Hendon. "Barack didn't have to endure any of it, yet, in the end, he got all the credit.
"I don't consider it bill jacking," Hendon clarifies. "But no one wants to carry the ball 99 yards all the way to the one-yard line, and then give it to the half-back who gets all the credit and the stats in the record book."
Senate President Emil Jones, who endorsed Obama from the start of his campaign, aided the candidate by yanking Hendon off the high-profile bills and appointing Obama their new sponsor.
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http://www.illinoistimes.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A2984

During his morning church circuit, Obama makes no mention of the scandal that has engulfed Hull, who a week earlier was leading the Democrats by as much as 10 points in the polls. Rather, Obama touts his legislative achievements in the state Senate (last year he led the passage of a jaw-dropping 26 bills into law) and lays out his platform (he opposes the war in Iraq, NAFTA, tax cuts for the wealthy and ballooning budget deficits) in a scripted speech less than 10 minutes long.

A couple dozen handshakes later, Obama sweeps through the halls and out the door, where he flips open his cell phone -- "Don't take my picture," he warns, "or else I'll look like some self-important politician" -- and awaits the dark-blue Chevrolet Suburban with tinted windows that will whisk him off to another congregation less than a mile away.

Obama can thank his lucky stars for Senate President Emil Jones, for much of the progressive legislation he crafted would have surely been quashed under the Republican grip of Jones' long-serving predecessor, Pate Phillip.

Jones, along with political heavyweights U.S. Reps. Jesse Jackson Jr., D-Chicago, and Danny Davis, D-Chicago, threw his considerable clout behind Obama from the moment he announced his campaign several stories above the Loop in Chicago's posh Hotel Allegro.

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Here is the clincher! If he goes negative now, his
principles stated here are a blatant lie!!!!

http://www.illinoistimes.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A3690

"Progressives and Democrats," Obama says, "tend to get steamrolled by the other side, then whine about it afterwards, making them look both weak and petty.

"The best advice I can give is to be firm in your convictions without demonizing the other side. Stick with your core beliefs and describe them in commonsense terms.

"This approach makes people feel that you're not just an ideologue, but you're somebody who has the ability to listen to people."

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The links are worth the read. Obama ain't no
different than any other politician out there,
regardless of what he is telling everyone.

I do think before August, Obama will be a victim
of media fatigue, kinda like Brittney. Not that
he has been that stupid but, NO ONE wants to here
anymore about Brittney. I see that happening to
Obama, the media is already starting to nip at his
heels a little. He has run an 'American Idol' style
campaign, making it a popularity contest. I care
more about what is best for the country myself but,
then again, I have never been into fads either. ;)



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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:42 PM
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11. The best thing that is happening right now to Obama is
that, thanks to Hillary, he is forced to go negative....

and that is exactly what he claims he is against.

Hillary put him between a rock and a hard place :P
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:03 PM
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15. Actually he has been negative all along. I don't understand why the MSM or his delusional supporters
refuse to acknowledge it!
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:17 PM
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20. The race baiting is so obvious. Only way he could get the black community behind him was to
remake her into a racist. He doesn't care what he does to her reputation. He is dirty like Bush vs McCain in 2000.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 06:56 PM
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27. Great links citizen jane. Thanks.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:00 AM
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4. yes, obama steps on whoever he needs to step on if that gets him one step up the political ladder.
Todd Spivak documents it in his article OBAMA AND ME published by the dallas observer on 2/28/08 the link to which has been posted here before

and in case anyone wants to read the article, here is the link again,

http://dallasobserver.com/2008-02-28/news/obama-and-me/print

So, i know, based on obama's history and how he has already tried to smear hillary with false accusations of race baiting, that he is going to hit below the belt and hard ... the man is as much a power grabber as the bushes are. plain and simple.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:22 PM
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22. That link deserves a post in GDP! Go hit it! We got your back. Great and truthful piece!
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:30 PM
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16. well, one of my GD posts was locked and
it was an article about African American progressives+all progressives/vote and comparing Hillary's voting record with Obama's and are progressives doing enough to question Obama's work/policy positions, etc--before he becomes a nominee-apparently that was not acceptable for GD. I think it needs to be discussed. O well.
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vireo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:44 PM
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17. Could you post it here?
It might have been locked because it was not in GD-P.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:54 PM
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18. well, I will try to find it again-but it might be locked-DU is
very pro-Obama and they are not liking things these days.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:48 PM
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23. i have noticed that and was wondering if it was just me imagining things.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:44 AM
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26. it takes hours -days to get a vile hillary one locked-if then
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:35 PM
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28. yes, DU is a pander-fest to the alter of Obama
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:41 AM
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25. they do not listen to any truth--comments just get more vile.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:46 PM
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29. yes, Hillary has the Eleanor Roosevelt syndrome - no matter
what that woman did-and she generally did alot of good-she was perpetually villified.
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