I don't care about the Duke rape case.

[Botany]

Go away. Non news news story. 100% bullshit. The missing white girl story but
she is now black and not missing. Let the justice system work. Stop it already!

Sex & money .... hype hype hype

Please what about the guy on 60 minutes that told the White House there was no WMDs?
What about the fact that in late April of 06 we still can not see the data from Alaska in Nov of 04?
What about plans to nuke Iran?

It is news - OH - tane -ment.

Stop it already!


:rant:

[DS1]

1. It doesn't need National news

Sure, it sucks all around, but the amount of coverage is NOT justified.

When was the last time the MSM covered Dafur?

[Botany]

5. I had a friend shot and died in a sexual assualt 16 years ago.

a few days on the local TV .... a few stories in the paper .... now nothing ....
if Rita Cosby wants to crack cases .... I have one for her.

The amount of coverage the Duke thing is getting is a joke.

[DS1]

7. Duke, McKinney, it'll only be a matter of days before someone walks

into a door that Hillary is opening and suddenly she'll be the next angry tyrant bent on power and fuck all the lowlifes below her.

Shit, I think I just gave them an idea. Watch a former DeLay staffer get his nose broken by an opening door..

[SoCalDem]

13. And I had a friend killed at a 7-11 on his FIRST day on the job

He was 20..there were no cameras back then.. total take in the robbery? $28.00..Never caught the killer.. He was a microbiology major

[KyuzoGator]

2. Like Randi Rhodes said on CNN, it's bad but miniscule in perspective.

Thousands of people are dying and our economy is digesting itself while oil profits are higher than ever. That's a little more pressing than a stripper getting raped.

It's a sad situation, but definitly not BREAKING NEWS material.

[crappyjazz]

3. 1 in 4 women have probably been raped

said Randi, sad, but certainly not news

[bigwillq]

16. Hello.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[msatty99]

17. One out of four??? Are you nuts??

I just don't think so.
Your def of 'rape' must be pretty broad.

[lukasahero]

27. You might want to look at the stats

Around the world at least 1 women in 3 has been beaten, coerced into sex or otherwise abused in her lifetime. Most often the abuser is a member of her own family. (John Hopkins School of Public Health 2000)

Only 2% of rapists are convicted and imprisoned. (US Senate Judiciary Committee 1993)

In a study of 6,000 students at 32 colleges in the US, 1 in 4 women had been the victims of rape or attempted rape. (Warshaw 1994)

Sexual assault is reported by 33-46% of women who are being physically assaulted by their husbands. (AMA 1995)

http://www2.ucsc.edu/rape-prevention/statistics.html

1 out of every 3 American women will be sexually assulted in her lifetime.

The United States has the world's highest rape rate of the countries that publish such statistics. It's 4 times higher than Germany, 13 times higher than England, and 20 times higher than Japan.

1 in 7 women will be raped by her husband.

1 in 4 college women have either been raped or suffered attempted rape.

Only 16% of rapes are ever reported to the police.

http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~ad361896/anne/cease/rapestatisticspage.html

[marions ghost]

29. I remember once in college

there was a workshop about rape awareness (the audience was women and a few men in their late teens and twenties). The woman police officer opened her segment of the discussion by asking "How many of you have ever been the victim of sexual assault of some kind?"

Some hands went up slowly, but more and more as they saw they were not alone, until just about every single woman's hand in that large gathering was raised. And then everyone stared at each other in shock. I will never forget that moment. Houston, we have a problem.

Your statistics ring true to me. Thanks for posting them.

[ShortnFiery]

11. I agree ... not breaking news - Indeed! eom

[bobalu]

22. "That's a little more pressing than a stripper getting raped."...

...Would it be more pressing if she were NOT a stripper?...You're making a point of her job certainly makes it sound so..sounds like what the cab driver attributed to one of the suspects: "She's JUST a stripper"!...right.:eyes:

[Orangepeel]

24. that she was a stripper is making it news

or, maybe, it's just that it happens to be Duke that is making it news. What is interesting, from a national discussion board perspective, is why this case in particular is news.

How many women were raped at college parties in the past, say, year? The answer, of course, is "too many," but none of them are on national TV.

Why does this case push so many people's buttons?

[bobalu]

26. ..I think it less the fact that she is a stripper, than the class- race

divide.

[Orangepeel]

28. I'm sure that's part of it. Being a stripper is part of the class thing

I don't have the stats, but, I'm sure that several women were raped -- even gang raped -- at college parties last year. Most of them were probably students at the same schools as the rapists. It's horrible, but it isn't extremely rare.

I think that part of the sense of entitlement that that people who believe the men to be guilty ascribe to them, comes from the fact that they hired her to strip (thus, the potential for them to think that they "paid for her").

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. K & R

[guinivere]

6. Uh oh. I kind of agree, but

still, uh oh.


:popcorn:

[godhatesrepublicans]

8. It's the "Child stuck in a well" syndrome.

Reporters and editors are by nature lazy. They will cover whatever story takes the least amount of work. A celebrity murder or sports rape case is just EASIER to work on than a complex white collar crime story or a political scandal.

Also don't forget the conspiracy factor; covering the Duke rape case upsets the status quo a lot less than covering the Abramoff story.

[BrklynLiberal]

9. Dis-tract-o-tain-ment

and it helps to keep the "strict father" Meme in the headlines.


Why Natalee Holloway Is Lucky She Is Not Around to Make Accusations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=205781&mesg_id=205781

[iamahaingttta]

10. No, no, no... you miss the point!

"The missing white girl story but she is now black and not missing..."

This story isn't about the girl! It's about the guys! It's about how they are being mistreated! In this story, it's the White Males who are the victims!

[BrklynLiberal]

12. Right. Because this girl had the nerve to fight back and accuse..

Natalee Holloway is probalby dead, so she cannot accuse anyone and then be accused of being a slut. So, in that case, she can remain the victim.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

14. K & R

just what I was thinking.

[marions ghost]

15. is this story all over CNN and the other networks?

I only watch Olbermann, so I don't know what the level of national coverage is at this pointon the case. I know Rita Cosby has followed it on a day-to-day basis but that's what tabloid journalism does. Now that there have been indictments and Newsweek has done its official wrap-up, is the mainstream nat'l media really bothering to keep up? (A couple of posts on DU does not count).

Anybody have a report from their neck of the woods?

[sendero]

18. I'll be interested..

.. in the verdict. I will assume the jury has done it's job, though I'm well aware that with enough money anyone can buy a "reasonable doubt".

What I'm not interested in is speculation. That's all anyone can really have right now.

[ladjf]

19. And I don't give a damn about Prince Harry or his grandmother.

[LuckyLib]

20. The sheer level of crap on both local news (in any city) and

national news on television is simply astounding. We've turned it off. All of it. Info-tainment, one step up from Maury and Jerry. MSM should be skulking off in a corner with their tails between their legs. That things have gotten this far with so few voices speaking out and screaming "Lies!" pretty much gives us an idea of which side of the corporate bread sits the butter. It's those damned 32% that are still watching this junk.

[bobalu]

30. ..I'm not sure that the Duke and Natalie Holloway stories are "lies"

...They're just terribly overreported, but then again so is the Barry Bonds thing...

[Autonomy]

21. Wait a minute!

What's this about a missing white girl? I gotta see this! I bet FOX is carrying the story...

[WHAT]

23. What bothers me...

is how one can react emotionally without knowing any facts.

I keep thinking of Elizabeth Smart and the suspicious person who was arrested and jailed and later died in jail suspiciously prior to the "recovery" of Elizabeth and the subsequent apprehension of the real abductor and the real story.

It seems like an innocent man died unnecessarily due to triggered emotional response. This is what has caught my attention on this story...a presumption of innocence or guilt and the emotions and reactions precipitated by such.

I don't know how I would prioritize the importance of this "story". In my mind, it is important in how it relates to the presumption of innocence or guilt and an intense doubt as to justice and an assumption that it can never be 100%.

Sometimes, I wonder if Elizabeth Smart might somehow think about this first suspect and his tragic death.

I guess, as a story, it is not that important in the broad scheme of things except in it's importance, to me, ...questioning if the truth can ever be known except subjectively, personally.

[undergroundpanther]

25. I don't care about a rapists life.

Double standards piss me off

When people read about this they got mad and rightfully so...It pissed me off BIG TIME.

PHOENIX (AP) - Two young men charged with sodomizing 18 boys at a youth camp last year have been offered a plea agreement that may net them little jail time and no record of sexual assault.
...
The younger Bennett confessed to police that he and Wheeler sodomized the 11- to 14-year-old boys with broomsticks and flashlights in at least 40 incidents, court documents show.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
But another thread pissed me off too, because of a double standard...

"They made such a big stink about the Duke case why not this one?"
Yes the media needs to make a stink about this Bennett case AND the Duke case BOTH cases need to be heard.
For some people on DU there is a sexist assumption, if a woman gets gang raped by some rich assholes oh another"slut" got raped,it's not news it doesn't matter.
But it DOES matter.
Her life could be ruined and she could be carrying trauma of what happened to her for the rest of her days.

Sadly to some Du'ers she is not important because she's a object,She's an evil woman framing the little rich Jock frat boys who thought being a 'dancer' entitled them to force rape her for jollies. This attitude and double standard infuriates me .
Was she ASKING to be raped? NO !!
Even if she was walking around buck naked that is NOT an invitation for forced sex,people.WAKE UP!!

Likewise were those boys in that camp that Bennett's asshole son was a camp counselor ,were those boys asking to be raped by "breaking the rules"? NO !!! No NO!

_Both_ CASES MATTER!!!The Duke case and this case of pedophilia are equally vile acts.Rape causes trauma to the victim no matter who they are. It harms a woman's mind and life just as bad as it hurts kids mind and life.This is because rape is an abuse of power a violent,violation of a persons own sanctity of their body,by force because the rapist wanted to dominate them.Rape is evil.

No one ,no human being deserves rape. NO ONE DESERVES or ASKS to be traumatized by some asshole on a power trip.

Death is preferable to living with trauma. Some people can recover from trauma they are the strong and fortunate.Not everyone is as strong and fortunate. For the others death would have been more kind than suffering the scars in their body and mind.That is how I feel about my life. I often wish I was not born.I faced pedophilia incest and rape in my life.
It has left scars that hurt,that ruined my life.And so I have no tolerance or excuses for rapists or pedophiles.

_ALL RAPE is WRONG_ and it is the_RAPISTS FAULT_ and it is the RAPIST himself who is to BLAME every time a rape happens. There is no excuse for rape,no rationales,no reasons,no blaming of victims for what a perpetrator does.. It makes no difference WHO gets raped.. the RAPIST is 100%at FAULT if said rapist raped.. It does not matter if the victim is ,a boy, a girl,an adult, a "prostitute",a teen, a spouse,comatose,an iraqi prisoner or a sheep it does not matter!!! Because ALL RAPE IS WRONG period. What kind of double standard SEXIST bullshit is this I see on DU??

Below is taken from a thread entitled
"I don't care about the duke rape case..."

"Go away. Non news news story. 100% bullshit. The missing white girl story but
she is now black and not missing. Let the justice system work. Stop it already!

Sex & money .... hype hype hype "

Regardless of who is victimized male, female or child, the fact they were raped is the REAL problem,that trauma ruins their life forever.It's not about sex,money religion..It's rape and rape is an evil abuse of power..
Rapists are ALWAYS in the position of power in an assault.. The rapist is who chooses to dominate and victimize,all on their own volition.. It is the rapist who use their own bodies as weapons and it is always wrong . In reality every rape is always 100% the FAULT of the rapist them self. The rapist could choose at any moment during an assault to NOT rape someone else,regardless of the excuses society makes about rape or whether said rapist gets away with it or not.

What could society do to make the rapist pause and think rape is not worth it?(This saying SHIT like she deserved it,she wanted it, goldigger, this or that..smug juries and ignorant sexist media looking at what she was wearing,is NOT deterring rapists from rape. It is excusing them. Likewise giving a senators son rapist piece of shit light sentences,and sweet plea deals that too is excusing the rapist and that is NOT a deterrent)

RAPE IS ALWAYS WRONG.No matter whom is raped or how old or young or how they looked what they wore or what "rules they break". Rape is ALWAYS the rapists FAULT and the rapist is to BLAME.

If I had my way, I would make the rape penalty severe.I would make the convicted rapist wear a permanent mark . Maybe a notched ear like the cherokee did to rapists so that EVERYONE who sees their ear KNOWS they raped somebody and the rapist will not be trusted as if he was not a sick asshole by the unaware..I'd give them social death sentence like that because they destroyed someone else's life just because they wanted a power trip..

If they rape again I'd CUT the offending body parts OFF.If they assault again, I'd just KILL them.Rapists are scumbags by choice, they became less than human the day they CHOSE to rape.
I would make the act of rape so costly to the perpetrator's well being and future life that the idea of doing it would amount to suicide.Than maybe rape of little kids,teens,,women and men, prostitutes and spouses would finally Stop. I don't waste my compassion on rapists and pedophiles.In fact I wish they'd all just kill themselves,or some strange virus would start killing rapists pedophiles and sociopaths and wipe all of them off this Earth.

Imagine a world without "predatory" assholes..No more rape pedophilia and sadistic domination that these perpetrators choose to do that ruin so many victims lives.

I hope the boys who were raped by Bennett's pervert son get justice,and the senators son is sentenced to jail for the rest of his miserable life or is given death for his crime against them. I hope the woman ,if it is proven she was raped by the Duke frat boys gets justice too.(considering some of those assholes are out on bail,she might have a case) I hope those gang banger assholes are given jail for the rest of their days or the death penalty. Anything less than that for all these rapist assholes is a tragedy. Too bad our culture excuses rape under "certain circumstances" and minimizes and hides what was done to save the monsters face.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1016778&mesg_id=1016778

[marions ghost]

32. right

where is the outrage about the victimizers of these young boys getting off with no punishment and no record of offense? We may have more newsworthy issues and people may be tired of the coverage of the Duke rape case. But predatory social behavior ties into the bigger picture of corruption, exploitation, condoning torture, etc. Both of these cases involve defendants of privilege who may be able to wrangle their way out of serious sexual assault charges, even if they are guilty. The same mentality that makes light of rape will make light of other abuses. That's one reason not to ally with that kind of thinking, and allow this into the public spotlight, wherever it goes. It is clear that our judicial system may NOT have things well in hand.

The other reason is that we care about the pain and suffering of victims. don't we? Does one have to experience a brutal rape themselves to finally get it?

[Inland]

31. I'm simply confident it's being handled properly.

The DA is clearly not sweeping anything under the rug. The evidence will be fairly evaluated and a verdict provided under our laws, I'm for that, and ....that's it.

[Beacho]

33. I'm tired of the nationalization of local news

It's a matter for the local community and the local LEOs to deal with, and has no bearing on my life.