The Rubublicans failed to take New Orleans today!

[Keseys Ghost]

Mayor's race: Nagin 39% and Landrieu 28% - run off.

Many thanks to all of the grass roots organizers, the NAACP, the local Democratic party, the antiwar movement, the Greens, and everyone else who helped keep the barbarians at the gate.

WHEW!

ONWARD!

[Blue_In_AK]

1. This is excellent news.

[Keseys Ghost]

6. Indeed. It was a must win.

I would be happy with either of these two guys or Rev, Watson.

There were some really dangerous nutjobs in the field.

They tried to rig this one too, but the people are catching on.

[stepnw1f]

2. Very Cool (nt)

[Monk06]

53. Cool and the coolest thing is that it will give FReepers an aneurysm. n/t

[stepnw1f]

82. Could Be

I care less about them. Freepers have become a form of sick entertainment for me.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

3. That Is Very Good News Indeed.

And shame on me for actually forgetting about this today. Thanks for the reminder and update!

[fooj]

4. Truth is our most powerful weapon.

Peace.

[pitohui]

7. yes and it would be nice if some posters upsteam got some

see my other post, anyone from new orleans is aware that nagin is GOP

[madfloridian]

27. Nagin declared on C-Span today he had never been GOP.

So either he is lying or you are not telling the truth.

[pitohui]

36. so a GOP politician lied

wow, slap me and call me sally, because you know that just never happened before!

edited because my own reply was rude and over the top, sorry, i'm just a bit impatient at times

[madfloridian]

51. Can you show where he was ever registered Republican?

If not, then you should not call him a liar. It is out of line.

[pitohui]

72. christ girl

do i believe you or my own lyin' eyes

sorry i believe my lying eyes

i can't believe you are continuing w. this, he got up on teevee and endorsed BOBBY FUCKING JINDAL FOR CHRISSAKES

i don't understand what further proof you need

you go to the effin courthouse to prove what we already know already, 'kay?

because you won't believe the truth from anybody else

go to the courthouse, go the times picayune morgue, and see for yourself

[madfloridian]

74. He just now said it on TV again. Lifelong Democrat.

Hey, I just saw the link to NPR, so I am confused. I saw him on TV today and tonight on the replay.

If it were my mayor, I would be on the phone early Monday. maybe you should.

I don't think I am being stubborn, just confused. He just said it again, you guys need to get proof from him about his registration.

[pitohui]

5. nagin is a republican

actually if you were from the area, you would know that nagin is a lifelong republican who only switched his party affiliation to run for mayor of new orleans since only democrats can win there

in fact he supports george bush and he endorsed bobby jindal (r-fascist) in the governor's race against blanco, in case you were wondering why blanco and nagin can't get along, it's because he is not just a DINO, he is an out and out fake and not shy about putting forward the GOP agenda

so i don't think there is any "whew" abt it considering he was one of the top 3 candidates and indeed received the most votes


sorry to be a buzzkill but there is this little thing called fact i'm a bit picky abt

it's a disgrace that the man got any votes at all, he would do less harm if he went back to selling cable teevee

[Keseys Ghost]

8. Actually, I am from the area...born and bred and across the lake

And Ray is anything but a Republican today.

Do you not welcome former Republicans who come to see the light?

The Republicans lost today whether you like it or not.

[pitohui]

10. nagin hasn't seen any light whatsoever

how has nagin seen the light, he spends his days stabbing governor blanco, who is a genuine democrat, in the back

fuck him

the republicans lost nothing they didn't already not have and apparently have even succeeded in pulling the wool over many, such as naacp, which should know better!

[Keseys Ghost]

12. Blanco is unqualified and always has been

I sat that election out. She was a disaster waiting to happen.

[pitohui]

16. yes yes the northshore party line

there is always some reason to throw the vote to the GOP :eyes:

[Maddy McCall]

20. LOL....North shore clear up to the Mississippi state line.

Northshore and north is saturated with Republicans. Even more conservative than the area of Mississippi where I live.

:hi:

[Maddy McCall]

24. You may have sat it out, but Nagin endorsed Jindal.

Nagin also endorsed Bush and contributed to his campaign coffers. You can call it "myth," but there are NUMEROUS sources out there to prove it's true.

[juajen]

69. Boy, do I resent that remark!

I think she is highly qualified and is doing a good job in the face of a terrible tragedy. Tell me please how she is not qualified? She has been in state government for over 20 years and I have always found her honest and forthcoming. She was Lt. Governor to Mike Foster, a republican, and obviously impressed him, as he refused to endorse the republican who ran against her in that race. I believe that was very telling. Why do you dislike her?

[Maddy McCall]

14. Do you still live there? Were you displaced by Katrina?

[Keseys Ghost]

45. Stayed under a blue tarp and am still rebuilding, still resisting

Actively engaged in progressive politics in what is admittedly Red State Nation.

Co-founder of the Louisiana Activist Network and founder of the Covington Peace Project.

Civil rights lawyer and criminal defence attorney.

Grassroots organizer for Kerry and other Democratic candidates, both local and national.

Legal counsel to Cindy Sheehan and "housew lawyer" at Camp Casey last summer.

Member of the ACLU, Southern Poverty Law Center, Southern Peace Alliance, and Amnesty International.

Do you consider me to be a Freeper. Need some other credentials? I've got them.

I simply think it's good that New Orleans didn't get stuck with Foreman, Wilson, or the baseball nutjob.

And I question the true basis of some of the angst I'm feeling on this thread regarding the outcome of this election.

[Maddy McCall]

55. I was asking to ascertain whether or not you...

have any involvement in NOLA politics.

You obviously don't know me on DU. I've NEVER accused anyone of being a freeper. I've never tried to push anyone out of an argument in that way.

I agree with you...and thank god that Wilson only pulled one-percent. What a pitbull she is!

I'm pulling for Landrieu--I'll admit that. Still, it doesn't obscure the fact that Nagin was a Bush and Jindal supporter. Somethings in politics are unforgivable.

[Keseys Ghost]

57. I am sorry if I misunderstood your direction

I am invested there with family and roots. I live 30 minutes away and go there often; today, as a matter of fact. It is my home and always will be.

I know Mitch well and think he will win and make a fine mayor.

If I had been able to vote today, I probably would have gone that way.

Nagin won't have the numbers.

[pitohui]

71. no one thinks you're a freep, kelsey

in my humble o, you are naive and being manipulated but heh you prob. have similar ideas about me

that is far different from accusing you of being a deliberate plant which i don't believe having seen you on other threads

maybe it is a case of we had better accept that good people can disagree

i think forman a wonderful human being AND i am glad he didn't win, i want him back doing what he has done so well w. the audubon institute

wilson is a crazy but was never in the running

don't tilt at windmills that ain't there

peace, friend

[babylonsister]

11. Nagin 'proclaimed' he wasn't a repug, a Dem his whole life long

at the DNC in NO today, briefly. He did say he fudged facts to 'get along'.
Very interesting!

[Maddy McCall]

17. "fudged facts?"

Why does that not surprise me.

Let's hope Landrieu wins the RO so that we can at least have someone qualified to lead when the next hurricane hits.

[babylonsister]

28. My anger remains with the DHS, FEMA, and the blivet.

Ray Nagin isn't in my scope. He claimed he tried to blur the line between Dem and repug, before the last election, not hurricane.

[Maddy McCall]

32. Among many, my anger IS with Nagin.

As is many of the refugees' who are staying in my little town, situated a mere 60 miles north of the Lake.

[pitohui]

22. yeah how dem was he when he endorsed bobby jindal?

that isn't fudging anything, that is openly proclaiming you are really still in the GOP

jindal is livingston's old district, he's as wingnutty as you can get

[Maddy McCall]

26. Or when he contributed to and campaigned for George W Bush?

[madfloridian]

13. Nagin was on C-Span today, said he was a lifelong Democrat.

Said that was gossip.

[pitohui]

29. GOSSIP???? then mayor nagin is a bald-faced liar

he got on the teevee and endorsed bobby jindal for governor in words of one syllable

i saw it myself and steam is probably still coming out of my ears

he supported the re-election of george bush

crap people get a grip

judge a man by his character and not the color of his skin already

seriously!

[Maddy McCall]

31. Evidence that he contributed $1000 to GW Bush

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=Nagin&txtState=LA&txtZip=&txtEmploy=&txtCand=Bush&txt2000=Y&Order=N

Search Criteria:
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Recipient: Bush
Donor State: LA
Cycle(s) selected: 2000

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Contributor
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NAGIN, C RAY
NEW ORLEANS,LA 70122
COX COMMUNICATIONS
3/30/1999
$1,000
Bush, George W

[Maddy McCall]

30. He lied. How many lifelong Dems contributed $1000 to GW Bush...

and campaigned for Bush?

http://www.citymayors.com/mayors/new_orleans_mayor.html

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=Nagin&txtState=LA&txtZip=&txtEmploy=&txtCand=Bush&txt2000=Y&Order=N

[madfloridian]

34. A lot of Democrats in our area donate to the GOP

Because in Florida it is hard to tell the difference. Saying Nagin lied at the DNC meeting with Howard Dean sitting next to him is not so good.

It is possible to donate to both sides of the aisle. My whole family is Republican except me, I disagree with them but they are good people.

I have neighbors who are registered Democrats who preferred Bush because of his religious views. Now they are sorry, but they did.

[pitohui]

38. well this is louisiana

and i'm telling you that you are mistaken

i'm sorry the man looked sincere as he lied to you, i really am, but lies are part of politics

[Maddy McCall]

40. Indeed, and NOLA on top of that.

[Maddy McCall]

39. LOL. Thanks for the anecdote. It doesn't apply here, though.

Please drop the anecdotes and adress the post. Assertion was that he was a former Republican. Argument was that he wasn't, because he said it was "rumor" and that he "fudged facts."

He donated $1000 to Bush. What I find truly funny is that, in this case, people are trying to excuse that.

:rofl:

[madfloridian]

46. Do you have proof he was registered as a Republican?

If you don't, then you are accusing him of lying at the DNC meeting on C-Span. I am not making an issue of the donation...it is being said he WAS Republican. He says he never was.

I think it is serious to call someone a liar, don't you?

[Maddy McCall]

50. Do you have proof, other than his word, that he was a Democrat....

before he ran for mayor?

Are you going to keep avoiding the fact that he CONTRIBUTED $1000 (his only political contribution on record) to GW Bush and stumped for him BEFORE he was elected mayor, AND he stumped for Jindal AFTER he was elected mayor? Both are Republicans. Were those "lies," or "fudging fact?"

Has it ever crossed your mind that in NOLA a black Republican could never have been elected, but a black Democrat COULD?

[madfloridian]

52. I did not accuse him of lying. You did. The burden of proof is yours.

.

[Maddy McCall]

62. I proved it. If you are too stubborn to read the links I posted...

From the citymayors.com link:

http://www.citymayors.com/mayors/new_orleans_mayor.html

More controversially, Nagin had actually been a registered Republican for most of his adult life, switching to the Democrats shortly before seeking office, for which his candidacy was branded as opportunistic in the solidly Democrat city.

And as late as December 2005 he considered himself a "former Republican."

Day to Day, November 17, 2005 · Former Republican businessman Ray Nagin became a Democrat and beat several other candidates to become the mayor of New Orleans in 2002. His post-Katrina performance has earned him both condemnation and praise. Susan Roesgen of member station WWNO profiles Nagin.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5016860

[madfloridian]

64. I remember some controversy about other candidates...

Would there be a way of getting records of his registration? The Clark supporters did that when he was said to be a former Republican. They found records.

Since he said it today on TV during a DNC meeting, perhaps you guys could write his office or a newspaper there and get him to clarify.

It would be easy to prove. I am not being stubborn. I remember the controversy about Clark, and mainstream media was saying it as well...but he was not really ever registered as one.

If he lied on TV, then you need to pursue it.

[HuffleClaw]

9. and this was AFTER they effectively disenfranchised a whole

mess o' people too iirc.

[pitohui]

15. proof?

facts not in evidence?

the same guy who helped fuck it up won the plurality of the votes

the same guy who endorsed the republican governor's office candidate and the republican president is the winner

that is a sad and sorry definition of winning, my friend

to me all it proves is there ain't no justice, the worse a job a man does, the more he is rewarded in this sorry world

nagin is no different from his good buddy george bush in that respect

frankly it makes me wonder if democracy is just a lie because people really are too stupid

[Keseys Ghost]

21. Thanks for sharing

I notice certain subjects seem to really rile you up to the point that feel the need to use vulgar language and resort to implying that those who disagree with you are "stupid".

Was it the reference to the NAACP? That certainly has set you off before.

[pitohui]

25. because the naacp tried to stop an election and they disappointed me

their traditional role has been to extend the franchise, not to put a stop to the franchise

i guess i am disappointed but everyone makes mistakes

they do not seem to have a good grasp on local politics and some of the outside protestors already cost people their chance to get their homes demolished for free and some other not too little things like that which impacted people i know financially in a negative way

the first rule of buddha is do no harm

*sigh*

i'll get over it

[madfloridian]

19. What's going on with these attacks on them?

Do you have proof?

[pitohui]

33. who is "them"?

of course there is proof, do you have proof of the laws of gravity, nagin's endorsements are a matter of public record, i invite you to look them up for yourself

the landrieus are long time generational democrats and if anything i said could be taken as a slam against them, it should not be read that way, there are always little gripes we can offer because it ain't the perfect world but i'm sure mitch will do a fine job if he wins the run-off

which i suppose he will be looking at tonight's numbers

[madfloridian]

37. It is being said he is a former Republican, he says he wasn't.

That is my issue. Many Democrats donate to Republicans, especially in Florida.

[pitohui]

41. yes, republicans lie, don't they

as i said upstream

the man used the new orleans mayor's office to campaign for bobby jindal

he is GOP to the bone

[Maddy McCall]

42. Yeah, in Florida. But we aren't talking about Florida, are we?

:banghead:

[madfloridian]

18. On C-Span today I was impressed with Nagin, Landrieu, Blanco.

I guess it is the first time I realized how much they really lost during the storms. Brazile and Landrieu families were flooded out.

[madfloridian]

23. There's some possible slander going on in this thread.

I don't know why. All of them spoke at the DNC meeting today, and they were impressive.

[Maddy McCall]

35. Could you point out any specific slander? Everything is backed up....

What exactly do you consider "slanderous?"

If I were Nagin, I, too, would claim it was all rumor, were it not for that little fact that there's proof out there that backs up the claims made by DUers in this thread.

[madfloridian]

43. He said he was never Republican, so you need to prove he was.

"actually if you were from the area, you would know that nagin is a lifelong republican who only switched his party affiliation to run for mayor of new orleans since only democrats can win there"

"and this was AFTER they effectively disenfranchised a whole
mess o' people too iirc. "

And the word "lie" is being used freely. I don't care who wins there, but he can donate to Republicans and not be one.

[Maddy McCall]

44. I posted the links above.

Are you incapable of reading them?

[madfloridian]

Duplicate post, deleted by self.

[madfloridian]

48. Those are donations. He did not say anything about donations.

He said he was never a Republican and you guys are saying he is a bold-faced liar. I think fair is fair. He could have donated and not been Republican.

[Maddy McCall]

63. Ok, you're just being stubborn and ignorant now...

of what I posted. Actually, above I posted snippets not only from an article at citymayors.com, but also from an NPR webpage.

Now, you find me something to prove that he was a Democrat when he donated to Bush. If you can't do that, my discussion with you is done, because I'm not going to belabor a point I've already proven when you continue to ignore your burden to prove he was a Democrat.

G'night.

[madfloridian]

65. No, if he lied on TV then it is the job of his constituents to prove it.

I just replied to your post above, as I had missed that statement. There are ways to look up registration, and those in his city should do that and make sure.

It is not stubbornness it is alarm that your sources say a mayor lied on TV. If it were my city, I would be on the phone Monday.

The show is re-airing on C-Span 1 at 2:31, just a few minutes.

[Maddy McCall]

47. His only political donation on open secrets is to Bush.

None to Democrats. NONE.

[madfloridian]

49. You said he lied about being Republican.

One can donate to Republican and not be one.

[Maddy McCall]

56. You do understand that we are talking about GEORGE FUCKING BUSH?

Not just some centrist Republican running for state legislature....we are talking about George W Bush.

Wow...if you excuse that, you've told me more about yourself than Nagin.

Ciao.

[madfloridian]

58. There is a difference in donating to and BEING a Republican.

If you think harshly of me for wanting the truth to be told, then that is your problem not mine.

Just show me where he was a Republican, and I will apologize.

It is wrong to call an elected official a liar without proof. I don't approve that he gave to Bush, but that does not make him a Republican.

[KitchenWitch]

54. That is fabulous news for a place that needs fabulous news.

[Keseys Ghost]

59. Thank you - That's why I started the thread

If Ron Foreman were in the runoff, or, God forbid, the swine-like Peggy Wilson, we'd be having an entirely more depressing discussion this evening.

[madfloridian]

60. The thread got hijacked...

I know you love that. Glad Democrats won there. Thanks for sharing.

[Keseys Ghost]

61. Back at you

[pitohui]

73. wilson never had a chance

you really sweated wilson, come on

she's a novelty act from way back

[madfloridian]

66. If the NPR interview is correct, then you guys need to do something.

If it is speculation, you need to prove it or have NPR prove it.

The show is coming up at 2:30 on C-SPAN...shortly. He is on fairly near the start.

[Keseys Ghost]

67. Tuning in....

[Keseys Ghost]

70. There it is: "Lifelong Democrat"

Hmmmm....

[madfloridian]

76. So you heard it, too. Perhaps some could understand my frustration.

Instead of calling me ignorant, a fool, and stubborn. Not you,the others here.

When Clark was said to be a Republican, his supporters found the registration records. Since Nagin said this to the nation on TV, maybe some there could find more records.

I hate being called ignorant. I just hate being called names.

Thanks for watching and verifying.

[pitohui]

75. it has been proved for years now

look, hon, i am sorry you got lied to, but you got lied to, okay

it has been proven years ago now

i don't even get why you are arguing abt this, you make yourself look a fool to anyone who lives within 300 miles of new orleans

five minutes on google proves it if you don't accept the word of mere democrats

[madfloridian]

78. Don't call me hon. And the nation needs to know.

Maybe you guys could find the records like the Clark supporters did. Do not ever call me hon, and no, it was very believable today.

You guys were calling names, insulting all your leaders who have had the worst disaster ever in our history hit with the fool for president who wanted to take over the state.

Insulting me does not solve the problem you guys have that someone is lying...perhaps records of registration need to be found.

Did you just hear him on C-Span? Just now? Your city has a big problem, and records need to be found to prove it.

[Acebass]

68. It's as it should be...rock and roll!...

[Vampgrrl]

77. Go Mitch Go

Yall do actually realize that Mitch Landrieu is a big time liberal Democrat.

Nagin was more of a moderate but with a foot in mouth problem who played on fears of a white mayor in New Orleans?

There is a runoff next month. Here's hopin'
Go Mitch Go


EDIT:
NAGIN, C RAY
3/30/1999 $1,000.00
NEW ORLEANS, LA 70122
COX COMMUNICATIONS
BUSH FOR PRESIDENT INC
http://www.fecinfo.com/cgi-win/x_allindiv.exe


booya

[Vampgrrl]

79. I think NOT

NAGIN, C RAY
3/30/1999 $1,000.00
NEW ORLEANS, LA 70122
COX COMMUNICATIONS
BUSH FOR PRESIDENT INC
http://www.fecinfo.com/cgi-win/x_allindiv.exe



And you were saying?

[Acebass]

80. So a run off doesn't work in your favor?...

[ratzworth]

81. THE DEMOCRATS WON! YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HIP HIP HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!

That news is just great to hear! Onward, indeed!!!!!!!!!!!

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