My post in response to a question about why I feel barack doesn't want MY vote!

[saracat]

Because I read his book and I also listened to his comments regarding "boomers"

Why should I be interested in anyone who has disdain for a group I belong to? I will see if I can locate exactly what he said but it was words to the effect that baby boomers haven't any value and their time is done. It is hard to vote for someone who insults you.When you insult a voter you are telling them you don't want their vote.

I found quotes like this from Dreams from my Father offensive:
He states that while he found it "painful"to entertain a politics that indulges "rage towards whites generally" because it "contradicted the morality my mother taught me that character counts more than race and distinctions have to be made between individuals of goodwill and those who wished me ill". He states that this framework of morality his mother taught him was"perhaps a framework that blacks in this country could no longer afford.".

In another place he writes"For many blacks times were chronically desperate.If nationalism could create a strong and effective insularity, deliver on its promise of self respect, then the hurt it might cause well meaning whites, or the inner turmoil it caused people like me. would be of little consequence."

If he feels that hurt he may cause me is of "little consequence" , I don't really see how that is encouraging me to vote for him.

I was proud to support John Edwards because he pledged to stand up to the corporations and the health care industry. I was shocked and insulted, when, in Iowa, in a variation of John's "seat at the table comments, Barack , instead of supporting those ideas, "guaranteed "corporations and the health care industry a "seat at the table".As a person who is struggling with a health condition the fact that he, unlike Edwards, is willing to start negotiating with these corporations who victimize us, by giving them something, causes me to feel insulted and betrayed. To begin by giving means, as John Edwards said, "they will eat all the food". This is not the way to bargain. To give parity to our abusers is saying you don't want our vote.

He also wants a continuation of the "reach across the aisle " politics that have been proved ineffective with Pelosi and Reid.He wasn't even able to do it himself in the US Senate.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. "Reaching across the aisle doesn't work." That is why we are "still" in Iraq. Barack isn't an agent of "change" he is the status quo in a different guise. It is insulting to think that he feels we don't recognize that.

No. I don't feel Barack wants my vote. He wants to be elected it is true but not by people like me. People such as myself should just crawl off and disappear.That is the way he makes me feel.
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[anamandujano]

1. There may be a nuance that you missed somehow.

He alienates more than he unites. It gets smoothed over every time.

[saracat]

2. They don't believe that no matter what.I had already been told several times it doesn't matter as

they will replace me with more of their kind.

[anamandujano]

3. Since each of them probably has three monikers here, it won't make any difference.

If you give me a link, I will go over there and post that.

[Hoof Hearted]

13. more of their kind. AKA - Pod People.

I love you Saracat.

I've been a Hillary supporter from the start, but I miss John Edwards, BAD.

[tekisui]

4. delete.

Sorry, to cause any trouble over here. I honestly would like conversation, it is hard to get it in GD:P.

No hard feelings, I hope.

:hug:

[libbygurl]

5. Okay, I will ask you to keep the Hillary-bashing out of this board.

I'm not liking at all where you're going with this. We really don't need anymore hate-Hillary threads in this place. Why don't you join the thousands of other anti-Hillary threads in GD-P with your 'what will Hillary do to change the status quo' flame baiting question.

And I don't buy at all your qualified definition of 'Hillary supporter' there. This forum is for those who do advocate for Hillary NOW, not only during the GE.

[tekisui]

6. I am sorry.

I wasn't trying to cause any trouble, honestly. I'll edit it all out. I just posted my thought.

[libbygurl]

9. No hard feelings. Thank you for your consideration.

I'm sorry if I came across as too harsh in my reply. I (and many others here) have just about had it with the predominance of anti-Hillary hatefests on DU, and this forum is the only sanctuary remaining for those of us who truly admire the Senator from New York.

:hi:

[tekisui]

10. You will see no criticism of her, here from me.

Please, keep your passion going, and enjoy the sanctuary. GD:p is an ugly place these days.

:hi:

[saracat]

7. I know you are sincere. I do not believe Barack will bring any change because of his history. He

is actually more of a self interested politico than Hillary and a product of machine politics. A man named Jones, who was in the Illinois State house decided to make himself a "US Senator and during Bracks last year in the state senate credited him with other peoples work to build up his resume. They were passed because that was the only year they has a dem majority. Much bitterness still exists on the part of the legislators whose work was stolen. Barack has never actually run a competitive campaign. He has, instead "cleared the field" by political machinations. He eliminated all his primary opponents by questioning their signatures and so had no contest for his seat. His Federal Senate election enabled him to run with virtually NO opposition. Jack ryan dropped out due to "someone". leaking the salacious details of his divorce and the GOP flew in Alan keyes from Maryland which was the equivalent of running against a small soap dish.

Barack is always talking about "working with the GOP" and reaching across the aisle" He talks about his admiration for the GOP. Well, that is the exact opposite of Edwards. Edwards himself said, after he withrew that he didn't think "Barack was enough of a fighter". Remember how John was going to go after the heath care and insurance industries and the corporations? In Iowa, Barack announced he would "guarantee those people a seat at the table". John said "you never give them a seat at the table.they eat all the food" and he was right. Michelle Obama is a corporate attorney who is employed by the health care industry to represent them. Part of the Obama's family worth stems from the very victims they claim to want to help. This isn't like a hedge funds.She represents those people in court, and not one person is suggesting her employment is unacceptable as she talks of health care.
Speaking of health care, Hillary did steal John's and now I am glad she did. It is at least one way to make it happen. Hillary is the only candidate that care about heath care left.When does Barack speak about it? He actually isn't in favor of universal health care. Hillary has much better bonafides on health care, which is a big issue for me. She tried and failed to bring it about in the 90's, but at least she tried.When Barack had health care as an issue, in Illinois he folded to the lobbyist interest.

Hillary has fought for "change all her life. From her ground breaking speech against the Vietnam war when she was valedictorian at Wellesley, to her stand on health care, to her fight for women's rights as human rights all around the world and her intervention for the rights of children and the elderly. She also stood up to the RW spin machine and fought for her husband's reputation and her own,She is having to stand up and fight the raw sexism and bigotry of the Obama machine even now.

Barack is not capable of bringing any kind of change to government because he doesn't even know what change is. he has stated the efforts of the 60's in civil and human rights mean "nothing" to him. He has never even caused any positive change to take place in his state let alone a nation.He is the very definition of the Daly machine politician and wants to bully his way into office. He doesn't offer "hope" . He offers worse than status quo politics.He offers us a very similar politician to Bush who also said he was a "uniter." Obama wasn't able to reach out once and accomplish anything in his 2 years in the Senate, though he had some great opportunities.His fellow legislators in Illinois claim he didn't do mit there either .Hillary has some notable accomplishments of working with the other side and getting things done even as we were in the minority.

I didn't start out, as you know, supporting Hillary.I was very hard on her but at this point, and at this time, she is the ONLY candidate that can is able to bring "real" change to this nation.

[tekisui]

8. Thanks.

:thumbsup:

I will vote for the Dem in November. I appreciate what you have to say.

[Horse with no Name]

11. Perfection. Sheer perfection.

:thumbsup:

[zabet]

12. Excellent!

:applause: