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capi888 Donating Member (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 09:13 AM
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Anyone Notice WHICH STATES the gas is cheaper!
MONTANNA, IDAHO, and UTAH...hummm didn't they all go RED as usual...they have the lowest prices. Highest is HAWAII, and CALIFORNIA...
Cronyism is at work again...
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 09:15 AM
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1. Probably a function of demand more than anything.
Those three states listed have some of the lowest population densities (48, 44, and 41, respectively)
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 09:16 AM
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3. they also have the highest Bush approval ratings
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 09:30 AM
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11. We need to take to the streets
This is nothing but greed! Not to down play shortages to mother nature but GREED by these shysters is the name of the game. Dems and Pugs are on the same side on this one I think.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:09 AM
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18. LOL
Yep, that's it. Artificially deflating prices in states with some of the smallest populations to maintain his approval ratings.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 09:16 AM
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2. Distribution costs are also a part of this, as well as
requirements for environmental additives, other taxes, etc. I don't think it can be blamed purely on cronyism.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 09:43 AM
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12. Mostly, it's the cost of crude oil

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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 09:16 AM
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4. States with lotsa pollution have to have different blends
and they are more expensive (California). And everything is higher in Hawaii because, well, it is an archipelago.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 09:16 AM
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5. I think that the correlation that you're looking for isn't political
It's enviromental. Montana, Idaho and Utah have few pollution restrictions that would require special formulations of gas, while the more enviromentally conscience folks in California and Hawaii require special, more expensive blends. This has always caused gas in those states to be a bit pricier.
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DUHandle Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 09:20 AM
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7. Taxes
vary from State to State.

Within States there are occasionally regions where different fuels must be used.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 09:17 AM
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6. Methinks you need to take off the tinfoil hat.
Gas has always been more expensive in places like California, Hawaii, and DC and cheapest in the woods. Supply and demand.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 09:24 AM
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8. LOL!
:thumbsup:
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 09:25 AM
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9. 2 of the 4 states where Bush still has over 50%
Utah and Idaho. How are prices in Wyoming and Nebraska (the other two)?

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 09:26 AM
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10. What are the taxes on gas in those states compared to others?
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:33 AM
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22. Part of the reason gas is so expensive in NY is the gas tax per gal
we pay. If I gas up on the Akwesasne (Mohawk) reservation it's usually about 10 cents per gallon cheaper since they don't have to charge the tax.

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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 09:46 AM
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13. Seems obvious to me why Hawaii and California are more expensive
Hawaii is remote, and in California the car is king.

But I wonder how prices in Hawaii compare to those in Alaska?


One thing that is odd, though, and that doesn't seem to fit with this whole BS "supply and demand" explaination:

Why is gas still relatively low in more rural (read as REMOTE) areas like Montana and Idaho.... ??? Shouldn't it be more expensive, since there are fewer competing gas stations and it is probably more expensive to get gas to those areas?
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 09:51 AM
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14. check this "gas price" map of US
it does seem odd....the blue states are higher priced.


http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 09:53 AM
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15. And, what are the state/local taxes in the Blue vs. Red areas?
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:41 AM
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23. Gasoline Tax Rates by State (link below) - Fed Gas Tax is 18.4 cpg
http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp

So... (for example) "Blue" NYS (where we live and the cheapest regular gas was $3.10 the middle of last week) is:

31.9 (cpg gas)... 28.9 (cpg diesel) - Includes 8 cents per gallon excise tax, Petroleum Business Tax of 15.2 cents per gallon for gasoline and 13.45 cents per gallon for diesel (rate increased .6 cpg 1/1/05). Statewide volume weighted average sales tax increased 6/1/04 to 8.3 for per gallon for gasoline and 7.1 cents per gallon for diesel. Also a spill tax of 0.3 cent per gallon is collected on gasoline and diesel and a petroleum testing fee of 0.05 cent per gallon is levied on gasoline. Does not include an estimated 7.9 cents per gallon for gasoline and 6.7 cents per gallon for diesel from weighted county average sales taxes that range from 3.25% to 4.75%.


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DrGonzoLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:15 AM
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20. Yeah, look at Nevada, North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia
wait...

Or it could have everything to do with population density and the relative affluence of people buying the gas, etc.

Honestly, there are enough conspiracies out there, we shouldn't be making up our own.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:23 AM
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21. Maybe because the blue states charge higher taxes
which is why their kids read better.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 09:53 AM
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16. Might have something to do with taxes?
And as for Hawaii...how much do you think it costs to ship gasoline over on a boat rather then trucking it in from the refinery?

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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:08 AM
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17. Utah has huge refineries, I've been told that's why its cheaper here n/t
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CabalPowered Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 10:12 AM
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19. They're not huge but there are some refineries in UT
I paide $2.39 at Costco in Idaho about two weeks ago. Not sure what it is now.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 01:28 PM
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24. maybe the just smell huge :)
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