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[Skinner]

Earlier today we ran an analysis of posting traffic in each of the DU Groups. Those DU Groups that had fewer than one post per week (13 posts in the previous 90 days) have been selected for possible deletion. (Note: DU Groups for potential 2008 presidential candidates were exempted from deletion, because we expect they will become more active sometime in 2007.)

This Group was one of the DU Groups with fewer than 13 posts in 90 days, and has been selected for deletion. The Group will be deleted if there is not sufficient interest to keep it going.

If you want this Group to remain open, please post in this thread to let us know. The deadline for posting is midnight Thursday June 29. If at least ten people post in this thread to support the Group, it will remain open. Otherwise, it will be closed.

Skinner
DU Admin

[cascadiance]

1. Please keep this group open...

I've been meaning to post some stuff on it, but have lately been still tied up with Busby/Bilbray election stuff helping Brad Friedman with the election town meetings, etc. amongst other things.

Luke Ryland (who does a lot with his wotisitgood4.com web site) also has wanted to post to keep this group open and probably would post stuff to this group, but he's restricted, not being a contributing member.

[wiggs]

2. Absolutely should stay open....

....Sibel is not gone and will someday get to say what she knows. And that will be an amazing day.

The Sibel group keeps really important information available for everyone, even if they don't post I would imagine that a lot of people appreciate reading the references and posts from time to time.

Thank you

[seemslikeadream]

3. Skinner I hope the Sibel Edmonds group will remain open

She is such a very important whistle blower and it would seem there will be more news coming in the near future about her and what she knows. I believe this is extremely important and should be given a bit more time to accumulate more content and make it more useful later. Thanks for the consideration. And I will try soon to post here also

[DemReadingDU]

4. Please keep this whistleblowers group open

News about Sibel Edmonds doesn't occur everyday, but when there is news, it is important to read about it here. Thanks!

[reprehensor]

5. In the hope it stays open...

I post.

I hope someone can add some content, though...

[katty]

6. Please keep this group alive!

[Just Me]

7. Whistle-blowers and De-bunkers should be ONE GROUP,...

,...because their cause is the same!!!

May I suggest a DU De-bunker and whistle-blower forum. May I also suggest that this combination be on the "big topics" rather than sunk to the weeny branches since they both have major impact upon the truth we all need to keep democracy alive?

A DU-debunker/whistle-blower main topic would be more impactful than even the "general discussion" because it would provide the focus necessary to defeat those who are destroying our values, our laws, our Constitution, our "beacon of democracy".

I just ask you to take what I post, seriously, and offer my sincere gratitude in advance of your consideration.

--Leslee

[papau]

8. With the NY Times being called Traitor for exposing civil liberty loss

the need for this forum is as great as ever.

[WillyT]

9. Ironic, That Arguably The Most Important Grouping We Could Have Here...

at DU, gets so little traffic. And please, color me guilty as charged. I'm a GD brawler from way back. Helps to release the daily tension and frustration.

I always assumed that groups "down forum", where it's less hectic (and more mature), were the ones doing the real work, and pursuing the real potential of DU. And I still believe that, so I ask that you please keep this group going, as it will probably become the most important group here at DU if we somehow manage to blow the 2006 elections.

All we will have left of government oversight, will be whistle-blowers.

Please keep this group going.

WillyT

[cascadiance]

10. I think we're all a little guilty of not putting stuff here...

I know the big concern at the beginning was "burying" stuff here and not putting it in general discussion where everyone would see it. I think what happened was that many people would only have time to post on and respond in the main discussion forums, and we didn't take the time to do an "archive" of those discussions here. If people have votes on how to archive such good discussions here, I'm open to suggestion. I have a few ideas myself.

Anyway, one more post to help keep us out of "purgatory" for now. I know of at least two DU members that are also well known writers on this subject that couldn't post a reply here because they aren't contributors and the forum software wouldn't allow them to. Is there a reason for that new limitation Skinner? Didn't seem to be there before.

Though I'm still swamped with election stuff and other things this week, I'll try to help in coming weeks to revive this forum some. Maybe if we can get some "journal presence" of some threads here too that would also help. I know I've also put off building up a journal too.

Another earlier issue that was discussed a lot when this forum was started was whether it should be named "Sibel Edmonds and other whistleblowers" forum or if it should be a more generic "Whistleblowers" forum. Perhaps that question should be asked again. Now that the supreme court case has come and gone (unfortunately) for her, perhaps it's time to give more attention to other whistleblower issues? Though I think Sibel may have some things coming up in the coming months that might put her back in headlines again and once again also attract more attention to this forum again too. Just perhaps not such a central issue like that Supreme Court appeal she once had, though who knows! She does have a new judge now since Reggie Walton got taken off of her case, so it's quite possible that her appeal will be heard this time.

[ngGale]

17. Please keep, "Whistleblowers" still need help...

Another earlier issue that was discussed a lot when this forum was started was whether it should be named "Sibel Edmonds and other whistleblowers" forum or if it should be a more generic "Whistleblowers" forum. Perhaps that question should be asked again. Now that the supreme court case has come and gone (unfortunately) for her, perhaps it's time to give more attention to other whistleblower issues?

IMO, this is a good idea! Possibly keep this forum going until Sibel pops back into the news. I feel sure her story is not over. I'm just as sure there are other breaking stories concerning new "Whistleblower" issues.

[EVDebs]

11. Sibel et al's actions directly affect 9-11 and checks/balances

Probably the most important thing Democrats have been UNABLE to prevent the Bunnypants administration from dismantling so far. It would be most unwise of Skinnner and Co., Democratic Underground that is, to remove this thread.

Too much important info gets disseminated to remove it.

And this new information is about the only recent bright spot in today's reporting

Senate Committee Acts to Restore Protection for Whistle-Blowers
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/062606I.shtml

Wake up and start smelling the coffee, DUers !

[cascadiance]

13. EV, unfortunately, that bill is more BS...

Read this note from Luke Ryland that was sent out earlier where Sibel Edmonds notes that this bill still exempts security whistleblowers DESPITE the many complaints of the earlier house bill doing the same thing. Sneaky Ms. Collins tried to pull one over on us! It is still the Republicans trying to cover up their coverups!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1496374

Your post is a perfect example of why we need to have this group to centralize this information so that they can't continue to exploit the disinformation they are giving us that many times even distorts what we as interested parties hear!

We just need to do a better job at putting the archives of info here of previous threads here. I'd also like to have this forum so that anyone can post here. Hope that's possible.

[EVDebs]

16. Truthout relied upon a WashPost article touting that bill, so I have

company ! You're correct, if not for Sibel and Indira Singh, Colleen Rowley, et al, WHO would be doing the 'checks and balances' upon this gang of incompetents in WashDC ? The go-along Dems always provide, what, ten to twenty votes no matter what for political 'cover' with the AUMFs being prime examples of it.

[starroute]

12. I didn't even know this group existed . . .

. . . until I saw it was threatened with deletion.

But now that I know about it and see how many familiar names are speaking up for it, I definitely want to keep an eye on it.

(And why the heck can't Luke contribute? Can't somebody donate in his name and get him posting rights?)

[rman]

14. I think the nature of this group causes it to have low traffic

For al i know we're not really supposed to have discussions in this forum.

From the group rules:

"6. This forum would be primarily a forum to gather historical links of older threads in archives, etc..."


However i do frequently refer to this group because of the information that has been gathered here. It would be a shame if it were deleted.
I figure that people who go here to read don't have much reason to also post in this group. Hence the low posting traffic.

[cascadiance]

18. Yes, the purpose of this group isn't for "fringe" discussions...

... but to help us "archive" a compedium of useful information for historical purposes.

I think we could do better to populate it with historical info than we have, but like we noted earlier, our purposes are better served by trying to get timely discussions in GD, LBN, and other high traffic forums for issues when they first come out rather than just confine them here.

We should also try to increase it's visibility too with links in our sigs and journals like you have. Thanks!

[katinmn]

15. Edmonds has been silenced for now. Let's keep it open

because it won't always be that way.

Thanks.

[robertpaulsen]

19. Keep this alive & I promise to come here more often.

NO WAY should this get deleted. Glad to see everyone else taking an interest.

[Skinner]

20. 19 replies

The group stays open. Thanks, everyone.

[WillyT]

21. Thank You Skinner !!!

:hi::grouphug::hi:

[seemslikeadream]

22. sibel 911

http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2006/07/sibel-911.html

sibel 911
As we know, Sibel says that the best published summary of her case is Giraldi's article in AmCon which puts the spotlight on defense contractors, Israel and Turkey, and the profiteering neocon enablers.

As I've noted before, there's nothing in that article about 911 - yet many people still cling to the hope that Sibel has the Holy Grail to 911.

I spoke to her recently and she again said that she doesn't hold any specific insight into 911 - but noted, again, that she wonders why the USG appears so determined to hide everything. She says that the August 04 letter she wrote to Tom Kean and the 911 Commission contains just about everything that she knows in relation to the attacks.

As Sibel notes in that letter:

However, your commission's hearings, 567-page report and recommendations do not include these serious issues, major incidents and systemic problems. Your report's coverage of FBI translation problems consists of a brief microscopic footnote (Footnote #25). Yet your commission is geared to start aggressively pressuring our government to hastily implement your measures and recommendations based upon an incomplete and deficient report.
In this post, I'll look at the specific claims that Sibel makes in her letter, and expand on them based on what we know now (bolded emphases in original)

Melek Can Dickerson, a Turkish translator, was hired by the FBI after Sept. 11 and placed in charge of translating the most sensitive information related to terrorists and criminals under the Bureau's investigation. Dickerson was granted top secret clearance, which can be granted only after conducting a thorough background investigation. Dickerson used to work for semi-legit organizations that were FBI targets of investigation. She had ongoing relationships with two individuals who were FBI targets of investigation. For months, Dickerson blocked all-important information related to these semi-legit organizations and the individuals she and her husband associated with. She stamped hundreds, if not thousands, of documents related to these targets as "not pertinent." Dickerson attempted to prevent others from translating these documents important to the FBI's investigations and our fight against terrorism. With the assistance of her direct supervisor, Mike Feghali, she took hundreds of pages of top-secret intelligence documents outside the FBI to unknown recipients. With Feghali's assistance, she forged signatures on top-secret documents related to 9/11 detainees. After all these incidents were confirmed and reported to FBI management, Melek Can Dickerson was allowed to remain in her position, to continue the translation of sensitive intelligence received by the FBI, and to maintain her top-secret clearance. Apparently bureaucratic mid-level FBI management and administrators decided that it would not look good for the Bureau to have this security breach and espionage case investigated and publicized, especially after the Robert Hanssen scandal. The Melek Can Dickerson case was confirmed by the Senate Judiciary Committee. It received major coverage by the press. According to Director Robert Mueller, the inspector general criticized the FBI for failing to adequately pursue the espionage report on Melek Can Dickerson.

[katty]

23. Whistleblower group should remain, people who come to DU

just to read breaking news and other articles are often made aware of the what is really going on in the treacherous waters of 'whistleblower world' - the MSM never covers this issue for any extended period (just like everything else they don't do!)and even yesterday a U.S. Coast Guard whistleblower engineer took his case to YouTube.com - it was quite amazing to hear him read his statement. Whistleblowers put their lives 'on the line' for this country EVERYDAY-they deserve more than just passing attention.

[pberq]

24. Sibel Edmonds article on The 9/11 Commission

The 9/11 Commission: A Play on Nothing in Three Acts

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_sibel_ed_060905_the_9_2f11_commission_3a.htm



Discuussed in these threads:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2811730

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2060166

[grmamo]

25. Gee, I just found this group. I am glad they kept it open.

I have seen theads on Sibel Edmonds once in a while, but am just now getting to where I am looking around to see what kind of groups are available. I can now just check this group for information on her situation. I know there must be much more I don't realize that is available here at DU.

Thanks to all involved and DU for keeping it open.

[DemReadingDU]

26. Lots of good historical background

Please keep this thread open!