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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:34 PM
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Crap.
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 11:34 PM by ismnotwasm
Wasn't sure whether to post this here or in the pro-choice forum

"The Pill makes women pick bad mates

Birth control pills could screw up a woman's ability to sniff out a compatible mate, a new study finds.

While several factors can send a woman swooning, including big brains and brawn, body odor can be critical in the final decision, the researchers say. That's because beneath a woman's flowery fragrance or a guy's musk the body sends out aromatic molecules that indicate genetic compatibility.

Major histocompatibility complex (MHC) genes are involved in immune response and other functions, and the best mates are those that have different MHC smells than you. The new study reveals, however, that when women are on the pill they prefer guys with matching MHC odors."



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26180187/wid/11915773?GT1=31036

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know about pheromones or whatever, it's that part of the title "MAKES women pick bad mates" that got my blood boiling, and the article itself, My Sweet LORD what a bunch of shit.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:12 AM
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1. "Pill side effect: having control of your life"
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:33 AM
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2. That is excellent
Catburgler has posted about it in the Pro-choice forum, with another great blog
http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/oh_great_the_evo_psych_wanks_are_saying_the_pill_makes_women_cheat/


God what nonsense. I'd be tempted to ignore it if it hadn't been on the FRONT page of MSN. You know-- the one that puts all those Real Woman dove campaign ads and articles. Which actually started out a good idea, then it grew monstrous patriarchy tentacles.

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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:35 AM
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3. "monstrous patriarchy tentacles"
Something like this?

:-)
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 02:56 AM
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5. lol
Yup.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:35 AM
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4. Or, it's "how do we figure a way to convince young pretty women to pick old ugly men?"
Edited on Thu Aug-14-08 12:36 AM by thecatburgler
At first it was easy: Men made all the money so an ugly old man with a fat bank account had it made. Then women started making their own money and it got more complicated. Then they had to come up with all kinds of codswallop to maintain the status quo. Enter Evo Psych, and its attendent tortured justifications of gender stereotypes. This contraception nonsense is the latest, last gasp of male privilege. At long last, they are refusing the Sacred Sperm!








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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 11:23 AM
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6. I've despised Evolutionary Psych
Ever since that "rape is an adaptive behavior" bullshit. Tried to justify an evolutionary purpose with some serious logic flaws. They looked at aggressive male chimpanzees If I recall correctly.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 11:38 AM
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7. It's social darwinism by another name
The Nazis came up with all kinds of pseudo-scientific crap to justify murdering Jews, the handicapped, etc. Yeah, I just invoked Godwin's Law, but I don't care, it's true. Pseudoscience in the service of hate, oppression and murder is as despicable now as it was then.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 11:48 AM
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8. It is. And progressives recognize it easily in some cases.
Charles Murray was (rightly) scorned for his racist Bell Curve tripe. But liberal dudez just love them some evo psych when it comes to maintaining gender roles.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:25 PM
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9. Yep, it's cheap and easy for certain SCLM
to renounce racism--no direct cost to them--but sexism? They might actually have to give something up. Can't have that. It's the dog brain again.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 03:19 PM
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10. "msn lies about scientific study" is a more accurate title for this "news"
The link for the study is right here and the part which proves the lie in the msn article comes at the end (I noted discrepancies using italics and bold):

Our results therefore cannot, at face value, provide an explanation for the pill effect previously reported, but they do emphasize the way in which current circumstances can modulate preferences based on genetic similarity. Mouse studies suggest that odour preference expression varies depending on reproductive status and behavioural context, since lactating female mice prefer to associate with MHC-similar females, presumably using odour (Manning et al. 1992), while females in oestrus prefer odours of MHC-dissimilar males (and other aspects of genetic quality involved in mate choice, Roberts & Gosling 2003). In our study, paired women expressed greater preferences for MHC dissimilarity in odours of unfamiliar men, and there was a non-significant association between fantasizing about extra-pair relationships and MHC-dissimilar odour preference. Such expression of enhanced preference for dissimilarity might be interpreted within the context of desired attributes in extra-pair partners as a means to increase offspring heterozygosity, in common with similar preferences in birds (e.g. Petrie & Kempenaers 1998; Blomqvist et al. 2002), although it is curious that the effect was elicited most strongly in the long-term context question--perhaps this question focuses raters more successfully on desired mate choice characteristics than does rating of odour pleasantness. It may also be that paired women can evaluate odours more accurately, and thus discriminate MHC dissimilarity more effectively, because they have more intimate recent experience of male odour (although we do not know why single women should have preferred MHC-similar men). Similarly, women in established partnerships express clearer or different preferences for traits indicating additive genetic variance than single women, in both visual (Little et al. 2002) and olfactory (Havlicek et al. 2005) modalities, but the extent to which these discrepancies ultimately reflect underlying strategic variation or differences in experience remains a question for further study.

We do not know whether the change in preferences related to pill use is sufficiently strong to influence partner choice, but it could do so if odour plays a significant role in actual human mate choice. Some studies have suggested that women consider the olfactory domain to be an important factor in their assessment of potential partners (e.g. Havlicek et al. 2008). Although we were unable to replicate the effect, Wedekind et al.'s (1995) demonstration of an association between MHC dissimilarity and the reminiscence of current or previous partners suggests that the influence of MHC-odour cues may extend beyond the laboratory. If this is the case, our results indicate that use of the contraceptive pill could lead to choice of an otherwise less preferred partner. (italics and bold added - go to linked report to view the links to studies cited)


Please also note the differences observed between "paired" versus "single" women.

The msn fabricator "writer" took out all the "ifs" "coulds" "might" then flipped the results on their "head" and called it a story. I have a suggestion for a motto for msn:

"msn: rewriting science one article at a time"



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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 11:43 AM
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11. Thanks for this post, cerridwen.
Whenever I see a splashy new pronouncement based on a small study, my rat-sniffing detector pings.

The real study results are fascinating.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 12:11 PM
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12. Mine, too, Gormy Cuss. My BS detector is set to high sensitivity these days.
I think it's a damned shame that we have to be part researcher and part detective in order to be able to read the "news." Though I will confess, my googling and research skills have improved dramatically. :)

I'm glad you found it "fascinating," too. And, you're welcome. I enjoy reading good, emphasis on good, scientific research. I despise what the "news" organizations do with that research.



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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 09:49 PM
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13. 'Having a penis increases your chances of
spending time in jail thereby leaving women with few choices for good mates.'

That makes more sense.

I am so sick and tired of these stupid claims. I'm gonna start making some of my own.
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