One more "United 93" Trailer Promo ad will make me:

[Tyler Durden]

Poll question: One more "United 93" Trailer Promo ad will make me:

This Poll is for people who think that 9/11 films are on the same "plane" exploitation pornography.

REALLY. If you think this film and its ilk is cool and great and just fine, you really are posting on the wrong thread.

Personally, if I want to watch propaganda, I'll pull out my copy of "Triumph of the Will" and see it done properly by experts. This bastard son of "Snakes on a Plane" should have gone straight to video so I don't have to wince while I'm watching Animal Planet or The History Channel with the kids.

The "I made $25,000 last month by going to this web site!" ads are bad enough with out this.

[Selatius]

1. People who believe in MIHOP will never believe it is true

I don't know what happened to United 93. I don't trust the federal government such that I'd accept what they'd say without question. There were many people who benefited off of the security failures that led to 3,000 innocent people dying.

[Tyler Durden]

3. I would think there are enough dead in Iraq to satisfy the

WORST freepers on earth.

Seems the RAH RAH SISS BOOM BAH DROP A BOMB AND ROCK THE CASBAH idiots can't get enough.

How many do we have to kill?

[bryant69]

7. "accept what they say without question"

That's an interesting phrase. DO you think those of us who are not part of the MIHOP faithful don't believe in it because we simply accept hte official story?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Selatius]

12. Well, I reject the premise of the question

I don't believe it's either-or.

Some people don't bother investigating at all because it's not an issue with them. They have other concerns with their life that occupies them. It's not that they accept the official line, but it's not that they reject it either. They just never really thought about it, but there are those who do think about it.

Of those, there are those who believe certain elements within or near the government did it (MIHOP). There are those who believe certain elements within or near government knew what was about to happen and let it happen because it would've benefited them (LIHOP). Then there are those who believe what was reported: Government bureaucratic bumbling on a system-wide level across several presidential administrations and several departments led to poor or no communication in the crucial time period before the attack and that bureaucratic bumbling was also the result of US air defense's long delay in response to a real-time attack on US soil.

I subscribe to a form of LIHOP. Corporate elements, through special interest money on Capitol Hill, pushed a foreign policy over the last several decades that intentionally undermined many poorer countries and supported brutal governments and dictators in the name of US business interests under the guise of "anti-communism" such that the blowback from such a corrupt policy is terrorist attacks like 9/11, which is another opportunity for elements in the business world to make more money in the form of war profiteering. Now, everything is under the guise of "anti-terrorism."

[bluerum]

2. Soory - don't watch tv. But I would be in the kitchen getting a snack

or a quickie!

[xchrom]

4. i'm jealous on both counts in that case.

[cynatnite]

5. You started this thread and created the poll only for those...

who are willing to support your one-sided narrow viewpoint.

[RaleighNCDUer]

6. Like me.

It is propagandistic bullshit because nobody really knows what happened. It is a FICTION stitched onto a bare framwork of fact.

[cynatnite]

13. You're making an assumption about a movie you've never seen

and I dare you to say that to someone who lost a loved one on that flight AND spoke to them on their cell phone.

[RaleighNCDUer]

15. You find me one.

THE story that was touted, which is the basis for all this, was the guy who was talking to an operator - not a family member - who supposedly said "Let's roll".

It is my understanding that it is virtually impossible to get a cell connection from a plane that is in flight. That's why the planes have phones that are designed for use in-flight.

Just cuz the government says something is so doen't mean it is. In fact, on general principle, I don't believe ANYTHING this government says unless it is verified by 2 European newspapers.

[cynatnite]

22. And the people who all lost loved ones are nothing but liars??

keep on with your two bit, tin hat conspiracy theories. Real people lost real loved ones.

Real people have been interviewed countless times on TV and in print. They are the ones who actually spoke to their loved ones on the phone. Keep calling them liars. You can choose to ignore them all you like. It doesn't discount that people died on that flight. You'd probably call the people who lost loved ones on one of the towers liars, too, to suit your unsubstantiated theories.

[RaleighNCDUer]

25. In four years, I haven't seen any interview with someone who was

talking to a family member on United 93 when it was hijacked. I can't call someone a liar when I have seen nothing from them at all, now can I?

I know people died. I AM NOT FUCKING STUPID.

I have seen no evidence that it happened the way the government says it did.

After all this government has been proved to have lied about, why do you choose to believe this?

[cynatnite]

26. Just a few weeks ago...the sister of a victim spoke out about the movie...

it was covered and discussed on this list. This was on NBC.

I believe it because there is no evidence of anything else. Only theories based on unanswered questions. When questions are left unanswered, conspiracies thrive. I don't go down that road.

[mitchum]

33. Maybe the passengers INTENDED that...before the plane was...

blown out of the sky by US military aircraft.
The movie IS bullshit propaganda.

[Tyler Durden]

9. I thought I made that one clear.

I find this to be a piece of Bullshit Propaganda, and basically, I was curious if anyone else felt that way.

I KNOW there are people who find it patriotic, or entertaining, or whatever.
Like I said, If I want to watch propaganda, I've got a DVD of "Triumph of the Will" to remind me of how "Professionals" did it.

This junk is "Snakes on a Plane" with hijackers instead of reptiles.

[RaleighNCDUer]

10. You DIDN'T just crack on Snakes on a Plane!

I am so looking forward to that one!

[Tyler Durden]

11. Sorry!

Next to this tripe, "Snakes" should get an OSCAR.

[cynatnite]

14. I can't say what it is since I've never seen this movie...

people trashed Michael Moore's movie F 9/11 without seeing it. It's surprising to find that here.

[Tyler Durden]

17. You know you're posting on the wrong thread when.....

...Oh Hell. YOU know you're posting on the wrong thread. Or do you..?

I'm not trying to be hostile to you, but I made things clear from the get-go. This isn't a "convert me" thread. I'm opinionated on this subject.

Frankly, even if I believed in revenge, we've outdone the revenge by a factor of 30 or so, and doing it in Iraq sort of was in the wrong place. Anything prolonging this is evil, and propaganda fostering more "go git 'em" baloney is improper and uncalled for.

The Nazis did and do this. We should grow up and stop.

[cynatnite]

23. Whatever...

We're all opinionated on one thing or another, but I'm not about to spit in the faces of people who lost loved ones on 9/11 by carrying on about some theory with nothing to support it.

Given the fact you have not seen this movie at all tells me you don't have any reason to call it 'propaganda'.

[Ready4Change]

8. It would have been better with Will Smith.

Or Jean Claude Van Damme, or Harrison Ford, or Charles Bronson, or Mel Gibson, or Tom Cruise, or Jet Li, or Samuel L. Jackson, or Chuck Norris, or Arnold Swartzenegger, or Steven Seagal, or Sylvester Stallone, or Bruce Willis or Chow Yun-Fat.

Heck, a plane has a lot of seats. Why not all of them?

And it needs a happy ending. All good movies have happy endings. And a catchy sound track. Maybe some music by U2 or They Might Be Giants, or The Osmonds. You know, something cool.

[Neil Lisst]

16. There's no way in hell that plane crashed. It was shot down.

That's why it spread over such a large area.

[Tyler Durden]

18. That just makes the propaganda worse if so.

The only propaganda that's worse than such based on fiction is that which is based on a lie.

Both are equally repulsive in my book.

[Marie26]

20. Wouldn't a shoot down also cause it to crash?

Wouldn't a plane break apart as it crashed no matter what caused the spiral? How can you tell what caused a crash from the size of the debris area of the crash site?

[Neil Lisst]

28. think about the physics of a crash versus a mid air explosion

If an explosion occurs at 10,000 feet, for example, the area of the crash would be much larger than an impact destruction, which would create a crater and localized spread of debris, with a clear focal point for the main crash.

I would invite you to read about the crash debris from online sources. I don't really want to be an advocate, I simply think that the nature of the crash debris suggests a mid air explosion instead of an impact.

I do not blame anyone for shooting it down. It had to be done.

[mattclearing]

19. The only plane movie I'm seeing this year involves snakes. n/t

[Marie26]

21. Flamebait post,

by me. None of us have seen this movie yet, so I'll reserve judgement on whether it's propaganda, or an honest effort. I saw a brief interview w/the director, and he did seem to be earnestly trying to do a realistic portrayal of what happened that day.

[cynatnite]

24. Everything I've seen so far including interviews with the families...

indicate this is an honest movie...

The director seemed that way, too.

I may be wrong, but the last thing this movie does is invoke Iraq in the name of 9/11. That would be an insult to the family members and those who died.

I am going to see this movie when it comes here.

[Marie26]

27. Agree w/you

I might see it too, though I'm sure it'll be heart-wrenching. The 9/11 families are supporting this movie, and that makes a big difference to me. There's no indication (to me) right now that the director is doing this as some sort of propaganda.

[Tyler Durden]

30. No.....

I'm just tired of seeing the goddamned commercials for this every 10 seconds.

I've seen it more often then the one for "POSIDEN." Sheesh, LET IT THE FUCK GO.

[Marie26]

31. True

But then that's true of most big movies. I've seen the preview for "Big Momma's House 2" more times than I care to count.

[Beacho]

29. I call BS on this story

I have a question, many have made reference to the cell phone calls and black box recordings 'proving' this act of heroism. I have yet to hear ANY recording that says one way or another. If there were definitive proof I believe that I would be hearing it 24/7, especially with the announcement of the release of this film. Nope, nothing, nada.

[mitchum]

32. Other:...be shot out of the sky by US military aircraft

And you are correct; at least, "Triumph of the Will" is well done propaganda.

[KyuzoGator]

34. The evidence that 93 landed in Cleveland is as compelling as "let's roll"

Watch Loose Change.