Cross-post from Women's Rights: At the Barricades of the Gender Wars

[Ellen Forradalom]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=229&topic_id=9690&mesg_id=9690

Would Facebook tolerate a group "Obama, Stop Running for President and Shine my Shoes?" Hell no.

[ismnotwasm]

1. One of the things that bugs me

"But her campaign has also prompted slurs and inflammatory language that many women thought had been banished from public discourse."
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They DID? And where-n-hell did "many women" get that idea? Sometimes being a feminist is a rear guard action. We're voices in the wilderness until somebody feels personally affronted. As long as it's someone else dealing with overt sexist language, well hey, we've come a long way baby.

Then there is this;
"The concern among some women about sexism comes amid signs that women's progress in the workplace has stalled or even regressed. In 2007, women earned median weekly wages of 80.2 cents for every dollar earned by men, down from 80.8 cents in 2006 and 81 cents in 2005, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistic.

At the nation's largest 500 companies, women account for 50% of managers, but hold just 15.4% of senior executive jobs, down from 16.4% in 2005, according to a survey by Catalyst, the New York research firm and women's advocacy group. Almost three-quarters of these senior women are in jobs that rarely lead to the corner office. The number of senior women in "line" jobs that involve running a business, with responsibility for profits and losses, dropped to 27.5% last year from 29% in 2005, according to Catalyst."
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Well no shit. For those who've been paying attention.
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"An hour away in Indiana, Pa., a working-class town, Jill Fiore, who teaches part-time at a local college and has a doctorate in English, says she constantly has to remind students to call her "Dr. Fiore" -- the same way they address male professors -- rather than "Jill" or "Mrs. Fiore." Unable to get a full-time college teaching job, she made just $8,000 last year cobbling together part-time work, and she recently decided to open a yoga business.

"The sexism aimed at Hillary is astounding me," she says. "We want to let our daughters know that we can be anything. It's a lie. If even Hillary Clinton can't make it, what chance do we have?"

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I don't base my hopes of gender equality on Senator Clinton's campaign, but the point is well taken. I feel strangely compelled to post this from IBlameThePatriarchy;
http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2008/03/23/its-all-about-me/
SNIP----------------
"She enlarged on her point. It’s not so much that Hillary’s politics are destroying her, but the fact that, whether she advertises it or not (and she does not), Clinton is, by dint of her aspiration to ultimate personal sovereignty as the king of the world, de facto a feminist. Hillary isn’t electable, Stingray opined, because most people, particularly women, would rather die screaming than associate themselves with feminism.

Don’t I know it. These days even feminists are against feminism. Check out this post from a blog called, unfortunately, “The Pervocracy,” which I chanced upon at the very moment Stingray made her assertion about women’s antipathy toward feminism. The post was authored by someone named Holly whose online identity revolves around sex; it’s a twist on the venerable “I’m not a feminist, but …”, entitled, winsomely, “I love men!”:

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Sigh.

[bliss_eternal]

2. I have to admit....

...what Limbaugh did was pretty effective. Disgusting, but powerful and I'd dare say smart, if I weren't talking about a chauvinistic, white supremacist, piece of shit, insecure little bully with on-going self-treated mental illness issues. :crazy:

Aligning feminists with nazis....by coining the term feminazi. What women isn't going to attempt to distance themselves from such a label? :(

Anybody male or female that's really paying attention knows such labels--coming from him....total bullshit. It's just another part of their divisive game. I mean anyone that really takes the time to think about it and consider the source--it's ridiculous. How dare he project the essence of what he is, onto women? ;)

[Ellen Forradalom]

3. Projection..

..is what ass boils like Limbaugh are all about.

[femrap]

4. Instead of 'Shine my

shoes,' how about kiss and lick my clit.

Maybe I'll be banned now!!!

[ThomCat]

5. I hope not.

:(

We can't afford to love anyone else.

I wish, I really wish that electing a woman president would elevate us as a nation and get rid of some level of the sexism in our society. I'd support HRC in a heartbeat for that reason alone.

I wish that we could get people to stop using sexism as a campaign tool against HRC, and racism as a campaign tool agains BHO. I wish people realized that we either all stand up together, or we all get knocked down.

But sady, I think we're all taking a hit on this election. Democrats may take back power, but it will be on top of people who are truly concerned about civil rights. :(

[ismnotwasm]

6. Looks that way

I'm amazed, simply amazed, that I live in an era where a woman and a black man both have a chance to win the presidency. I'm only 47 years old and I was alive before the civil rights era, I was a little girl, and I remember that shit. My father was a "Garbage man" back in the 60's--a big red-headed swede at a time when it mostly black men. It was brutal work. He remembers the first time I saw a black man. I was two. TWO. That blows me away. As I grew older, I rebelled every way possible against just about everything, but mostly the roles society tried to place on me as a sexualized female. I was pissed for quite a while. Then I found my feminist soul, and become comfortable in my own skin.


Quite honestly, I'm a bit too "left" for me to totally appreciate either candidate, but that's beside the point, I'm voting for who wins the Dem nomination. I can't believe folks post things like "race and gender don't matter" in the face of ALL EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY. Jeez. If it didn't matter it would be brought up every other minute, now would it?

[bliss_eternal]

7. Relatives, that migrated here...

...from the south (after civil rights) were constantly reminding my parents and their sibs about all they fought for. I still recall the pain in their voices describing various events. They seemed particularly upset that they had to explain why our parents should NEVER eat (or take the children) to Denny's restaurant. Back then, Denny's was the polite off shoot of 'Sambos.'

I have a relative that was one of the first women of color employed by Pacific Bell(late 1940's). She was so proud of that. She earned a very good living, even bought her own home--almost unheard of then for a woman.

[bliss_eternal]

8. Really well said, Thomcat...

Quote:
I wish people realized that we either all stand up together, or we all get knocked down.

I wish this, too. :hug: