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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 11:17 PM
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Help for my brother
Hi....my brother is an alcoholic and he's in the hospital right now, recently being diagnosed with cirrhosis and liver nodules. He has a build up of fluid in his abdomen, leaking through his navel. He's 49.

My other brother and I have offered to give him part of our livers if he stops drinking, and if it would work. He's agreed to get help.

I don't understand this, but my sister in law, married to the brother with the liver problem, doesn't want us to even bring up the fact that we would help him, to the point of saying she will bar me and my other brother from seeing him. She said it would upset him. (???)

Can she do this? Do we need to get a lawyer? I don't want to see my brother waste away and die if we can help him with our livers.

Thanks, I know someone here will have experience and point me in the right direction.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 01:14 AM
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1. Welcome Holly.
I'll make a quick stab at your question. You said your brother has agreed to get help; has he agreed to accept liver donations? Is he aware of your offers? I recommend that you write what you recall of these events: when, under what circumstances, witnesses, condition of sick brother (drunk, sober, in pain, under visible duress?)

Is sister in law an addict of any sort? Children? Life insurance? (Sorry for this.)

Are you able to speak with brother's doctors? are you in fact able to speak with your brother? Important to learn his physical condition: would transplants likely work? If you don't have permission, through brother, to discuss matter with docs, you'd prolly have to obtain such. Its possible you'd need lawyer to help get you through this; wife should not be able to prevent your offers from being followed up.

Has he ever agreed to get help before? Has he been 'upset' before by people discussing his alcoholism with him?

If he's in hospital he's sober, I assume, and that's the only time to discuss such matters with an alcoholic.

Sorry this is so badly organized, but I'd like to get it off to you quickly. FIRST, look into his condition with docs.

Keep in touch.

Good luck.
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:56 AM
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2. Thank you for the reply and the welcome
To answer your questions - I told my brother on the phone last night that me and my other brother were willing to give him part of our livers if it was possible. He didn't say much, but I'm sure after thinking about it for a while, would let us help. It's his wife that's the problem. She thinks keeping information from him is helping him.

He's going through withdrawal at the moment. He drinks 6 beers/day and has been doing so for over 30 years.

My sister in law is an enabler, maybe codependent too? She's always said that she saw no problem with him drinking a few beers every day. Obviously, she was wrong. My family is well aware of what daily alcohol use can do, and we encouraged my brother to cut down or quit on several occasions. He didn't listen, but I do understand an alcoholic's reactions to such suggestions.

There is one 12 year old daughter from this current marriage, and 2 adult children from his first marriage, in college. There are 3 teenage boys from her first marriage, still living with them.

My brother was laid off from his job in October, so he has no life insurance or health insurance. He's collecting unemployment and using his IRA to make up the difference to pay the bills. He had a very good paying job, but worked for an automotive supplier that went out of business. There is mortgage life insurance, she would get the house free and clear in the event of his death. She refuses to find a job - she says she's afraid to leave him alone.

She drinks too, but not daily. The older kids drink. Alcoholism runs in our family and I overcame a drinking problem in my 20's. I'm now 51. My younger brother doesn't drink much, a few beers once/month if at all - he's allergic to hops and he gets severe congestion and sneezing from beer.

My brother has never admitted he had a problem before and would emotionally shut down and leave if the topic was brought up.

I read alot last night on line about liver failure - at this point, he has 3 to 5 years survival without a liver transplant, and 10 years with a liver transplant. Although, the transplant might be a moot point since he doesn't have health insurance.

My sister in law asked me not to tell my Mom how severe it is - she's afraid my Mom will confront her about enabling. I told my Mom anyway, I don't believe in keeping secrets, especially in such a serious matter. My Mom has seen many of her aunts and uncles die of liver failure from alcoholism, so she would figure it out on her own anyway.

I won't be able to speak to him after he gets out of the hospital, she will censor phone calls, she's told me as much. I truly don't understand. My brother is terribly depressed, and rightly so, after losing his job and now this. I asked my sister in law to talk to his doctors about depression medication, if he could take it. She said he doesn't need it.

I doubt I can speak to his doctors - she hasn't left the hospital in 3 days except to eat. I was able to talk to my brother late last night on the phone - she happened to be in the restroom and he answered the phone in his room.

I'll talk to my other brother about getting a lawyer to help us. I really despise having to do so. It's almost like she wants total control over him. Does she want a house free and clear so badly that she would sacrifice his life for it?

There's no guarantee he would even be a candidate for our livers, but shouldn't it be discussed? I'm lost here and truly don't understand her behavior or reaction.

I've always felt she used him so she wouldn't have to work, but I've always had a friendly relationship with her.

Thanks so much.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 05:47 PM
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3. Dear Holly,
so sorry to say this, but it doesn't sound to me that he's ready to do the 'fight' it would take either to stop drinking or have liver surgery; sound as if family enabling is major handicap.

PEACE to you
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:23 PM
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4. Agreed....
No matter how much I want my brother to live, I can't force the will to live on him.

How do I deal with the anger, both with him and his spouse?

Thanks once again.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:06 PM
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5. Holly, Your anger?
You might find al anon helpful; their 'mantra' is essentially that you/we should let go of control, and/or any thoughts that we have ability to control others. That may or may not 'satisfy' your anger.

Peace
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 06:06 PM
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6. That makes sense
Today, I'm trying not to get angry that she's barred me from seeing him. I don't know why she's afraid of me.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 07:10 PM
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7. Maybe not afraid of you?
Afraid of the whole alcoholic issue, which she's afraid of as she knows her behavior has been 'bad?'
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 03:22 AM
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8. Ah, yes. Thank you for helping me figure it out.
You're right on the mark.

I truly appreciate your insights. Thanks so much.

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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:14 PM
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15. At this point it would be good to find a good rehab for him
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 03:10 PM
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9. Holly, I have no idea where to begin.

Ellen has given you some great advice, here.

As his sister, don't you have a right to speak with your
brother's doctors?

If you do, please find out as much as possible about his condition
and their prognosis for him.

Your SIL has some very serious problems.
It sounds like she is threatened by recovery- many are, especially
if they are actively drinking and/or using themselves.

You are so in my prayers and thoughts.

Please keep us posted.

:hug:
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:49 PM
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10. Update
Day 8 of withdrawal: He's still hallucinating, they removed the ventilator, he's in a diaper from diarrhea from the tube feedings. He can't sit up. He couldn't remember his wife's name. He's in and out of consciousness.

His wife has given us little information and the nurses won't answer questions. I talked to an attorney, the only person with rights is his wife, because we're not on his HIPPA form.

They delivered a tray with regular diet food on it, of course he couldn't eat it by himself. When his wife got there, she tried to feed a little to him.

He's asking what is wrong and why is he there. The nurse said she told him that his drinking hurt his liver.

I'm going to an Al Anon meeting tomorrow (Monday).

He was hallucinating that he saw me and asked me to move out of the way.

Thank you all so much for your advice and support.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:19 PM
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11. Holly I'm so sorry
:hug:

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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:20 PM
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12. Holly,
sounds like things are moving along, and I'm very glad you're planning to attend al anon. Keep in mind that it will prolly take a few visits to aclimate, AND there are more than one group around.

We're with you!

Peace
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Justpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:23 PM
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13. .


:hug:


I'm glad you are going to Al Anon tomorrow. I'll be thinking of you and hoping you
get the support you need.

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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:28 PM
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14. Oh Holly,
I'm so sorry :hug:

I hope you find a lot of help and support
at your meeting, today.
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