Did Zacarias Moussaui kill anybody?

[Postman]

If the jury gives him the death penalty, how is it that you can get the death penalty for a crime that was never committed?

The fact that he was in on the plot of 9/11 is irrelevant. He was in custody a month before the event, and so was not part of the actual crime.

The government has argued that he could have helped them prevent 9/11 from occurring by speaking up. What a crock.

Prior to 9/11 FBI headquarters had all kinds of warnings from their field agents referring to "arabs wanting to fly planes but not learn how to land" that were ignored (also take into account the Aug. 6 PDB) yet to the FBI because this guy didn't give them chapter and verse 9/11 was doomed to happen.

I'm not trying to defend this crazy zealot, but it would be nice to see the Constitution restored and those allegedly responsible for our safety held accountable.

[mortlefaucheur]

1. NO n/t

[newyawker99]

28. Hi mortlefucheur!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[ShortnFiery]

2. No, he thought about it!

And as far as I know, save for his schizophrenic ranting, there's no evidence of true conspiracy. Remember Richard Reid said "Whaaa" to Moussaui's testimony involving him.

No Moussaui will be executed for being a mentally ill, a schizophrenic, who dare think about carrying out such atrocities.

How apropos in our blessed return to "1984" that he will be killed for being A THOUGHT CRIMINAL. :nuke:

[KyndCulture]

3. No, it's death for intention I guess.

There's way more murderers out there that aren't facing trial.

[babylonsister]

4. No, he's a distraction to direct everyone's attention away from

the complicity of our federal government, through willful ignorance or something much more sinister.

[Warren Stupidity]

5. Nope.

It isn't even clear that he committed any overt crimes. At worst he was an al qaeda hanger on who they didn't even trust much. He took flying lessons, for which he is going to be executed.

[iamahaingttta]

6. He didn't.

They are dangerously close to giving a crazy person the death penalty for thought crimes.

If that nutso bastard gets executed, that's it, it's game over! It will then officially be a war between Islam and the West, and only one side will survive. Unfortunately, the Islamic world seems to be more motivated, more unified and more insane.

I fear for us all!!!

[xchrom]

7. the crazy part is -- not even the government believes

that he was very much involved in anything. he was too looney.

we'll kill him because we have to kill somebody in the name of 9-11

[KyndCulture]

8. Yep. That's exactly what I think.

"Killing in the name of"

Rage Against the Machine said it.

[sendero]

9. Few things speak to the level ..

... at which our government has stooped than this case. This guy is a NUTBAG. He may be dangerous, but he is not some mastermind, he is barely functional and has sabatoged his own defense over and over and over because HE IS A NUTBAG.

And we're spending barrels of cash to try to get the death penalty? Who the FUCK CARES? The man is a retard.

[izzie]

10. I have made up mind to read about this when it is all over

It is all odd to me what is going on.

[no_hypocrisy]

11. No, he didn't commit murder or manslaughter himself.

He may have been guilty of conspiracy, aiding and abeting in planning the crime, maybe facilitation (aiding a person who intends to commit a crime and the facilitator engages in conduct that assists that person in obtaining the means or opporrrtunity to commit the crime and in fact his conduct does aid theperson to so commit it.) Further he was cheerleading 9-11 from a jail cell.

No way does capital punishment address the contribution of Moussaui.

[0007]

12. 'Tis hard for me to grasp this has gone as far as it has!

The whole trial was a show as was the testimony from the 911 victims.

[notadmblnd]

13. There was a murder around here years ago

IIRC, a woman was abducted wile using a drive thru car wash. It ended up being the attendant. Anyway the guy locked the woman in the trunk of her car for a week and drove around town in it with his girlfriend sitting next to him, all the while the woman screaming and making noise in the trunk. The woman later died as a result of drinking windshield washing fluid. Anyway, When caught it was ruled that the GF could not be charged as there was no law requiring her to report the crime.

This happened in Oakland County Michigan late 80's early 90's

[LisaL]

14. No, he didn't.

He is also a nut case.
But that apparently is neither here, nor there.

[Frank Cannon]

15. No, and his trial is a dog and pony show...

concocted to make the masses feel bad about 9/11 all over again, make us somehow feel better about the Chimp in Chief's war on terra, and to take our minds off of the shit mess that this country finds itself in. We're also supposed to believe that someone SOMEWHERE is doing SOMETHING about catching and punishing 9/11 plotters...while Osama bin-Laden flits around free as a bird.

Zecarias Moussaoui is crazier than a soup sandwich and is no doubt dangerous. He belongs in a padded cell for the rest of his life.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

16. I don't think the government even proved that he was connected....

...to the attacks of 911.

His trial has been nothing but an old Soviet-style "show trial" designed to make it look like we're punishing somebody....anybody...for the events of 911.

Anything to distract the American people from the wide range of real questions that have yet to be answered about 911 and the reaction...or lack of reaction...by the NeoCon Junta.

[DS1]

17. If they'd caught him at the boarding gate packing box-cutters

would you feel any different?

It's not about whether he managed to personally kill anyone or not, that's a ridiculous argument.

What if I shoot at someone, and miss, should I walk?

[Zynx]

18. No, but you shouldn't get the death penalty.

[Bridget Burke]

20. If I caught you shooting at someone, I'd be glad to see you in jail.

I don't believe in capital punishment, but most "believers" would probably agree that you only deserved some prison time.

There is NO real evidence that he was involved in the plotting. If the FBI agent's concern had gone all the way to the top, 9/11 might have been avoided. Of course, Bush & Co "ignored" several warnings--so Bush could become a "popular wartime president" with a right to invade whomever he wished.

His execution will be regarded as "closure" for 9/11--a ceremonial killing to end all further questions.

[Postman]

29. I'm not saying he should "go free"

he DID NOT KILL ANYONE.

Should he be held accountable for being part of the 9/11 attack? Yes.

Now, the squatter in the WH hasn't directly killed anyone either but he certainly has lied about going to war with many innocent people killed and maimed, should he be given the same treatment?

[BoneDaddy]

19. Moussaui

is most likely totally insane. He identified with Al-queda but was a nothing to them and is most likely lying to make himself sound more important. For the prosecution he is a scapegoat that we can crucify on the alter of distraction and feed some of the blood lust coming from the right. Funny thing is that from what I have seen from some of the families of 911 victims, they see through this and are asking for clemency.

[johnnie]

21. Nope

He's a witch! We are back in Salem.

[brook]

22. My first thought on hearing

a reporter say Moussaui could be "put to death for not stopping 9/11" was: " * didn't stop it either.

[bunkerbuster1]

23. I've tried to buy this as a "depraved indifference" argument

As in, if you stood on the dock and watched someone drown that you didn't care for even though there was a life preserver conveniently at hand that could've been thrown.

I'm no lawyer, but if that were caught on videotape the perp would be charged with manslaughter or possibly second-degree murder.

But would that guy get the death penalty? hmm. Doubtful, right?

FWIW, I think this sentencing phase of the trial is a fuckin' kangaroo court, the sort of thing that'll make sensible people wince when they read about it in history references twenty years from now.

[Jazz2006]

24. No, he didn't personally kill anyone.

But the charges to which he pleaded guilty relate to conspiracy to commit murder, etc., not merely "not speaking up".

They're using the "not speaking up" part to try to get the death penalty - which, in my view, is ridiculous.

If he really was a conspirator, then fine, let him rot in jail. But if the law allows someone to be put to death for simply "not speaking up", then the law is an ass.

[realFedUp]

25. When they came for the crazy zealots, we didn't speak.....

No, he shouldn't be put to death for a crime he
wasn't a participant in. The government's side has
used all the 9/11 footage to emotionally move
the jury. I hope it backfires.

[truth2power]

26. I'm glad you had the courage to say this, Postman...

Been sticking in my craw for a long time. How in hell can he get the death penalty for a crime he didn't actually commit? And I, too, have been thinking about ALL the FBI people and others who were running around before 911, "with their hair on fire" if I might borrow a phrase, trying to get someone's attention about plans for an attack.

Bush ignored the Aug. 6, PDB. Under this criterion, why isn't he eligible for a prison term, at the very least???

No, the Moussaui trial is smoke and mirrors. But worse, it's a slippery slope, when someone is executed (as he probably will be) for what they knew and didn't tell.

And I say again, wouldn't knowing and not saying also apply to Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Condi? Hmmm??

[wtmusic]

27. Since when is conspiracy punishable by death?

:shrug:

[RagAss]

30. Charles Manson didn't kill anybody either....

[Postman]

31. Last time I looked, Manson is still alive.

And comes up for parole now and then.

[Beaverhausen]

32. Is that true? He was at the second murder scene

Did he not participate?

[Disturbed]

33. Charles Manson

Charles Manson sent his Cult out to kill people. That's a big difference!

This guy didn't plan the 911 Attacks. He may not even have been part of the plan. He claims that he was but no proof of that was ever presented. He wants to be executed. He is mentally ill. He is deranged, not because he disires to be executed but because he believes that he will be freed from prison by GW Bush. Executing him would be ludricous.