I'd like y'all to carefully follow this thread

[theHandpuppet]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5037120&mesg_id=5037120

Starting at post #55 I am asking questions. I think you will find the answers get more interesting as the discussion goes on.

[zabet]

1. Interesting.

You are asking some excellent
questions. The only Obama supporter
I know is a Republican and makes no
bones about the fact that he thinks
McCain is too liberal for his tastes.

[theHandpuppet]

3. Very revealing isn't it?

And even moreso as the discussion goes along. From the responses and lack of questions from the Obama supporters, it's obvious they couldn't give a flying firk about the Democratic Party, its principles or its platform. All they care about is Obama. I could say a lot more but it wouldn't be anything nice.

[xmas74]

2. This is the same crap I've heard from

any Obama supporter over the age of 25.

"I am a Republican but I'm voting him..."

[theHandpuppet]

4. Yeah, but start asking a few probing questions...

... and you have to wonder what they see in Obama, don't ya? The only "change" we're headed for is the transformation of the Democratic Party into the New Republicans. Hate to say it, but it's time for a third party. I don't believe there's room in this one any longer for a Democrat like me.

[xmas74]

5. I know the Repubs who are saying this.

It's either for one of two reasons: they are flipping their vote in November for McCain (which is quite possible) or they are creating their own party of sorts.

I know that, as a white single mother in my thirties living in the Midwest (that's a mouthful!) I feel as if I've been pushed out of the Dem party. I've raised similar questions before with some of the nastier posters here about what they were doing for other Dems-local, state-besides Obama and I've yet to get an answer.

I have to wonder if I'm voting Dem now on a local and state level while shopping for a good third party on the national level. I'm starting to get the feeling that most want me to leave, except I've already promised my support to some local Dems and will always give my support to my US Rep until he decides to leave office.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

6. I've never considered 3rd party before ... but I am now.

[Mark Twain Girl]

7. Obamacrats? I don't want to belong to a party of one personality

I want to belong to a party that fights for universal health care, reduced defense spending, LGBT rights, education and retirement, unions and workers. This should be about the people, not about a particular politician. To me, that's so... disempowering. What, when Obama retires, they all go away again?

And here's the other thing -- if these converts care about issues like LGBT rights (which this poster said he did), why aren't they pressing their own leaders on these points?

I don't think there's room in the Obamacrat/New Dem party for me, either. What's confusing me is progressives acting like they have common cause with Repubs crossing over to do... what? Anything more that vote for Barack Obama? What on earth do they think will happen??

[theHandpuppet]

8. Well if Obama becomes President...

There are gonna be a LOT of people who are going to end up surprised with what they get... and I wonder who those folks might be. I know it won't be those of us in this little Democratic oasis, but the Obamacrats will have a lot of 'splaining to do.

[Mark Twain Girl]

13. You're right, and I'm already feeling a growing anger as to where

this will likely go.

If Obama becomes president, and the "compromises" start rolling down the hill like shit, this will be sequence:

1) His supporters will blindly justify anything and everything the leader does. The idealistic movement of hope and unity will become hard-nosed policy wonks, insisting that anyone who doesn't agree simply can't comprehend the complexities of the legislative process. In short, the Obamacrats will sneer at "purists", "dreamers", and "idealists" who want something better than compromise with the right wing and corporate power.

1a) Obama supporters will be shocked, SHOCKED I TELL YA, when KO does a special comment that actually dares to criticize President Obama and the Obamacrats. They will claim he was always a hack, just like Paul Krugman always was.

2) A few Obama supporters will begin to have buyer's remorse. Slight at first, but growing with each compromise and realization. "Hey, he really ISN'T going to repeal NAFTA...?" "Hey, he really won't use the bully pulpit for gay rights after all?" "Hey, he'll say one thing and do another?"

3) The faithful and the small fringe of doubters will clash. "He isn't going to fix NAFTA?" "Come on, NAFTA isn't THAT bad, and he did what he could, it's the process, why are you looking for, perfection?! HE'S BETTER THAN BUSH!!"

4) The underground of the former underground (that would be us), cast out for refusing the Obama Message, will watch the fringe say "um... oops." Reactions will vary. Insert your own amusement/rage/cynicism/disgust. This stage will include a few muted mea culpas from the media stooges.

5) In the meantime, the converts and trolls who joined in the circle jerk of hate against Clinton will have peeled away to watch the fireworks, and occasionally come 'round to stoke the flames of outrage, real and imagined.

6) You and your loved ones will not have decent and affordable health care, unless you're among the upper elite. New shadowy and distracting external enemies will have to be chased as the economy spirals, and in the meantime, the lines at the pump grow. And what happens next?

God. Bless. America.

[saracat]

9. I asked him about "choice" because I noticed he didn't answer about that? I wouldn't be

surprised if he is "pro life" anti- choice!

[Catchawave]

10. I smell bullsh*t.....what fellow "marines" does he speak of ?

They can't be active duty, or reserves on active duty (400? if they're on a drill weekend = active duty).

I attended the Vote Vets panel at Yearly Kos last summer, and a reservist showed up to protest the meeting, in uniform. He was escorted out of the conference room as in defiance of the UCMJ. Had he refused to leave, the authorities and his commanding officer would be called.

I didn't leave a comment because of the gray areas (GOTV?) in what's accepted with our military getting involved in politics.

[Catchawave]

12. I found the UCMJ code as applied to Active Duty

A member on AD shall not:

(1) Use his or her official authority or influence for interfering with an election; affecting the course or outcome of an election; soliciting votes for a particular candidate or issue; or requiring or soliciting political contributions from others.

(2) Be a candidate for, or hold, civil office except as authorized in subsections D.2. and D.3., below.

(3) Participate in partisan political management, campaigns, or conventions.


There's more at: http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/defense_ethics/ethics_regulation/1344-10.html

[vireo]

19. See Demo5's post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=334x5959

[xmas74]

11. In that thread I've once again

been informed that I cannot be a Dem if I don't bow down and kiss O's ass.

Turns out for most of the posters state and local elections don't much matter anymore. The only thing that does matter is crowning him the leader of all the lands.

[saracat]

14. This is his answer on choice.Also very telling. My answer is below

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5037120&mesg_id=5040231

[theHandpuppet]

15. Welcome to the New Republican Party!

I noticed NONE of the Obama supporters have even bothered to ask questions of this poster. As long as he loves Obama to hell with everything else! He's a REPUBLICAN through and through who only vowed, in his words, to "vote for Obama this cycle".

This is who they want in their Obamanation, and Democrats like us are OUT.

This kind of personality cult is how it starts. Does anyone else hear the hoofbeats of fascism on the march?

[golddigger]

16. Yep, what did he say he was? Obamacan, the new third party?

:crazy: :silly:

[golddigger]

17. OBAMACANS R US111!!!1111!!!!

[vireo]

18. He forgot the halo in the OP

Sam Seder bases his support for Obama on the assumption that he would get more Dems elected downticket due to an insurgence of "new voters." I see little evidence to support this. Maybe some of these erstwhile Repugs will lazily vote straight Dem, but many southern states don't allow for that.

[NastyRiffraff]

20. Very interesting...the CATO Institute??

And his answer on small government smacks of the bathtub comment (help me out here...who said he'd like the government to fit into a bathtub?)

[vireo]

21. Grover Norquist

Although, like this guy, they always exempt the military.

[NastyRiffraff]

23. Thanks

I had his name somewhere in my brain, but I couldn't locate it!

[kikiek]

22. I get the feeling he is not sharing all of his views.