‘Predna’ would ‘blow a fatal hole in Roe v. Wade’

[LiberalAndProud]

Franks, who was recently called out by a Media Matters Action Network blogger for saying that more African-Americans have been killed because of abortion than during slavery, defended his comments Friday, renewing his argument that Planned Parenthood wants to “wipe out the black community” and calling abortion a “silent genocide.”

“Abortion has taken more African-American lives than slavery did,” Franks said, once again.

His bill, the Susan B. Anthony Frederick Douglass Prenatal Discrimination Act, or “Predna” for short, would effectively turn abortion into a discrimination issue and be inserted into the Civil Rights Act of 1964. A state version of the bill passed the Arizona House 41-18 in February and is now in committee in the state Senate. Other states have introduced similar legislation.

“ establishes that unborn children are persons, too,” Franks said. “It might blow a fatal hole in Roe v. Wade. … Even Hillary Clinton says it’s a good idea.”

http://www.americanindependent.com/174488/rep-trent-franks-predna-would-blow-a-fatal-hole-in-roe-v-wade

I hope he is lying about Hillary.

[ismnotwasm]

1. Meanwhile

At the hospital where I work, a decision was being made for the health of the fetus over the health of the mother by a particular resident. Good thing the Fellow caught it, or we'd have another disabled or dead woman d/t pregnancy. Who's discriminating against who?

I doubt Clinton supports this.

[LiberalAndProud]

2. I doubt it too. I do wonder why he thought he could say it.

The genocide meme is taking on a tone that makes me think it will gain momentum. This is frightening -- false, but that doesn't make it less powerful.

[ismnotwasm]

3. True

Women have fought so hard for reproductive rights, and this emotionalization of the fetus is extremely effective. No matter how many times we point out women have died, or have been disabled, or have suffered catastrophic illness because of pregnancy, it seems not to matter as much as how early as fetus starts it's atavistic movement, or does the fetus feel pain or what 'rights' does a fetus have. Completely surreal. Women, human beings who are donating their entire lives and bodies to pregnancy simply don't matter to these people. Press the argument, and it becomes one of sexual activity, and then you're back in the misogynist virgin/whore bullshit.

It's very frightening.

[elleng]

4. The argument has ALWAYS been about sexual activity;

its not recognized or acknowledged often, tho.

[LiberalAndProud]

5. Yes! A woman's sexual activity, to be precise.

Virginal until married. Hand-in-hand with the rising antagonism toward single mothers that is starting to rumble. It's all interconnected and it's all about keeping women in their place.

[ThomCat]

6. Clinton is well known to be a quiet but very devout fundamentalist.

She is usually the only woman who is a regular member of "the family," and goes to the prayer breakfasts and prayer sessions where policy is discussed. She is also one of the few Democrats that attends these things. So that should give some sense of how far to the right "the family" and these religious prayer circles are.

This was, and is, a huge reason why a lot of people did not support her during the presidential primary. She refuses to speak about how much influence she would allow religious views to have over her work in government, and how conservative those views would be.

And, of course, there just isn't any history of time spent in public service that would allow people to look back and judge for ourselves.

Be very careful about Clinton and religion. This area is a minefield. I don't think she is definitely our friend. When, or if, she is our friend on an issue, or in any one fight I always get the impression it is only temporary and only for the reason of current political expedience.

[ismnotwasm]

7. Interesting

I've always considered her a moderate to conservative Democrat rather than a 'fundamentalist'. I never did get as enthusiastic about her as others did and she and President Obama seemed platform wise, about the same.


I'm not religious myself, but I have a strong sense of the spiritual, and a strong curiosity.

The more I learn and read, the more a conservative view of religion seems a form of mental illness. When there are open minds and hearts, great things can happen as well as true spiritual growth, (whatever than means.) The closed minded end up with what I call a "God-in-a-box', one they *say* is omniscient and omnipotent, but is no more than some sort of fucked up human with superpowers. It's Ugly and a huge part of everything wrong with the human condition IMO.

[defendandprotect]

8. Unfortunately, there's been very little Dem resistance to attacks on Roe vs Wade

over decades --

and do recall that Hillary went along with the "common ground" bandwagon which

was quite a few years back --

Trust Hillary will speak for herself --