I'm resigned

[BlackVelvet04]

to the fact that there is no reasoning with Obama supporters....one can't even have a discussion with them so it has become pointless. I've had more rational discussions with rabid rightwingers. Please understand if I don't join in your threads in GD: P.

I also have to say that Hillary Clinton hasn't made life easier for herself or her supporters. She has made some comments that just shouldn't have been made. Why, I don't know, but I have to say that her campaign has been very poorly run.

Unfortunately we are probably going to have Obama as the nominee and if that happens I am done with the Democratic party and politics.

[jillan]

1. Hillary needs to

deal with the Ferraro comments and the impression that she supports McCain... and I fault her for that.

There is only one reason that I will vote for Obama - Supreme Court judges...and that's it.

[DURHAM D]

2. What is your number one issue with the court?

And, what makes you think Obama's choices would be any different that McCain's?

I had this discussion this morning with a friend and we couldn't really come up with a reason for our assumption that Obama would be better on this issue. Our fall back position (We will hold our nose and go ahead and vote for Obama.) all of a sudden seemed very weak upon closer examination. Obama is status quo guy - part of the reason Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi and others support him over Hillary.

Choice is not Obama's passion. He seems negative toward the gay community. He is not opposed to tax dollars going for vouchers if they work - whatever that means? He clearly has no positive agenda regarding women. We have no reason to think he will go after malfeasance in office. What would be his overriding principle for picking a S.C. justice? I can't find one.

[saracat]

3. That has been the point I have made repeatdly. Add to those points how many

times he has indicated he wants"bipartisanship" and how much he "respects " the GOP.It sounds dreadful , I know , as "choice is my passion but I really don't car if McCain defeats Obama. I see little difference between the two. And I don't believe Obama will bring the trrps home sooner. he, with no miltary acumen at all, will have to do even more to establish his "tough " bonafides than Hillary. And he is a male.And yes, I can say that without being sexist.

[jillan]

4. The only thing that worries me is that McCain is pro-life, and I

*believe* Obama is pro-choice.

The truth is, we don't know shit about Obama, do we?

[rodeodance]

15. he says he is. pro-choice.

[DURHAM D]

20. Please see my comment #19 in response. eom

[DURHAM D]

19. Obama says that abortion is a "moral" choice.

That statement frightens me. It brings sin into the equation. It is a biased view based on his church/faith. That is not the right way to talk about choice if you are a Dem - this is how Republicans talk about choice.

To me his belief suggests that he won't be careful with regard to S.C. selections regarding this issue. He simply doesn't have much concern about it. Actually, I don't think he has much concern about anything that liberal Democrats care about.

[rodeodance]

5. hey bv. I understand about not going out there. I have been thinking of one of the issues that

i just can not grasp--that being the VP issue.

it was kinds cute when she first said it--on the trail--more jokedly as i heard it. then she went on with it.

well.......now BO is moking her and doing a good job of it.
wish she would drop it.

[BlackVelvet04]

7. It's like someone has been sabotaging her campaign

from within. As a supporter even I am sick of hearing the day one meme. She should have stomped on Geraldine Ferraro's comments. She should never have brought McCain into the issue of experience. Etc. etc. What the hell is going on? And what WAS her point on LBJ signing the civil rights bill? Seriously, what was the point of bringing him up? So many things I just completely do not understand.

I definitely think she is the best qualified and I think she is a smart, hardworking, incredible woman, but her campaign has sucked.

[rodeodance]

9. guess i will disagree with GR issue-But, once it became an issue within

the context of Step powers leaving--maybe she should have gone. i vascilate with that one.
GF is a strong woman--on her own merits. I can see why she won't to stay.
it had to be a tough issue between them.
And now i just read she will be leaving. after fighting it for a few days this looks even worse!

[rodeodance]

12. Day one--you

put your finger on it. most of the example that she has run up against-have been trouble for her.

it comes back to her theme--experience.
she is a woman,she had to show she is ready. you know that--i don't have to tell you that.

but it has been a problem for her--

[DURHAM D]

18. Wrong on Ferraro - You should look deeper at the Geraldine situation.

Did you watch her interview with Diane Sawyer? Did you listen to Tweety tonight? Obama race baiting bullshit strategy.

As for the McCain thing - a dumb comment.

With regard to the LBJ signing the civil rights bill you must have only read the NY Times and other newspapers and all of the media's edited versions of what she said. They left out two or three important sentences in the middle. Again race baiting bullshit strategy by Axelrod and Obama.

The Obama campaign strategy - Race baiting swiftboating then, race baiting swiftboating now, race baiting swiftboating tomorrow. You have to pay close attention to their sinister and cynical strategy.

[BlackVelvet04]

21. I think you misunderstand what I am saying....

I agree with what Hillary said about LBJ....but why make that point? And I don't disagree with Ferraro...but it's best left unsaid.

I know that what is being said is being twisted but I just don't think they were things that needed to be said in the first place. In other words, play defense and don't give your enemy ammunition.

[anamandujano]

6. Let me slightly disagree.

The MSM takes everything Hillary says and makes it into an example of a badly run campaign.

They allow the nightmareish Obama stuff to go by without a blink.

I think you should try to fight being swept up in this.

Everyone makes mistakes, and I'm not even saying these two examples are mistakes, but rarely are they blown out of proportion as we see every day.

The freaks posting in GD-P have worn you out. That is their job.

[BlackVelvet04]

8. No, most of these things I heard

myself first and thought WTF?

[anamandujano]

10. More than what Obama has done?

That's not possible.

I think that they have managed to make everyone hypersensitive to whatever goes on each day and turn it on Hillary.

I'm not disrespecting your experience, so please forgive me if it seems that way.

[BlackVelvet04]

11. I quit listening to Obama.....

I don't support him and I was sick of listening to his bullshit.

I'm sorry but I have to call them like I see them. I knew when the LBJ statement was made that it was a serious error....not because it wasn't true but because it would be twisted to mean something it didn't.

[rodeodance]

14. you were way ahead of me bv. i had heard her say it-well read it actually-

they replayed it over and over later. i did not expect the backlash--from the black o.surrogates--.

naive--I was. just did not.

[DURHAM D]

22. But you heard it from the media as they happily ripped and read every

spinning, trumped up, bullshit email they got from David Axelrod.

[liberalnurse]

13. I disabled the GD-Prime Forum from my Latest Page.

We are boycotting the Obamarites in GD-Prime. Soon, they can only consume each other.

Here are the instructions:


How to HIDE threads posted in the General Discussion: Primaries forum, so you will not see them on the Latest page.

If you wish to avoid seeing threads from the General Discussion: Primaries forum, you can set your preferences so that they will not appear on the Latest Page. Here's how:

Just click the "Options" icon at the top of any page, and then click "Edit your preferences" to go to the Preferences page. Scroll partway down the page until you see the words "Hide General Discussion: Primaries from the Latest page?" Select "yes," then click the "Update" button at the bottom of the page.

And, of course, if you want to avoid seeing threads about the Democratic presidential primaries, you should avoid entering the General Discussion: Primaries forum.

[DemCam]

16. I'm sick SICK of the very word Obama...

I had nitrous at the dentist today and nearly came flying
out of the chair because the radio was chanting O_BA_MA
just like that spoof of the video....you know the one..

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/11/mocking-obama-and-markos-because-they-deserve-it-open-thread/

Resistance is futile.

I'm sick of his campaign hurling accusations at any Clinton supporter...that ugly self-serving
manipulative accusation...racist.

It's as egregious in these circumstances as a woman yelling rape to get even with a guy.

It cannot be allowed. It is just as manipulative as any propaganda campaign by authoritarians
anywhere. It's the way he's always conducted himself, it seems.

We've got Pennsylvania and Puerto Rico and the re-dos of MI and Fl. We cannot let this bullying stand.

[libbygurl]

17. Amen. I'm feeling the same way about all things BO as I did about */Cheney.

And so that's saying a lot, since * made me want to hurl every time I saw him on tv or heard him on the radio - quickly changed the station, or shut it off totally.

Good heavens, there are repulsive cultists everywhere I turn, whether right wing or (?questionable) left wing!

I am with you on this, DemCam. Sick, sick, sick of it. I'm sticking with Hill all the way.

[BlackVelvet04]

24. Maybe the obama phenomenon is our

judgment for judging the bushbots. ;-) It's so damn embarrassing seeing part of the Democratic party going the way the bush supporters did.

Remember when using religion as a political device was frowned upon? Not any more according to obamabots.

The only tiny bit of good I can see is my ability to now show liberals why it has been impossible for mainstream Christians to rein in the Christian fundamentalists.......they now see how impossible it is to rein in zealots.

[BlackVelvet04]

23. Oh, God, YES....

I turned on CNN one day and the first words I heard were Barack Obama....so I switched channels to MSNBC and the first words I heard were Barack Obama....so I switched back to CNN and again the first words I heard were Barack Obama. I finally gave up and switched to HGTV. Not the most exciting stuff to watch but I didn't have to hear his fucking name again for awhile.

[calico1]

25. Until recently I also thought the *only* reason why

I would vote for Obama is the Supreme Court.

But you know what? I am 50 next week. The choice issue doesn't affect me personally anymore. And sometimes I think maybe it's time for the younger generation, especially the ones who like to throw us older people under the bus all the time to fight all over again for all the things they so take for granted that they have now thanks to older people that they now have no use for..

And besides, I am not so sure that Obama would pick Progressive judges. I have pointed this out a few times before --- he reminds me a LOT of Joe Lieberman. I have a feeling he will want to work closely and "cooperate" with Republicans. Why do something so controversial as pick Liberal judges? No, he will probably pick a "Moderate" like Alito.

So I basically have no motivation at all to vote for him.