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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-26-07 10:19 PM
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Conquest (crosspost)
Edited on Wed Sep-26-07 11:07 PM by lwfern
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:09 PM
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1. Wow.
I noticed our friend from the other thread was back to let us know that it's all the wimmenz fault. :eyes:

I think we have ourselves a NiceGuy(tm) on our hands.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 03:51 PM
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2. Someone should link him to HBI. (n/t)
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 12:45 PM
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3. Behind the patriarchal quest to dominate is fear and lack of self-esteem . . ..
perhaps even self-hatred behind the violence -- ??

Once the few/patriarchy establishes status thru power over others, then it will be both males and females who will be drawn to the powerful in self-protection.

And, I think the idea that we have to "define" masculinity in a rigid way, in itself, suggests that males have to be united in some uniform display of behavior. Nature is diverse -- there are probably many ways to be masculine, but patriarchy has been controlling and defining masculinity as aggressive, exploitive -- especially of females.

The idea that males are naturally violent I think is probably wrong because nature isn't suicidal and violence -- whether against nature, natural resources, animal-life -- will bring suicide to humanity as we can see right now from overpopulation, pollution and Global Warming.

Women are patriarchy's primary enemies --
exploitation, violence, intimidation, oppression the tools of control.
Patriarchal leaders feared nature, especially in the new world --
almost everything in nature has been attacked -- exploited, ripped down, destroyed.

What I mainly see behind patriarchy and conquest -- basically, the desire by the few to dominate others -- is fear.

I've always looked at violence as a problem with self-esteem . . . .



"The loveless crave power because they lack both love and self -- "

Betty Friedan

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