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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 01:03 AM
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Am I the only one....?
...that is feeling "weird" about what I'm seeing on DU regarding Obama and Hilary? Some people seem MORE interested in her sex and his race than anything else, and that feels frankly kinda' creepy. :scared:

I see posts asking "what women think" about Hilary, but from people that don't give a shit what we think or feel about anything else. Then people within the thread saying "they" think this or that(referring to women). Um...excuse me. But when did we become "they?" :shrug: Some unnamed entity with no voice. We're very vocal on this board, and I don't get that some are only interested in what we have to say now that it's "voting time" and a woman is in the running.

I've seen similar posts from people asking "what blacks as a group" will do regarding Obama. Excuse me for a minute...

:wtf:

Ok, I'm back. Seriously--really offensive stuff. As if people are referring to some alien life form that is incapable of speaking, or expressing themselves as individuals. Some of the posts talk about blacks/african americans like "things." Items belonging to the democratic party, but not actually individual human beings that happen to consider voting the democratic ticket.

Some of the threads, I peeked in on and got disgusted and moved on. Others I felt compelled to comment on, as I just couldn't believe anyone in 2007 could refer to women and people of color this way. (Though, given some of the other things I've seen on DU I'm not at all sure why I would be shocked :eyes:)

So, please someone, anyone...am I the only one feeling a kind of (ahem) offended and objectified by such discussions? :shrug::crazy:
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 08:58 AM
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1. I've been trying to ignore them.
How about those threads, "Feminists, what do you think about _______?"

There have been a couple of them and one I know was allowed to live, at least last I checked.

It's like, "Okay girls, now you can speak, now that we have designed the thread in such a way that every asshat dickblister on DU will show up to 'prove' you all wrong."

Barf. Major barf.

If I started a thread titled, "Asshat dickblisters, what do you think about ______?" it would be shut down faster than fast - but it's the same thing, it really is.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 09:33 AM
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2. Notice how those threads are rarely posted in HERE
You are right, they don't want to know what "feminists" think. They are playing juvenile little trolling games.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 04:41 PM
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8. I was flamed...
...for suggesting on a few of those threads that people just ask directly(per women's rights forum, feminism group, african american group, etc.). :shrug: Then my post was deleted as part of the flame fest it incited.

I'm still not sure WHY it was out of line (in their opinion) that I suggest such a thing--as asking people their thoughts directly, instead of creating bs 'call out the feminists or blacks' threads.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 05:03 PM
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9. Because, in my opinion, moderators often take sides.
And often it's the side that many of us find bigotted. x(

Yes, I know they supposedly discuss this stuff and come to a more or less unified position. Just because they discussed it as a group doesn't mean they somehow magically got it right. I also think they have a few loud voices that tend to dominate discussions, and those individuals absolutely, definitely take sides, and it shows.
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:06 AM
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15. They certainly do --
and I agree they seem to most often take the side of the asshole in an argument.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 04:15 PM
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5. I saw one of those.
I started to reply and hit back several times. What bullshit.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 07:41 PM
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13. It IS the same thing.
Edited on Wed Oct-03-07 07:56 PM by bliss_eternal
:grr::mad: Which is what makes me angry about it.

If any posts were created "calling out" the "majority"--hetero white males (and their apologists) they would call us all man haters and racists. :eyes: Yet the inherent insensitivity (and hypocrisy) of their creating posts like that seems lost on them. Well, not entirely...sigh......you know what I mean.

"Asshat dickblisters"
:rofl: Good one.
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 10:07 AM
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16. Exactly - if I make a thread that says "men" for crying out loud, it's
a "broad brush" and "flamebait" but they are allowed to do it.

It's "bullshit" if you ask me ;).
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 09:37 AM
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3. No you're not the only one. It's been going on for years here.
It's more frequent now due to Obama and Clinton running.

On a slightly related note, has anyone had another woman tell you that you MUST vote for Clinton because she's a woman? I have, more than once, and it really bugs me. Condaleeza Rice, Phyllis Schlafly, Michelle Malkin, and Ann Coulter are all women too. I'm not voting for them. Right now I'm not supporting Clinton because I don't care for (many of) her views. I wonder if this is happening in the AA community with Obama, but I haven't really heard it.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 04:30 PM
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6. Yes, I have.
The woman was shocked to hear me say I wasn't planning to vote for Clinton--and then they proceeded to try to flog and shame me as a woman. :eyes: I flipped the script, countering the conversation with "are you pro-choice" and they shut up and left me alone.

Quote:
I wonder if this is happening in the AA community with Obama, but I haven't really heard it.

Check your pm's--I'm sending you one. ;)

Oh and I was talking to a friend (she's black, really doesn't feel Obama is ready for any of this)--she's sick to death of people smiling at her saying,"....soooo what about Obama?" :rofl": We laugh about it, but since he's running people fail to see her as anything but another vote for him, or opportunity to show how happy they are to see this "change in the world." :eyes:
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 04:14 PM
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4. No
The implication, like you say, is always that women can't think for themselves, that they will vote gender before beliefs, as though women are so weak minded they have no other concerns-- blah, blah, blah. No, you're not the only one.

It's similar with Obama. I've stayed out of all Obama threads since that "Magic Negro" one a few months back.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 04:38 PM
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7. LOL!
"The Magic Negro " :rofl: That was awful. I think that one was archived in the AA forum as one of the best of the worst on DU.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 05:29 PM
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10. --sigh--
Edited on Wed Oct-03-07 05:29 PM by bliss_eternal
...I just need to stop reading in GD again.

If someone creates a thread and they are clearly showing themselves to be bigoted (sexist, homophobic, racist, etc.) what's the likelihood that they'll "understand" or "accept" a response calling them on such remarks? My history with this shows it's next to nil.

Speaking tolerance, sensitivity, individuality and "being open" is like speaking a foreign language to them. No way they're going to understand--why bother?
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 05:46 PM
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11. It's not a foreign language, because many of them are
very willing to accept that someone else is saying or doing something bigotted. The problem is that they think only certain people can be guilty, and they assign guilt not by what people say or do but by what group they are in.

I can't be guilty because I'm one of the good guys. You just need to cut me some slack and stop attacking our own.

They can be guilty because they're one of them. Point your cannons over there.

I think there is a knee-jerk reaction to condemn anyone who doesn't idolize "our side" unconditionally, which makes it impossible to critique our side and improve our positions. It makes incremental improvements impossible.
x(

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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 05:59 PM
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12. You're so right.
They do seem more willing to recognize bigotry when it's coming from a republican. But apparently we should protect and defend those that are at least "voting correctly." :eyes:

We only need to take a peek at the archives of this group to have a sense of how many feminist members we've lost over the years.

This board could provide so many opportunities to learn, instead they seem to stick their heads deeper in the sand yelling, "...not me, not me!"

Yet when it comes close to primary time, suddenly our votes matter, even if our opinions don't.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 05:31 AM
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14. There is some VERY weird and creepy shit going on around here re: Clinton and Obama.
What I've noticed is a rather obvious war going on between posters pushing RW troll agendas and Clinton's "supporters" (read: campaigners). It's like they think DU.com is just an extension of Fox Schmooze/CNN where they can rehash their propaganda to do more market research. I think it's disgusting and wrong. Eventually, I hope the mods consider some strategy for restricting campaign employees from posting their talking points on this site. Yes, I know how impossible that sounds, but these people are creating so much flamebait around here, not to mention promoting racist, misogynist stereotypes.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 03:54 PM
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17. I hadn't even considered that....
...some of these posts are from pro campaigners/employees. Great point and observation! :thumbsup: It would certainly explain a lot. I've sincerely wondered how some of these posters find the time to create so many posts focused on one person.

A bit o/t but, I've noticed a particular poster that creates thread after thread (sometimes minutes apart) for their candidate. It's as if that's their full-time job. They've also created some of the nastiest posts "bashing" the others--really offensive, meanspirited stuff. So bad that responders complained within the threads, and a few threads were deleted, others were locked.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:18 PM
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18. On the bright side...
...it's helped me round out my ignore list a bit more. :P

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