*The* best commentary I've read on Bruce Pardo, male-supremacist woman-murderer

[Ellen Forradalom]

http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/2008/12/29/bruce-pardo-nice-generous-guy-church-usher-no-criminal-record-why-he-shot-and-killed-his-ex-wife-and-eight-others-on-christmas-eve/

I'm not even going to try to post this in GD. I called him a femicidal maniac in GD and everyone hit the roof. The denial of man-on-woman oppressive violence is staggering.

[iverglas]

1. excellent

Thanks.

[Ellen Forradalom]

2. And to think that the papers just called him

a man in a Santa suit

disgusting.

[iverglas]

4. the whole "snapped" thing

Over in the guns forum ... a very reasonable person was explaining to me how someone can "snap" and still lay careful plans ...

Sure. It just wasn't the case in this case.

And we all know why he had a ticket to Canada?

More evidence against that "snapped" thang.

[Ellen Forradalom]

5. Snap my ass

He was deprived of his imagined prerogatives and went to punish the supposed transgessors for that.

[iverglas]

6. just for anybody who doesn't know

Canada does not extradite to jurisdictions where the death penalty is on the table. California is a death penalty state.

If the prosecution undertakes not to seek the death penalty, we will extradite (assuming all other requirements are met).

This is a relatively new development in Canadian constitutional law, and it is impossible to predict what would happen if the prosecuting jurisdiction refused to give that undertaking, i.e. if we found ourselves stuck with an obvious mass murderer who had broken no laws in Canada.

But this factor does show how exceedingly carefully laid his plan was, awry as it ultimately ganged.

France refused to extradite James Charles Kopp to face the charge of murdering Dr. Barnett Slepian without the undertaking, and New York gave it. Btw, Canada is waiting patiently for our kick at Kopp, on charges of attempting to murder a doctor in Ontario, among other things.

[ismnotwasm]

3. Another abuser "under the radar"

God. I work with a nurse who is divorced, but has a constant battle for child support from her ex, but more concerning is this;

I asked her flat out if he was, abusive. Her answer? "Not really, he would physically intimidate me, pushed me, called me names things like that (I didn't ask for clarification of "like that") In other words, because he wasn't beating her bloody, it wasn't abuse. The details of the money fights themselves sound abusive to me

I threw a dramatic verbal fit for her, on purpose, just to give her permission to call it abuse. (I'm a former street kid living in a middle class world, so I can do dramatic and get away with it, usually. And communicating with these civilized women is one of the reason I hold on to my extensive potty mouth--there are those who find it freeing ;-) )

[blueraven95]

7. this was interesting, thanks!

I don't know what happened in GD - I loved how people couldn't understand the definition of "femicidal", almost to a point of willful ignorance.


It was staggering, I agree.

[Ellen Forradalom]

8. If people recognize the word femicide

then they'd have to acknowledge that woman-murder exists as a distinct phenomenon, exactly as with fratricide, parricide, infanticide, genocide etc.
Then they'd have to take a stand on it
And no one wants to do that.
Seems everyone has something to gain by the retention of woman-murder as an option. Except, of course for women, but who asked them?

[Control-Z]

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I would like to have read it. Talking about aggression toward women seems to be taboo on DU. I participated in your GD thread and got put in my place by a woman. Somehow I find that more infuriating than when it comes from a man. Have these women lived both charmed and sheltered lives as to be truly ignorant? Or are these women so dependent and infatuated with men that being accepted and liked by them is what really matters? It kind of reminds me of pleasing Daddy as a little girl. Agreeing with everything he said and did to stay in his good graces.

[ismnotwasm]

10. It's on the right side of the page

I got the same error, then I noticed the link. Hope that helps

[Control-Z]

11. Thanks

I found it with your direction, and wow, overwhelming, but accurate, account of abusers.

[lightningandsnow]

12. That was a spot-on article.

I rarely agree with things that Heart says (sorry folks, her opinions on sex work, BDSM, and transgenderism aren't mine), but this article was dead-on. Relationship violence is, tragically, often ignored until it's too late.

However, the first comment made me sick. Autism spectrum disorders do not make people murderous, woman-hating psychopaths. Less ableism, please? I thought I was autistic for quite some time (hence the username) and likely have a similar learning disability, and I was in a relationship with a guy with Asperger's for six months and he's a lovely, respectful person. And a feminist.

(Sorry, it's a tangent, but ignorant comments like that infuriate me.)

[Ellen Forradalom]

15. That's just one of the more creative excuses

people are making for this woman-hating fuck. If this wasn't a case of targeting a woman as a woman, I don't know what is.

[lightningandsnow]

16. Exactly.

If he hadn't offed himself, it should've been charged as a hate crime.

I mean, I'm not saying that would've been likely to happen, but the guy clearly hated women.

[ThomCat]

13. I only tangentially caught some discussion about this.

The idea that any man might be out to specifically murder women, be femicidal, really gets a whole lot of people horribly defensive. It is as if they will not allow women to be acknowledged as targeted and hunted victims. Any violence against women MUST be reduced to something incidental, isolated, unexplainable, and therefore ultimately minor.

By insisting that he was a nice, normal guy who snapped they can insist that something, or someone made him snap. It's not his fault. Either directly, or through implications it comes back around to somehow being her fault. She drove him to it. Something she did, or something about her must have been wrong.

The most insulting and agonizing aspect of all of this is that they don't seem to need any evidence that she did anything to make him snap. It's as if it's a self-evident explanation. Even if you can show that everything she did was reasonable and justified, it doesn't change their minds, and it still changes the tone of the discussion to analyzing her actions instead of his.

I'm coming into this whole discussion late, and now I'm digging into this a bit and getting very emotional about this. It is mind-boggling and horribly offensive that people would make excuses for this man and keep trying so hard to put the blame on his ex wife.

[Ellen Forradalom]

14. I am finally coming to understand

that the whole social order stands on a foundation of violence against women, threatened or realized. Pardo is only most the extreme example of this. There are a million tiny everyday acts of violence, initimidation and abuse that keep the system functioning.

It is not for nothing that femicide is not a commonly referred-to category of murder. As I said above, too many people have too much invested in the ultimate enforcement of order to risk recognizing it.

[ThomCat]

17. I'm going to have to think about that, but on the face of it I think that's

true. Any social order stands or falls based on it's ability to coerce compliance through the use of force. It's just a matter of where and how the force is directed, and for what type of compliance.

Someone has probably already examined this and written about it. If anyone has a really good recommendation for a good, clear author writing feminist social theory in this vein I'd be interested in a recommendation.

[ismnotwasm]

18. Dworkin

Seriously.

[ThomCat]

21. Cool. I like her writing style and I should have more of her stuff.

[ismnotwasm]

23. This essay is about being battered

Not societal causes, but it sends chills up my spine every time I read it.

From the last paragraph


"The emotional severity of the survivor appears to others, even those closest to her, to be cold and unyielding, ruthless in its intensity. She knows too much about suffering to try to measure it when it is real, but she despises self-pity. She is self-protective, not out of arrogance, but because she has been ruined by her own fragility. Like Anya, the survivor of the Nazi concentration camps in Susan Fromberg Schaeffer's beautiful novel of the same name, she might say: "So what have I learned? I have learned not to believe in suffering. It is a form of death. If it is severe enough it is a poison; it kills the emotions." She knows that some of her own emotions have been killed and she distrusts those who are infatuated with suffering, as if it were a source of life, not death.
In her heart she is a mourner for those who have not survived.
In her soul she is a warrior for those who are now as she was then.
In her life she is both celebrant and proof of women's capacity and will to survive, to become, to act, to change self and society. And each year she is stronger and there are more of her."



http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/dworkin/WarZoneChaptIIIB.html

[whathehell]

19. If you're interested in the deliberate obfuscation of "Femicide" in GD

check this new thread:...It has a number of responses, but only mine mentioned "Femicide..aka "Breathing while female"...

NO one has responded..They're mostly worried about the repercussions of the DNA sample from the little boy...I invite everyone here to go over there and point out "the elephant in the room".

Edited on Sat Jan-03-09 02:48 PM by Liberal_in_LA
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/02/brianna.denison/ind...

Former Marine pleads not guilty to raping, killing college student

The case went unsolved for almost 10 months until an anonymous tip from a friend of Biela's former girlfriend broke this cold case wide open, police said.

Investigators had established that the killer was from the Reno area and had an unusual fetish of collecting one victim's underwear and leaving it at the next victim's crime scene.

The tipster caught investigators' attention by telling them that Biela's former girlfriend had found two pairs of thong panties in his truck.

Detectives immediately followed up on the tip and, with permission from the former girlfriend, took DNA samples from Biela's 4-year-old son.

Lab tests showed that the boy's father -- Biela -- was almost certainly a match for the DNA found on the doorknob and at the crime scene, police said.

The finding was confirmed when Biela was arrested and ordered to submit DNA samples. An overnight session at the crime lab confirmed the match, and charges were filed, police said.

[ThomCat]

22. That link is no longer good.

:(

[iverglas]

20. another version of "femicide"

An excellent BBC cop series from some years ago called Inside the Line featured as one of the main characters a woman who, during the course of the series, gained an understanding of her own sexuality, i.e. that she was a lesbian. That's by the bye, but it was a very interesting thread in the series.

In one plot, the team is trying to prosecute a cop for murdering his wife, in one of those "perfect murders" where proof will be virtually impossible and the killer is an arrogant pig they are burning to bring down. It is proposed that they go after him for (or propose a deal for) manslaughter.

She writes on the blackboard:

manslaughter
man's laughter