Cynthia McKinney's 'fool' remark

[TheWebHead]

Cynthia McKinney is caught on tape referring to her aide as 'a fool.' The then tried to order what the reporter could and couldn't broadcast. WGCL (CBS 46) Renee Starzyk reports (April 23)

video (sorry, you have to copy/paste):
cbs46.com/global/video/popup/pop_playerLaunch.asp?clipid1=763639&at1=News&vt1=v&h1=McKinney+Speaks+Again&d1=164133&redirUrl=www.cbs46.com&activePane=info&LaunchPageAdTag=homepage

or
http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2006/04/23/starzyk.ga.mckinney.walks.out.affl

[Renew Deal]

1. I saw that.

What does it actually mean? Who lied about what?

[Poll_Blind]

2. Well, the boss just got bushwhacked. I am not suprised she's pissed.

PB

[stevekatz]

3. wow

nt

[xultar]

4. So. She didn't tell anyone to go FUCK THEMSELVES...like Cheney.

[stevekatz]

5. why

does everything around here have to run back to cheney and bush?

[xultar]

9. Because I muthafuckin said so.

[stevekatz]

10. lol

Hail Hitl... err Xultar!

[xultar]

11. DAYM STRAIGHT.

[xultar]

24. So, let me ask you a question... Cheney used the Fword on Video and

that didn't make the news. Why should this?

[stevekatz]

27. I dont know

stupid media?

When was this anyway? I remember him saying f u to some senator before the election, that was in the news briefly

[xultar]

54. I like you. I know you're not a Democrat and that is kewl with me.

I would like to keep up with how you are thinking about various issues.

[stillcool]

30. and on the senate floor....no less...

as so many fail to see....it is not the content....but it is those supplying the spotlight, and shining it on singular incidents no matter how trivial, in order to smear a person's character. People are dying, and a country is being turned to rubble, while 'we the people' are concerned with the use of the word 'fool'. How appropos.

[HardWorkingDem]

32. Don't think it ever made it to video...just one Senate floor...

if so though, I'd like to see it.....

[xultar]

60. I saw a tape of it like John Stewart cuz I know he covered it. They

always show a tape of Cheney walking out of the senate passing a group of folks and shaking hands and he says it and scoots the fuck on outta dodge.

[aikoaiko]

35. Because she told the media they 'can't' report her comment.

eta:
or, rather, "not permissable" was the phrase she used.

[Kingshakabobo]

50. It wasn't an unreasonable demand.

Assuming she let the station "mic" her for THEIR sound benefit. It's not like she asked the station to help her dispose of a dead body. The mic was put there for a public discussion not as a bug. Sure, shame on her for forgetting about the mic but she wasn't out of line for asking that conversation picked up outside the original intent of the mic not be used.

[aikoaiko]

53. I don;t like it when politicians say the press needs their permission to..

...report on their behavior or words.

I find that unreasonable.

[Kingshakabobo]

57. I guess you are not taking in to account the give-and-take aspect.

Politicians divulge information ALL THE TIME "off the record" and reporters agree to accept information "off the record."

How about this: I, as a politician/subject of an interview, let you put a mic ON MY PERSON with the implied understanding if I forget to remove it you don't get to bug me for the rest of the day-night-week. Otherwise, you don't the convenience of having a mic on my neck and good sound quality for your evening broadcast.

I know the deal wasn't negotiated upfront but there has to be some sense of fair-play and an implied "gentleman's agreement."

Other than that, I have no love for politicians and McKinney is no exception so I can see your side too. Eh.

[walldude]

48. If it didn't make the media, then how did the story get out I wonder...

[xultar]

67. Not the MSM...I heard about it on DU then John Stewart. Not CNN,

MSNBC, FAUX, CNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS.

There what did you think I was a fuckin IDIOT. You don't get real news from the media anyfuckinway.

I get my news off the net.

[orleans]

101. CNN and horrible carol lin played it last night n/t

[orleans]

100. it did make the media--i was watching it on CNN n/t

[Bushy Being Born]

62. Cheney didn't use the F-word on video

The only ones who heard him use it was Leahy and a few congressional aides.

[xultar]

68. Thanks for the info.

[Mr_Spock]

21. I love you Xultar!!

You got the best attitude. :D

[xultar]

55. ...

Thank ya BayBay.

[Mr_Spock]

61. lmao!!

:rofl:

[CatWoman]

44. ROFL!!!!

*SNAP*

:rofl:

you GO, girl!!! :D

[Mr_Spock]

64. I'm telling you!

:rofl:

She's good.

[greekspeak]

12. over half a decade out, the RW still blames everything on Bill Clinton

So why can't people blame the idiots in charge now for things going on now?

[Name removed]

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[greekspeak]

15. So would I. But hey they have screwed up so much that one more thing

on the list won't make much difference.

[xultar]

17. Ohhh Mods. Can we keep this one if he behaves? He's fun!

[Mr_Spock]

25. I'm visualizing a cat playing with a catnip stuffed mouse toy!

:rofl:

[xultar]

56. How'd you guess? But that is exactly what I'm doin and I love it!

[devilgrrl]

36. He'll be around for a bit...

there's another one spewing bollocks in another thread - he's still around too.

[goclark]

73. xultar you are too good tonight!

ROTFL "Can we keep this one?"

[xultar]

18. You got that right.

[Catrina]

37. We, the base are smarter, don't confuse the base with the leadership

who many times facilitated the huge crimes committed by the Bush cabal. To answer your question 'why does everything go back to Cheney/Bush?

Each time I hear of ANY little minor screw-up by a Dem, it reminds me of the MAJOR crimes of the current administration ~ most of which were ignored by the MSM, thereby leading this country down a disastrous and dangerous road.

So, Cynthia said something not too complimentary about someone (can't check the link, so I'm guessing) and this is important?? Maybe in a different time, when we didn't have to worry about this insane administration starting WW111, but now, all it does is serve as a reminder as to how the Dems failed to speak up, to attack these criminals every chance they got. That was a HUGE mistake, one we won't make again. Cynthia did, she was right as it turns out, so now she is a target.

I will not participate in a witch hunt against one of the few Dems who were smart enough to see this administration for what it was.

Will you jump on the 'smear John Conyers' campaign that has now started, also? In case you want to jump on that bandwagon, it seems Mr. Conyers asked one of his staff members to BABYSIT for his children!! Many years ago! Imagine that!!

In 2006 he'll be a chairman of the Judicial Committee, so now he cannot be ignored any longer. He must be smeared. I expect to see certain DUers here 'considering the evidence' before 'acting like rightwingers' etc. etc. as we stand by and watch another good American attacked and smeared by Rove's slime machine. Well, no, most of us will not do that. Not anymore!

[AspenRose]

81. Same reason everything at FR goes back to the Clenis.

eom

[awoke_in_2003]

6. or take him on a hunting trip

:)

[tatertop]

8. We just cannot get a break.

She bravely, and correctly, stands up against bush so they
are doing whatever they can to grind her
into the ground. As usual, it seems to be working.

[5X]

7. Is there a better description and maybe a transcript?

I can't run windows media player 9.

[Peace Patriot]

14. Swiftboating 101. Sometimes I think DUers are the stupid ones. WHEN

are we going to get savvy about this kind of "black ops" destruction of leftist politicians?

[Mr_Spock]

26. Not as long as we have hidden agenda people amongst us

I do not understand why this NY Post style of reporting is so important for some here.

Good thing is, some of the trolls get ferreted out in the process. :D

[flyarm]

16. why all this crap?? crap crap crap!!!

we have a pres who has..

lied us into a war..
killed almost 3000 of our soldiers

wounded approx 75,000 of our soldiers for lies

spied on americans and shit on our constitution..

destroyed the carreer of a Cia NOC

destroyed the covert oepration of Brewster Jennings

is about to dump a 700 ton bomb on nevada..

is preparing to dump a nuke on Iran

has shit all over the Geneva convnetions, international law and USA constitutional law
is a war criminal

has lied about being friemds with Ken Lay, Jack Abramoff..and was in bed with them both

has surrounded himself with nothing but criminals and hoods and crooks

2000 missing women of iraq in sex trafficing

a diplomat is being recalled and his translator was murdered while bein investigated by the FBI..in sex trafficing..

military and CIA ready to mutiny...

B.NEY up to his eyeballs in crimes...
Cunninham sent to prson for crimes..real crimes

possibility of 6 congress gop ready to fall at the sword with Abramoff..for real crimes...

people in New Orleans and the gulf coast still don't have a home to go home to..and are getting screwed by fema and insurance companies..

and we are fucking talking about Cynthia McKinney??

when we give this credibility..the media does it more...

just damn sick of this bullshit..when there are serious problems facing this nation
each and every day!

* is and has been bankrupting this nation


this seems to me like we are giving credibclity to nothing but childish bullshit..it reminds me of jealous young school girl crap...

ok everyone get around the locker...lets talk about that cynthia girl...

gosh...it seems so childish..

when we have grown up problems!

fly

[DS1]

23. Don't you see it yet? Politics isn't local, it's personal

Schiavo, personal
Holloway, personal
Lewinsky, personal
3000 dead - numbers

[IndyOp]

19. Oh, good! Let's play "Attack a Progressive Democrat" !

It isn't enough that the Republicans are encouraging attacks on Progressive Dems at every possible moment. Let's join them! This is what makes the Democratic Party look unified and politically astute.

Let's ask ourselves how/whether putting the limelight on a Progressive Dems 'faults' helps our cause? We ought to DEFEND HER because she is our own -- at least until she does something illegal. (Hell, the Rethugs support theirs well after illegal actions, indictment and on into prison!)

McKinney is abrupt in all the RIGHT ways -- she has asked the impolite questions that desperately need to be asked about 911; Osama bin Laden; and ELECTION FRAUD. When she returned from Sundance Film Festival - where a new film was shown that highlights disenfranchisement of African American voters and includes her - someone 'rolled' her front lawn, not with toilet paper, but with video tape.

Guess what? Someone who is able to be abrupt enough to 'disrespect' authority and ask questions and make statements that are unpleasant truth is also going to show this trait in other, sometimes less admirable ways.

HER EVERY MOVE IS BEING EXAGGERATED AND ATTACKED in order to destroy her credibility -- help them destroy her and you help them destroy OUR ABILITY to speak out against this nightmare of a government.

:grr:

[Gabi Hayes]

20. let's see if the same old bunch of antiMcKinney (I'm sure they have a

more salubrious description for themselves) bashers latches on to this one

can't wait to see who starts piling on

[ShortnFiery]

42. You got that right!

Like gleeful scampering flame-throwing cockroaches, they scamper in from all portions of the woodwork. Oh, once again they softly claim that "they are asking innocently" - BUT we know all the usual McKinney basher's personas that appear like POOF! ... their reputations precede them.

OK, I'm at the ready to shoot down all those lame a** arguments again. NOT! :hi:

*On Edit: My favorite word for this week is *scamper* :rofl: :blush:

[meganmonkey]

43. Why, they're just unthreatening 'moderates'

who don't like those 'left-wing loonies' like McKinney who make the Dems 'look bad' :eyes:

Yes, it is much better to have people who look forgettable, speak so blandly that they leave no impression and don't shock the poor ignorant masses with the truth of our deMOCKracy :sarcasm:

[Pastiche423]

28. Excellent post!

For the life of me, I can't understand why some liberals/progressives are falling for this smear. For cripe's sake, it hasn't been that long since their last smear in 2002.

Many here scream for Dems w/backbones, but when a Dem does have a backbone and speaks up LOUDLY, she gets scolded.

[okieinpain]

22. oh hell, I thought she was being mean to one of her workers.

hell she's just a pissed off boss. this is a none story, I only wish she hadn't gone back to talk to the reporter, she should know they are just baiting her.

[jbnow]

38. What? I can't get it to play

but I read that she called her worker a fool and then told the press not to report it.

Is that incorrect?

If so not great but not a crime and she is not known to be a diplomat. (Still it is something we'd talk about it a republican did it.)

[okieinpain]

93. probably so, but I've said some pretty choice things about my sister

behind her back too. I just think this one is a big nothing.

[0007]

29. CNN has got to be kidding! This is absolutely nothing.

[Renew Deal]

33. That's what I'm trying to understand.

What does it actually mean? Who's the fool and why should I care? It is uncouth of her to ask them not to use it on camera.

[AlCzervik]

31. thank God there aren't 2 wars going or else CNN couldn't have possibly

had time to report such nonsense.

[IndyOp]

45. ...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

"thank God there aren't 2 wars going or else CNN couldn't have possibly had time to report such nonsense."

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[aikoaiko]

34. Here's a thread from earlier today.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1002999&mesg_id=1002999

[Mr_Spock]

40. Yawn

This is so exciting

[robinlynne]

39. boy. that's some eyeopening investigative journalism going on there...

nothing like getting to the heart of really important matters at a time like this...
lets' see,
fraudulent elections
a war for no reason
thousands of deaths
thousands of people homeless in new orleans and across america and the world
global warming
species going extinct for greed and profits.

I really care if someone called someone else a fool.
big important stuff.
can I borrow someone's sarcasm icon?

[AlCzervik]

41. i know, it's a shame the Pulitzers were handed out, maybe they can get

a Polk/Peabody like O'Lielly, in fact i bet this will be his lead story tomorrow night.

[IndyOp]

46. Here you go....

:sarcasm:

FYI, the dripping sarcasm icon is just the word sarcasm with colons on both ends -- I'll insert spaces to illustrate

: sarcasm :

[robinlynne]

97. Thanks Indy.

[Kingshakabobo]

47. OMG!!! She used the "F" word. OMG!!! OMG!!! OMG!!! n/t

[walldude]

49. You know in the entertainment industry

they say you can tell what kind of person someone is by the way they treat the crew. Same goes for politics. While this isn't news I'm suprised people are jumping up to defend her. I'm not into bashing Dems but I'm also not into being embarassed by the way someone behaves.

[Kingshakabobo]

51. What did I miss? She called one of her employees a fool.

Is that what you are embarrassed about? Was there some profanity?

BTW, I didn't support her one bit if she did in fact hit that cop but this is such a non-issue I'm starting to re-think my position on the "tinfoiler's" theories.

[walldude]

59. I'm embarassed by all her recent actions

including her abuse of an aide. Sorry, you don't publicly berate an employee, it shows bad taste. She certainly isn't helping anyone with the way she acts. You can disagree with me, this is just my opinion. The fact is though I deal with many famous people and the actions that she is revealing in public speak loudly to who she is in private. I'm sure many people disagree with me. I have the same trouble with the Dixie Chicks. They have been held up here as icons, when in fact they'll be lucky to put together a crew to tour. I don't know a roadie anywhere that is willing to work with them again.

[digno dave]

66. the "fool" remark was harmless...the demand afterwords was the kicker

nt

[TheWebHead]

52. not to mention she's trying to stifle a free press

Though it's not inconsistent with her refusal to accept responsiblity for her errors - which include her weasel-worded apology. I too am surprised at the desire to hop aboard the sinking ship Cynthia. She's not the example that will win us back the House.

[Karenina]

58. As you continue to lob your bombs

doing whatever you feel is within your power to "sink Cynthia," I think of what the PNAC's stated plans are for you and cannot imagine a more deserving fellow.

[TheWebHead]

63. trust me

if Democrats go to the mat for Cynthia and Democrats that would behave like her, PNAC's goals will be much more easily carried about because we'd be winning very few elections. This forum would literally be going bonkers -- and rightfully so -- if it were Tom DeLay caught on tape calling an aide a fool and then demanding the news outlet to not report it.

[digno dave]

83. agree..."Is that understood?!" remark to media person was vile & *-like

nt

[EstimatedProphet]

76. You want to talk about treating employees badly, look at Bush

He's treated our soldiers pretty badly I'd say. Far worse than calling them fools.

[Jigarotta]

94. good one, yehaaaa and a high five to you! nt

[digno dave]

65. I just watched the video and her "demand" was scary ludicrous

that was some nasty tone she took when she lectured the media on what was and wasn't permissible to be aired. If Delay pulled that crap, this board would be on fire.

[aikoaiko]

69. I know, there are too many people who can't handle the dissonance

of supporting the democratic party, but wanting a particular democrat politician to not shot herself in the foot when she handles herself in front of the press after unfortunate incidents.

Its like half the people in this thread are stuch in dualistic thinking of the preoperational stage of cognitive development.

[mondo joe]

70. The demand was ludicrous, the smile while issuing it was scary.

I dunno what's up with that.

[Cookie wookie]

71. Give me a break!

It's taken years for Delay to even be tried for breaking the law.

If it's against the law to call someone a fool, we'll all be heading to jail.

Cynthia bashing seems to be a passtime with some DUers. Why? Because her every cross mood and angry word becomes a media event while the criminals destroy this country and the world -- and McKinney, by the way, is one Dem who stands up to them and tries to stop them.

Phhhtttt.

[digno dave]

85. good gravy! The "fool" comment is not the issue. Who gives a shit

about that. It's the way she addressed the media person afterwards.

[goclark]

75. And well we should be on fire for DeLay, this is the Democratic

Underground not Freeper Land.

DeLay is the E-N-E-M-Y, he hates our guts, steals our votes, cuts up our neighborhoods so that we can't vote for D E M O C R A T S.

McKinney always watches out for the Poor and Minorities and called Bush OUT on the War in Iraq! She stood up for us at every tough moment!

I repeat, she is N-O-T T-H-E E-N-E-M-Y, Bush is the enemy, NeoCons are the enemy and Freepers are the enemy.

[The Straight Story]

82. The enemies are more than just bush, and McKinney can be one easily

IE - those that see themselves as above us. They are the ones who makes rules for us on one hand, and different rules for themselves on the other.

I don't care what she calls bush out on, if she does similar things she should be called on them as well - and not given a pass on it because we agree with her in a general sense.

Reminds me of when I was a cop - we were held to a higher standard - which is how we must hold her and all our officials.

I love her dearly, but she is not better than you or I on things. She holds bush to a high standard and calls him on it - we should do no less with her.

[KAZ]

98. I'm with goclark on this.

I'll call a Dem out anytime, if it's concerning a matter of substance. It can become an "issue" or "embarrassment" if Dems allow it. For the love of Pete, with all that's going on, with all that's being done "in our name", for this you throw one of your own over the side of ship? What board am I on exactly?

[goclark]

99. Thank you for expressing my thoughts ...

in such a superb manner. :)

I am in no way happy when the MSM that is inspired by Bush throws some stupid crap out on one of ours so that WE as Democrats can be smeared.


When will we ever learn that they are digging real real deep to focus on this minor tidbit when they could be pounding THE DECIDER.

Smoke and Mirrors , just smoke and mirrors.

I hope that Cynthia stands up in the middle of Congress and tells all the "DEMOCRATS,"that want her to go out on a limb and stand alone, against the WAR etc. to take her cell phone and stuff it!

We deserve to have her hold her vote and hold her Voice because she doesn't need to say or do one more thing in the interest of the Democratic Party!

[Radio_Guy]

72. I'm ashamed at CBS46

McKinney should have known the questions that was going to be asked, but I have it on good authority that CBS 46 submitted a list of questions they would ask in advance and there were no questions on that list about the alleged Capitol police incident. This is gotcha journalism pure and simple. I hope McKinney pushes the FCC to yank their license.

[tritsofme]

87. Absurd

Censoring a media outlet for asking politicians uncomfortable questions?

Sounds like the mark of a totalitarian society to me.

[Radio_Guy]

92. It is called being honest

And because they weren't, if I were Cynthia, I would have that station blackballed from getting interviews from her or her colleagues.

[tritsofme]

95. That's quite different than getting the FCC to censor the station

by having their license revoked.

She has the right to be pissed, but intimidating journalists sounds like the work of the right.

[newsguyatl]

74. wow, i guess i'm the odd man out here

i think mckinney is an absolute embarassment to herself and her constituents...

she keeps putting herself in these situations b/c she's a freakin' loose cannon... the media LOVE shit like this.

hell, this video has been the most popular of ALL news videos today on cnn.com

she's just complete batshit crazy.

[Yollam]

78. She's not even a little crazy.

The media ambushed her at what she thought would be a discussion of issues, and she said what anyone might say about an aide who screwed up by letting her get ambushed - she just didn't know the mike was on. The context of what she's saying is TOTALLY different than it would be had she announced to an audience "My aide Coz is a fool".

She may be a loose cannon, but she's not "batshit crazy".

And personally, I wish we had a lot more people like her in the Congress, rather than the "sane" "democrats" who firmly attached their lips to Bush's rectum after 9-11, who voted for his filthy atrocity of a war. Everyone of THEM is batshit crazy and belongs in prison along with Bush for war crimes, in my humble opinion.

[digno dave]

84. that's not teh issue. She dictated to media person what to do w/ material

nt

[Yollam]

86. So?

Okay, she got a little imperious. That makes her "batshit crazy"? What's so crazy about not wanting an off-the-cuff remark made when she thought she was alone to remain private? If anything, she's a bit naive to think that the media would respect her wishes, or that they were required to.

The media have been after her since she first challenged Bush's lies after 9-11 when the rest of the democrats were still cowering in pools of their own urine. They painted her as an anti-semite and a supporter of Hamas. Now they're making her out to be a violent loon.

Cheney fucking shot a man in the FACE during a round of hunting RELEASED birds. Bush has murdered 2400 Americans and 35,000 Iraqis and spent a THREE HUNDRED BILLION dollars JUST on invading a country that never did ANYTHING to us. Joe Lieberman never misses a chance to hug, kiss and praise Bush and his war, and dozens of other "democrats" voted for it.

And McKinney is crazy?

[oasis]

88. The Rove media will try to undo her again w/ a little help from some Dems.

Unfortunately.:cry:

[digno dave]

89. did I say she was crazy? No, i didn't. Dems standard bearers aren't Rove &

Cheney.

[Yollam]

90. The poster I was replying to did.

It seemed as though you were agreeing with that assessment - that her demands made her batshit crazy.

[Imagevision]

77. McKinny apologized, that's all she had to do, fuck em!

[American Tragedy]

79. I can't say I really care very much, but I do seriously wonder

...realistically, how would everybody here be reacting if it were not Cynthia McKinney, but rather somebody like, say, Tom Delay?

[progressivebydesign]

80. Ouch that's a nasty tone. She needs to take some time off..

.. and regroup. She seems really stressed out and this shit is gonna start piling up around her. I'd be pissed if I were "coz". I can't believe anyone thought it would be a good idea for her to back out there and demand that they not use the audio. That just compounds it...

[rman]

91. must discredit popular leaders

[onenote]

96. I'm not a McKinney fan, but this is much ado about nothing

She dumped on a staffer...big deal. She then went back and took the position that anything she said that was overheard by reporters, but not directed to them was "off the record." Did they have to honor that? No. Was it unreasonable for her to take the position she took? No. Members of congress and other officials have "off the record" conversations with reporters all the time. Usually, the ground rules are understood in advance. Sometimes they're just understood. Trying to close the barn door after the fact as McKinney did is rarely going to work, but I didn't interpret her comments as saying that there was no legal right for the station do report her comment about her staffer.

But the fact is that if it was newsworthy everytime a member of Congress criticized or called a staffer a name, there wouldn't be time on the news for anything else. And anytime a media outlet wants to ignore a request that a comment be kept "off the record" its free to do so, and the source of that comment is free to respond by refusing to talk to that media outlet in the future.

onenote