Do you think the world will ever stand up to the US? Will it ever...

[CoffeeCat]

...come to that point that the US will be in trouble with the rest of the world?

I'm getting pretty pessimistic about our ability to enact change against these immoral, fascist PNAC thugs. They have all of the elements in place to: Spy on us, detain us indefinitely, torture us, search our homes, define us as "enemy combatants" with no rights, open our mail, steal our votes, cripple us economically with skyrocketing energy and health care costs, bankrupt our country. And now, they're building detention camps.

Their warmongering continues to spread--and I'm sure their thuggery will only exacerbate and further cause horrible misery for untold people and countries--including our own.

I'm wondering...who will save our country (and us) from these pigs?

How will they do it?

Will they do it?

[Ecumenist]

1. Unfortunately, I feel that we're beginning to see the

start of the push back of the workd against our coutry. The worst thing about this is the fact that the majority of the people in the country...

[Erika]

2. Our debt is being purchased largely by China

As Buchanan pointed out, we can no longer threaten China, because they are our banker. We no longer have any leverage with them, per W's actions.

[Oversea Visitor]

3. Yes Iran

Line drawn
No one talking
World pass talking too much
Didnt work in Iraq

No one like it to happen
But LINE is there
Bush cross at his and Americans peril.

Signals all over very quiet but he not seeing any of it

[AngelFactor]

4. It so simple actually

Enjoy the moments you have and BEWARE GESTAPO 911.

* * *

American Justice? Sure, so why is an attorney getting away with tampering with court documents even though three pages of emails detailing what was done were inadvertently filed with the court.

See for yourself: http://www.maximumadvocacy.com/Court_records.html look on pages 25-27 of document 64. It's quite obvious.

Unbelievable. Priceless. Hilarious, if it wasn’t so sad but true.

How’s your faith in the justice system?

Pray you never need it.

[CoffeeCat]

7. That was disturbing...

Welcome to DU AngelFactor. :)

I looked at pgs 25-27, and it's hard to believe what I'm reading.

Evidence of document tampering was admitted into evidence, correct?

Was the tampering and lying--by those attorneys--addressed? Or was it ignored?

[babylonsister]

5. No way; we're taking it back! I feel more hopeful than I have in a

long time; people are finally waking up!

[Warpy]

6. That's one of the things I'm most afraid of

that the next 3 years will see that maniac in the White House starting to lob nukes and that the rest of the world will unite against us. It's happened before, you see, that a tinpot dictator has taken over an industirial power and has caused trouble in the world. The last two times we were on the winning side. We won't be on the winning side this time.

[kaneko]

8. It is very curious

that when I first came to this country, I was often asked by
Americans :" Why did'nt the
Germans stop Hitler while they could?"  I am not a
German, but I would like to return this question to Americans
now.

[justice1]

9. I've had similar thoughts.

[AndyTiedye]

10. Why? This is Why

[Kailassa]

12. Thanks, I hadn't seen that one before.

A lot more was done in both Germany and America to prevent people from speaking out.

People are manipulated to bully and harass those who do speak out, and this gradually increases so that those being bullied gradually just learn to shut up, without realizing what a dramatic change this is from the days when there genuinely was free speech.

The existence of huge internment camps, the findings of Tularemia on air monitors after a huge demonstration, the surveillance of the internet, ... these are just some of the things that make people think twice before standing up to the government.

Those who are stubborn enough to keep speaking up are silenced in various ways. Look at what was done to McKinney, and when mere ridicule won't work they have used anthrax letters and plane crashes.

And then a ludicrous condescension to free speech is made in the form of "free speech zones."
Here in Australia, I can't convince my friends that those zones could ever be erected in America,"the land of free speech," and they believe it could never happen here. But I expect out Buschco-loving government will find a way to bring it in here too. `

[pitohui]

11. are you german?

that is a very rude question for people to ask why you didn't stop hitler, hello, they didn't hear of the camps for political prisoners?

no one in germany when i have visited there has asked me why i haven't stopped bush, they just accept i am an ordinary person and not an over-thrower of worlds

seems we should pay citizens of other countries the same respect

[Warpy]

18. You won't hear that question now.

We know.

[Random_Australian]

13. If it comes to, it is unlikely that you will be saved any more than Iraq.

Depends what lines you cross.
If you nuke anyone without damn, damn good reason, you are totally screwed.
If you interfere with other nations oil supplies, they'll get really, really angry.
And if anyone calls your debt, you'll just collapse from the inside.

But really, I'll reiterate: If it comes to, you'll be as liberated as Iraq.

Not nice huh? x( I'm not looking forward to it.

[Balbus]

14. Not a chance

Does not make good business sense to be on America's bad side.

[Kailassa]

15. Unless it puts you on the good side on Europe or China ...

America might be used to being the big bully who can get away with murder, but the country has been sold out by a government of traitors and thieves, who have done more to bring America to her knees than all the rest of the world could ever have done.

[Balbus]

16. Both Europe and China need the United States to survive.

So goes the U.S. so goes China and Europe. It might be a bitter pill to swallow but, yes, the U.S. is that important...

[PFunk]

17. I think it's starting....

...Though it'll be ecconomic instead of military.

[Spazito]

19. It is slowly happening now, imo

It will be economically and through isolating the US through different alliances ala South and Central American countries forming new economic, strategic groups without the US.

The US dollar will continue to fall, slowly so those who are dependent on it can diversify their markets, etc, before the collapse of the dollar. There is little manufacturing done in the US to cushion the fall of the dollar as had happened historically.

China and India will be have the economic power in a relatively short time as opposed to the US, imo.

[The Traveler]

20. We have to do our own work

Who will save us from the "saviors" from, say China? If we want to keep our freedom, we better not rest our hopes upon the courage of foreigners. The thugs in power weaken our country and make new enemies, making us ever more vulnerable. As they observe this, the democracies of the world wonder when WE will stand up and throw these thugs out.

If we are unwilling to do so, it may be a long time before a "savior" trusts us to run our own affairs again.

We have to struggle for our own freedom. For now, that struggle is a political one. If America descends more deeply into the patterns of tyranny, that may change.