It is all happening so fast.

[boston bean]

Can we trace back the turning point.

I think it was Katrina. He never recovered after that.

For six years we have been screaming what many are just now starting to realize. But for some reason I'm still pissed at these people. I mean how god damned uninformed can people be?

Is it really just the energy prices?

[marmar]

1. "how god damned uninformed can people be?"

Shockingly so, judging by the number of people who still believe Saddam Hussein played a role in 9/11.

[saltpoint]

5. I wonder if it's the same mechanism in the brain that allows people

to believe that some women in the Dark Ages were witches, or that certain writers and actors were "Communists" in Hollywood during the McCarthy era.

If some authoritarian jerk bellows that Hussein was involved in 9/11 attacks, or that Harry Potter is of the Occult, or whatever it is, that part of some people's brain just goes into Stepford overdrive.

But whatever it is, it's frightening.

[marmar]

11. It is frightening...

There really is a "Matrix" that many people fear breaking free of.

[RagAss]

29. I believe it's called stupidity.....n/m

[CrazyOrangeCat]

2. I wonder if we'll ever know.

History books (assuming there is going to BE a history) will be written about this mess for generations.

I think that you're right about Katrina, in that a lot of normally apolitical people got really upset. As for the hard-core Repukes that are now starting to turn . . . beats the hell out of me how their tiny minds work . . .

[rzemanfl]

4. Their minds only work when their wallet is empty given its

proximity to where their brains are.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

12. I guess that's it.

Sure glad that there are some of us who were taught to think for ourselves.

[Booster]

15. Yep. I think Katrina just embarrassed the hell out of all of us, and

when you become that ashamed of a sitting president, there ain't no going back. No one in this country should have to suffer the indignities that the people who were hit by Katrina did. No one.

[Doctor_J]

21. On history books

I have a number of Russian friends. They tell me that the previous generation of history text books contained only the good parts of Stalin's reign, esp. beating back hitler at Stalingrad. The current generation ignore that part, and focus only on the gulags and the purges.

Eventually the truth comes out, and despite all of Horowitz's and Bozell's efforts, Smirk will be treated mercilessly eventually.

[rzemanfl]

3. Unfortunately this is what will be said, that all the other crap, the

War, the lies about the War, Plame, tax cuts for the rich, Shiavo, wiretapping, torture, Katrina, raping the environment, etc., etc. didn't sink Bushco's ship, it was American's thirst for cheap gas and its love affair with its autos....

[electropop]

6. It is just the price of gas. See graph:

[acmejack]

14. That makes one want to weep!

Really takes the sheen off, doesn't it?

[boston bean]

22. stunned me too. nt

[KittyWampus]

7. Richard Clarke. That man has my total utmost respect.

[SoCalDem]

8. I think that was the moment the media stopped covering for him

They had a REAL story, and pictures do not lie. They weighed it and decided that there was no way they could cover for him on this one, and once wounded, they just kept on..

I liken it to the sick fish in a tank.. You can have a fish tank with perfectly agreeable fish, but as soon as one is sick, the others soon start picking at it until it's dead, or you scoop it out and euthanize it yourself.

Bush is swimming in circles and a little bit on the floaty side:)

[Uben]

9. You gotta remember

There are a vast number of Americans who don't use a computer. Their primary source of news is network news and radio. When they started reporting the truth, the tide started changing. I think Katrina got the snowball rollin, but then it hit the steep slope known as domestic spying.
Throw in high fuel prices hitting them in the pocketbook, and you have a snowball from hell picking up steam faster than Dick Cheney can pull a trigger!

[maxsolomon]

10. it really hasn't crept THAT much lower in the last 4 months

its cumulative. there's no way to pinpoint what event made the boneheads who voted for him out of Fear of Kerry change their minds.

he's been below 35% for a while now.

i want him at 10%.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

18. 10 is a nice number . . . n/t

[BooScout]

13. Fast?

For 6 fucking years we have been pointing to the obvious lies, manipulations and incompetence....he's still there and will probably finish out his term. It's a long nightmare to me. I'm beyond pissed at the idiots that have let this happen. Especially the ones that voted for him twice.

[boston bean]

16. I gotcha covered. I think we're saying the same thing. I am still

po'd at the people who voted for him twice.

[mrcheerful]

17. Hate to say it but yes its the gas prices that really woke up the sleepers

when something hits their pockets hard thats when they wake up and look around. Thats why puke wedge issues and lies work so well with them, they don't look past the sound bites. These same peoples fathers and grandfathers voted for Hoover in large numbers and believed every lie he told them about trickle down economics, they didn't get upset until after 1929. Their kids and grand kids pretty much have done the same with shrub. Now even Hummer drivers are having to park them and take the wifes mini van or the good old 4 banger that they bought for Jr before he left for college. When that happened they woke up looked around and said hey where did that Ford or GMC plant go? Gee why are the only streets drivable are the ones in my neighborhood, even though they drove down both during low gas prices. A year ago all I seen were limos and the Big SUV's running around with american flags a waving, lately I see them sitting in the drive ways under canvas.

[RagingInMiami]

19. I think it was Cindy Sheehan who got the ball rolling

The ball turned into a giant snowball after Katrina.

[madokie]

23. I believe history will show that you are right.

[Libby2]

20. Hell yeah with the repukes it is the energy prices.

They don't care unless it affects them.

[liberal N proud]

24. Crashes usually happen very quickly

otherwise the driver of the bus could steer clear.
This thing is more like the Titanic, Ice berg, right ahead.

[boston bean]

25. do you think he will finish his term? nt

[Oversea Visitor]

26. Not it has not been fast

I being long enough on DU too see the emotion the pain and the pick oneself up again to continue the fight. It has been a long hard emotionally wrecking road.

I :patriot: the DUer here who stood their ground fighting when no one seem to be listening.
Day in day out sticking to their favourite subject refusing to be dishearten. Staring at mass media, looking for news articles anything that highlight their concern and finding TOTAL silence.
It is amount feeling so alone, feeling noone care but yet fighting fighting so that one day it will be heard and not forgotten.

It is about the rants, that all of us throw not and then to let go steam. ( Wonder how many hate me for rubbing face in dirt in my many rants :hide: )

Many say why 32% still cant get it
Well mindset graph is like a bell shape
The middle has turn
The is 2 extreme end of the graph

One end is the super acheiver mindset. The successful one, very confident, rich with total beleive that their decision is right. This is part of bush base. They will never admit that they are wrong.
They just cant because then it would shatter their self image. It is very hard to change this people mind.

The other extreme the none acheiver. They need to feel important, they dont have much in life to show for themself. Supporting bush give them something to stand on, I support the President, that is very important to them, it is like that decision allow me to Lord over you and make me a bigger man then you. Against it is hard to change this people, in most cases it is the only thing they can be proud of or feel they belong. Sad but cold hard truth

So when we look at the graph we have to look at the 2 extreme and ask how many of them is beyond convincing. It is impossible to convince all. Ask any marketing guy they tell you so :)

32% still beleive in bush hehe 16% both way, maybe can push to 10% both way asking for more hell that SUPER DUBER DAMN HARD WORK.

This graph is a mindset graph, in away a psychographic profile not demographic.
One has to look at bush protested coming out to protest against anti bush protester.
See they either super rich or MORAN outlook, no middle very rare.

Rove trade is one of mass communication, but he seriously suck. Yeah he know his trade but got no ethic, END OF DAY..... YOU CANT SELL GARBAGE TO THE CONSUMER.
Yeah you rack in the profit in short run, but you dont have a future.
And they did nothing NOTHING but use the same old crabby tactic to the bitter end.

[rzemanfl]

30. Very insightful post. n/t

[leftofthedial]

27. his deepest poll plunges have coincided with gas price hikes

they'll lower prices a few cents and he'll recover 4 or 5 points at least.

[PassingFair]

28. Schiavo was the thin edge of the wedge.

They were meddling where they didn't belong,
and only a handful of loonies bought it.

Katrina exposed the media cover-up.
The talking heads were doing their
usual white-wash, while images on the
split screen were belying their lying lies.