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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:04 PM
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Leaks In Perception
Edited on Tue Apr-25-06 01:29 PM by H2O Man

Leaks In Perception (Unpopular Essay #24)


If April showers bring May flowers, the amount of controversy over government "leaks" that has been in the news this month may bring a number of controversies to full bloom in the next few weeks. These cases, which are closely related, include Condi Rice getting a subpoena in the neocon/AIPAC spy scandal; Mary McCarthy being fired by the CIA; Team Libby's attempts to force the media to become a side-show in Scooter's upcoming convictions; and Team Libby's admitting to Judge Walton that they have bent, if not broken, his orders to not attempt to try Scooter's case in the media.

The relationship between the government and the media is not, of course, new. The fact that there is a potential for there to be tension between the government and a free press was recognized by the Founding Fathers in Amendment 1 of the U.S. Constitution. At that time, the "free press" was just that: newspapers and other forms of the written word. It is worth noting that this implies a support of active information gathering, as both reading and writing challenge one to be an active participant in the competition of ideas.

That process began to change with the introduction of the radio. In "The Communications Gap" (the first chapter of "We Talk, You Listen"), Vine Deloria Jr. notes that while few Americans recognized it at the time, a process began in which the competition of ideas was reduced. Rather than having "equally valid interpretations of problems by sociologists, economists, historians, political scientists, and religious leaders, the solutions to problems has been a simple compromise" made between a limited group that exercises "naked power .... to define policies." (page 18)

Both Deloria and Jerry Mander, in his 1991 "In the Absence of the Sacred," quote Marshall McLuhan's famous "the medium is the message" to illustrate how the modern technology changed the way Americans receive and interpret the "news." Mander takes us from radio to television. He notes that, at that time, 75% of commercial network television was paid for by the 100 largest American corporations. Considering that there were more than 450,000 American corporations at that time, he concluded that this further restricted the competition of ideas. More, television works in a way that makes those viewing it into more passive consumers of what is being spoon-fed to them by those 100 corporations, than the active information gatherers the Founding Fathers recognized as essential for democracy.

Thus, a growing number of Americans became more inclined to get their "news" from tv, and to less inclined to read. Mander quoted reports indicating that 95% of American families watched some TV every day; that the average home had the tv on for 8 hours per day; that the average child between the ages of two and five watched between 3 and 4 hours a day; the average adult watched 5 hours; and the average adult over the age of fifty-five watched 6 hours of tv a day.

(Home computers have changed this. However, it is worth noting that a significant part of the appeal of the computer screen comes in the way of graphics and bold colors that -- like tv -- promotes a more passive, and less active form of information gathering. Even on political forums, there is frequently an emphasis on "entertainment" rather than substance.)

One result of the changes in the way people receive and process the news has been a decline in people's active participation in the political process. The percentage of Americans who vote is an obvious example. For years, many groups in America had to struggle to gain the right to vote. Today, it is not just that people take this right for granted -- they have too often become a passive observer of politics, and frequently do not even see the connection between what the politicians do in Washington, DC, and in their own life. People say, "I'm not into politics," as if it is a television show. They willingly give up their right to have a say, because they have tolerated, accepted, and finally adapted to the definitions of those 100 corporations.

The war in Iraq, which was widely supported by the American public, had been promoted in the media by the White House Iraq Group using the same tactics that advertisers use to sell other products. However, there has been a dose of "reality tv" in a literal sense in regard to this war: even though the corporate media has attempted to hide the coffins of dead American soldiers, the cost of this war has begun to rise to the surface of the public's consciousness. Those quick snippets of the voices of reason, expressed by the progressive democrats, has acted like a subliminal message.

The conflict on the political stage involves the tool that is known as "leaking." It can be done in many ways. When Condi Rice is accused by attorneys for the AIPAC spies of having leaked classified information to Rosen an Weissman, that is one type. Their attorneys have asked Judge Ellis to drop the charges against them, because they say that "type of backchannel exchanges between government officials, lobbyists, and the press are part and parcel of how Washington works." ( "Lawyer: Rice Leaked Defense Information"; Newsday; 4-21-06) Some are pretending that this is a case involving the 1st Ammendment, and freedom of the press. Yet we know that it is actually a case involving government officials leaking classified information to two people who were working as part of a private intelligence group, who then leaked the same information to a foreign government. No reporters have been charged. It is a case of espionage, not freedom of the press.

In the related cases, there is a conflict between those in the Bush administration who were lying to the public about the reasons they were bringing us to war in Iraq, and those who attempted to be honest. Libby leaked misinformation to Miller, who co-wrote a work of fiction for the New York Times. They timed it for a Sunday when four administration officials went on the morning news shows, and who then said, "Well, it was reported in the New York Times that ...." This is a classic form of manipulation.

Mary McCarthy was fired for "leaking" information on the illegal tactics that the Bush administration is using in their "war on terror.An article by Larry Johnson ("The Firing of Mary McCarthy") on TPM Cafe and TruthOut (4-22) should have Americans wondering if Mary McCarthy actually leaked any information, or if she is taking the weight for the administration's sins. (If by chance she did leak the information, I believe that she should have our respect. A "whistle-blower" is the government worker who exposes corruption by leaking it to the press. One thinks of the Pentagon Papers, or the "Deep Throat" operation to expose the crimes of Watergate.)

The most interesting "leak" case remains the Plame scandal. Much of the scandal involves the WHIG's attempts to damage war critic Joseph Wilson by leaking information to the media about his wife. The reaction to their activities was not what they anticipated.

"Without leaks," Evan Thomas and Michael Isikoff wrote, "arguably, the U.S. government could not function. Trial balloons could not be floated, political scores could not be settled, wrongs would go unexposed, policy could not be made." ("Secrets and Leaks"; Newsweek; 10-6-03) This pompous statement reflects one way that some people risk fooling themselves, of course, and illustrates the self-righteousness of those who would break the law in order to settle "political scores." The WHIG would be surprised by two responses to their leak: the Fitzgerald appointment, and the way the democratic left embraced Joe Wilson.

The corporate media was caught up in Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation of the scandal. Several were served subpoenas, and testified in front of the grand jury. Two fought the subpoenas in court, in a case that did involve 1st Ammendment issues. The administration and some in the media attempted to define it as solely a free press issue. The federal courts disagreed, however, and when Judith Miller refused to obey a court order, she was incarcerated. When she was released almost 3 months later, the public found out that Judith had not been answering to her editors, but instead was promoting the Rumsfeld/Cheney agenda.

The administration's supporters in the corporate media attempted to manipulate the public's perception of the scandal whenever tensions rose. In July, 2005, when Matt Cooper exposed the extent that Karl Rove was involved in the scandal, the Wall Street Journal "proclaimed Karl Rove the new Coleen Rowley -- a whistleblower just trying to help reporters sort out Joe Wilson's bad information." ("Plamegate Turns DC Upside Down"; CBS; 7-14-05)

Last week, attorneys from the New York Times, NBC, and Time argued that "freedom of the press" would be harmed if they were forced to fully cooperate with Scooter Libby's defense requests. They described the Team Libby tactics as desperate attempts to "cast a wide net" in a "fishing expedition." Lawyers for Judith Miller were among those asking Judge Walton to quash the subpoenas.

Also, in response to Judge Walton's 4-13-06 Order to Show Cause, in which Walton asked both Team Libby and Fitzgerald to address "several occasions" when "information has been disseminated to the press by counsel, which has included not only public statements, but also the dissemination of material that had not been filed on the public docket," Libby's attorneys were forced to admit to leaking to the media. This was after they argued against Fitzgerald for saying he had concerns with providing Team Libby with classified information.

In the weeks and months ahead, progressive democrats and others on the political left will have the opportunity to use these "leak cases" to increase the public's awareness of the criminal activities of the Bush administration, including the threats they pose to the U.S. Constitution. It will require that we become active participants in information gathering, and that we work to get that information into all forms of media -- including the corporate media. In the next couple of weeks, I will be discussing some of the tactics that I think are useful. I am hoping that others will contribute their thoughts on this subject as well.

We can become the medium that conveys the message. And it's the same message that the Founding Fathers communicated through that Bill of Rights.

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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:26 PM
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1. typo on 4th paragraph - should be sacred n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:30 PM
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2. Yikes!
Corrected -- thanks!
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:40 PM
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8. I can now die in peace
H2O Man FINALLY made a mistake :evilgrin:

:hi:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:43 PM
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10. I tend to make them
every single day. Luckily, this one was easily corrected.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:32 PM
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3. Mary McCarthy
Edited on Tue Apr-25-06 02:14 PM by Me.
I read Larry Johnson's piece and noted his surprise that she was the leaker. Therefore I wasn't surprised when her lawyer denied she was the source and Andrea Mitchell as good as saying she was a convenient scapegoat, used to send a warning.

It is distressing how the admin and people like Isikoff and Thomas view this as a game, small potatoes to commit treason or espionage. That is what comes of beltway myopia where gotcha is what they play without considering the ramifications of what they do.

As for AIPAC, I hope to God the prosecutor holds on and Ellis doesn't fold, so that Condi has to appear in answer to the subpoena.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:38 PM
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6. Speaking of Isikoff....
During Fitzgerald's last news conference, he called on Isikoff by his name. I believe he was the only one that Fitzgerald knew his name. Did Fitzgerald make it a point to know some of the reporters names before hand or did Isikoff interview Fitzgerald in the past?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 02:51 PM
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15. Interesting question.
I'm not sure of the answer. Mr. Fitzgerald is from NYC, and now Chicago. Perhaps he is most familiar with the members of the Washington news corps that he has interviewed, rather than those who have interviewed him.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 03:40 PM
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17. Thanks for your thought on this.
Did Fitzgerald ever interview Isikoff in the Leak case as a witness? You would think I would know all there is about this case but unfortunately I don't. :-)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 03:55 PM
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19. I don't know.
Maybe. Maybe he just reads Newsweek.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 03:59 PM
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21. I'm Not Sure
But didn't they cross paths during the blind sheik's trial in NYC?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 07:59 PM
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31. Maybe. I'll have to do some research on that.
Another reporter he also called by name was someone named Carol, I think. He did call her by her first name. And she wasn't bad looking either.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:34 PM
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4. Beautiful
Team Libby proving themselves untrustworthy to view any documents much less classified.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 02:06 PM
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11. As Aldous Huxley said,
"If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is:Infinite." Recently, Scott McClellan was referred to as a splattered bug on the windshield of history. Perhaps we can use some of the current leaks in perception to wash away such splattered remains of the administration, to allow our society a better view of the future.

(Think of the darnedest things when listening to "Riders on the Storm" on a rainy day in the northeast.)
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 02:29 PM
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13. Bugs That Need To Be Splatterd
And expect it to be so this year: Libby, Rove, Condi, Hadley, Matalin (by the end of the year) and Ari. Hopefully Cheney will be joining Mary.


*shadow government*
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 03:54 PM
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18. we'll see how things really appear
when the cleansing is complete.

Aldous Huxley ....

Riders on the Storm.....

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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 06:54 AM
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36. It gives me strength
to come home and see the two of you...

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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 05:27 PM
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24. Excellent OP waterman
one small point though:

"If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is: Infinite." This goes to William Blake, The Marriage of Heaven and Hell.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 05:36 PM
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26. Right.
It's hell to get old and lose your memory! Huxley used Blake's quote to come up with the title of his book on mescaline-induced experience, "The Doors of Perception." Thank you for reminding me.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 06:10 PM
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29. The Doors used this also, as sort of poetic reference for their name
Edited on Tue Apr-25-06 06:18 PM by Jose Diablo
That Blake, for a guy from long ago, he's kinda contemporary. And as TahitiNut said in reference to Blake, He was an optimist when thinking about humanity's potential, LOL.

From your OP, it looks like the 'reality based view' is taking over. The adm is crashing and burning with the illusions they pushed. For many in our country it must be like coming down from an LSD trip. It's been a long duration trip too. About 40 years I'd say.

Edit: I'm glad to live long enough to see the internet, bring us back down to earth.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 06:31 PM
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30. The Doors
were the first rock group of consequence to do an anti-war song in the 1960s. "The Unknown Soldier" would be appropriate for today, considering the administration's efforts to keep their deaths from the public's consciousness.

One of my friends called me yesterday. (In fact, he posts as Mr. Baggins on DU from time to time.) He had gone to watch an old friend's sons playing in a rock band over the weekend. He said they did some covers of the Doors. I think that Mr. Baggins would confirm that many, many years ago, if I had consumed the proper amount of Irish beverage, I could do a proper Jim M. imitation.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:36 PM
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5. One More Thing
We now have a situation where big Telecom is now trying to control the Internet. The message might end up being even more controlled if they have their way.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:38 PM
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7. K&R!
n/t
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 01:40 PM
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9. kicked, recommended and printed
:hi:
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 02:18 PM
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12. "We can become the medium"
K&R

:kick:

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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 02:50 PM
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14. And another kick!
:kick:
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 02:59 PM
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16. K&R, bookmarked, and printed...
I look forward to hearing your ideas. I freely admit I have no experience in teaching the blind to see, so to speak.

As usual, an excellent post. Have I told you recently that I love you and appreciate you?!!!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 03:56 PM
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20. Thank you. n/t
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:45 PM
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22. As always, brilliant!!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 05:33 PM
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25. Thank you!
One of the things that concerns me is an increase in negative responses to the media sources that are doing a good job on reporting on the Libby case and the grand jury hearings. These include some of the things I've noted being said about sources ranging from Hardball to RawStory. And I don't mean just those of the adolescents who channel the spirit of a 40-ounce bottle of Malt Liquor into one of those "F__K TWEETY!" posts so popular with the inarticulate. I've noticed more attempts to discredit Jason Leopold's reporting on the Rove business, and other things that convince me that the progressive left would benefit from reviewing how some minority groups learned to approach the media.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 12:32 AM
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34. Great essay, as always. Jason Leopold did two interviews with Dori Smith
Edited on Wed Apr-26-06 12:39 AM by Catrina
from www.talknation.org. It's a fairly new blog that features her radio interviews each week. There is a discussion forum there and Jason Leopold has agreed to answer some questions from participants about his book. We could send some questions to her, if anyone has any.

I would like to know what he thinks of the fact that Fitzgerald will not be calling Rove as a witness in Libby's trial ~ I believe he said he won't be calling Hadley either. I wondered if that means he expects both to be indicted. I understood they were present at some of the meetings with Cheney and Libby.

Her interviews Jason Leopold, which can be found here, are worth reading, imo. They are fairly long, with lots of internal links, so I'm still reading through them ~

Dori Smith: Jason you have written a lot about Patrick Fitzgerald and the is full of comments and discussions about your various stories and I would be remiss if I didn’t mention a few of the questions that bloggers I know have for you.

Jason Leopold: Sure.

Dori Smith: One, this is about the Plame affair of Scooter Libby, the President and Vice President. We have been getting a very sanitized version of the skimming really of these facts and you have been putting them together. But talk about the fact that there are big missing pieces like the White House Iraq Group or for example the role of people like Larry Franklin or the Israel lobby AIPAC. Talk about those other big pieces and how they might be revealed to the American people.

Jason Leopold: Well I have written about the White House Iraq Group (WHIG)and their involvement in this. The White House Iraq Group was a body that was put together by Andrew Card the former Chief of Staff to President Bush. The members included Condoleeza Rice –Karl Rove, Stephen Hadley, Scooter Libby, and basically their job was to market and sell the Iraq war to the American people. So records were actually subpoenaed by Patrick Fitzgerald to see what role this group of people played in the campaign to discredit Joe Wilson, whether this group in and of itself was responsible for the Plame leak.

.....


You know there is a lot of evidence and I have written essentially about the fact that the people that were involved in the campaign to discredit Joe Wilson, as well as the Valerie Plame leak, were all members of the White House Iraq Group. And I have not taken up the Larry Franklin, AIPAC, angle yet simply because my plate is full with what’s in front of me just with the senior folks in the administration and you know I was hoping to leave that to others at least at this point in terms of flushing that part out. But there certainly are a lot of tentacles to this story and I do understand that the blogosphere, which let’s fact it, the blogosphere certainly has kept this story alive.


http://www.talknationradio.org/

It's obvious from this that both Dori and Jason Leopold recognize what the OP talks about. That it is ordinary citizens who are reporting on the really big stories of these times, keeping them alive. And those who are online, telling their friends who are not, are making others aware that the corporate owned media is no longer working for the people.

I received a request tonight from my girlfriend, (who is not online) to email a friend of hers information on the Pentagon Spy Trial because even though he is very politically involved, he had no idea about this story at all. She did not know about Condoleeza Rice being called as a witness, and was only aware of the trial, because I have been telling her about it for months now.

I look forward to your ideas on how we can get the news out ~ I do tell as many people as I can, but some still believe that unless it's on television, it can't be true. That is changing (my girlfriend used to believe that) as over time, the stories those online tell their friends, finally make it to the MSM.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:56 AM
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40. If People Had Been Reading DU These Past 2+ Years
They would have read, in-depth, about all the members of WHIG and their involvement in Plame along with the AIPAC scandal and the Niger forgeries, all of which H20 calls the 3 leaves of the clover. H20, more than any other person I can name, was at the forefront of this story long before others were. This is not a criticism of anyone for it is encouraging that so many more people are becoming aware and involved.


*shadow government*
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 10:02 AM
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41. I agree. n/t
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 10:34 AM
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43. How Could You Not?
*shadow government*
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:58 PM
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46. Well
I do like to debate almost anything. I might have played the devil's advocate, and argued that Mr. H2O Man had done no such thing. But, alas, I know he did.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 02:53 AM
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35. I hear you...
I always say the right deserves the press it paid for, while the left deserves the press it gets because it won't fight for the press it wants and won't nurture and defend the press it needs.

If you look at the various groups and blogs, there are high school type cliques and antics. You piss off the popular kid in school and they will smear you to the coaches (ad people, money people, media folks). While they are busy fighting a good fight for their own ego, they are helping the right destroy the true fourth estate. It is how the Republican noise machine operates too, the smear tactics showing that the noise machine reverberates with the help of the left. Gary Webb was discredited by the left, or so called left, more than anything the right could have done.

There are people who have dedicated whole posts in attempting to discredit me using nothing more than rumor and suggesting that I somehow went into Raw Story and purged the archives so that no evidence of my false reporting could be found or that I somehow affected DU archives so that links to stories they claim I have written are not found. There are people who might be angry at a column writer and take it out on the news side, true of all publications, as though one has anything to do with the other. I could go on and on, but what I am saying is that when the some of the left gets caught up in the disinformation and attacks the work of journalists who are actually doing their job, everyone loses. Do you remember that posting some guy wrote demanding to know my sources and calling me NOT credible because my sources are not named? This same person failed to mention how many other people use unnamed sources and Dana Priest in fact just won a pulitzer for using unarmed sources. Essentially, what this person is saying boils down to "why would anyone go to you when they can go to the Post or the NYT" and yet fails to mention how corrupt the news arm of each publication is. Like I have to defend myself for being worthy of something and how does one defend against such blind discrimination against the small press.

Michael Smith broke the DSM and pre-war bombings stories and yet he wrote one story that was not liked (because it appears people will only read snips and out of context) and he was attacked very aggressively here on DU. He saw the posts and we talked about them. How am I to explain to him the type of hatred and ugly attacks on a man who has spent 20 years of his life trying to get the truth out? I was embarrassed for DU and for the left leaning people who posted such hate. But everyone has a right to their opinion, just sad to see it representing the left. I think a good debate is healthy, but to attack people and take their words out of context, distort them and claim some sort of honest debate is sad. And that is a shame for all of us.

I don't know if these people are planted psychos (Raw story reported 30 people were to be indicted crap)or simply psychos who have attached themselves to the left but seem more in line with the hate tactics of the far right. Whatever the reason, those who do not defend their free press they want (even when mistakes are made, people are human), deserve the corporate press they get. It is that simple... criticize a point in an article, disagree with it, but the moment you rip apart the writer a though they were nothing, you have lost the right to demand a diligent press. I said this somewhere much more eloquently (which is really rare for me, so worth finding), but it is 3 am nearly and i am tired. Hope this made sense. I agree with you as you know and I think the fact that journos can interact with readers online and intimately (example, blogs, or forums like DU) is a great way to build that bridge. But again, it is a great way to lose that connection because people think they have the right or the experience to demand, attack, and threaten those very writers who have made every effort to provide the most accurate information they can.

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brindis_desala Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 07:46 AM
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37. A democratic despotism is like a theocracy: it assumes its own correctness
I think Bagehot was onto something there even if he did not envision the universality of the "almighty US dollar". The "people" shall have their say whether informed, half-baked or not, such is the curse of being "liberal". But as you implied the greater challenge faced by journalists on the left is that confounded bottom dollar. Our corporate stenographers, once called newsmen, but who now function as the censorial eunuchs for the power elite are always assured the greater currency, and consequently the fatter paycheck. For that alone your work is invaluable and deserves our great appreciation and respect. I share your excellent efforts as far and wide as one can because, for without it there would be no chance at all to keep our emperors from appointing themselves gods.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:08 AM
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38. more
eloquent than I could ever be, amazing post and also, thank you.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 12:03 PM
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44. Well, I think the majority of people appreciate what independent
journalists, such as yourself and others at Rawstory are doing to get the truth out, Lala ~ it's true there seems always to be a few, and they are a few, who are willing to undermine those who have kept all these stories alive and available to an increasing Internet audience. It must be disturbing to have to answer to them, I know we all have encountered and countered their attacks ~

Jason Leopold, in the link I posted in my above post, says exactly what you are saying. That he too, has been critcized by some on the left (or claiming to be on the left) for using anonymous sources. That seems to be a very ignorant claim, imo. Would Deep Throat, eg, ever have talked to Woodward and Bernstein, had they not kept his identity a secret all these years?

You do great work, Lala, maybe that's why you, and Leopold and other independent journalists are being criticized. It could be the critics are fearful of the facts and are using unrelated nonsense to undermine the truth you have all told. You have certainly been vindicated, over and over again, so while I know it's upsetting, just remember there are literally thousands and thousand more of us who truly appreciate the work you do, which hopefully will bring about a change in journalism after all this is over ~ and you are proven to have been right, as has already happened numerous times.

I am happy that those I know, who used to laugh if I said 'I read it online', have now had time to see that often what I reported to them from online sources, eventually got into the MSM. It's wonderful when they say 'remember that story you told me last year, I just heard it on television'! I always mention the names of the people who report the real news, and names like yours and others, are beginning to carry weight, at least with those I talk to. So keep up the good work, we really, really need you! :-)
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:55 PM
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45. this is how the left murders it free press...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1027369

Without honesty
Without calm debate
Without integrity
With ego, with misrepresentations, and if all else fails, with pure hate.

Between the left and the right, and add to that the MSM, there is not much room for me and others like me. Because if such behavior against people, such sick behavior were truly abhorrent, then I would have thought the left, the real left, would defend their own, but they don't as you can plainly see, there is no one defending us even though the entire drama now being played out is based on omissions and distortions and egged on by those with a hard on to see Raw Story go down. Maybe they will win, but we will all lose. I am out of here... thanks much for your kind words.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:03 PM
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47. Jackals
and werehyena. Ignore them.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:59 PM
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23. Can't you wait until I get home?
I never get to read these, and fully appreciate them, until later. :)

K&R!
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 05:38 PM
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27. Another K & R
Edited on Tue Apr-25-06 05:46 PM by riderinthestorm
From this rider IN the storm....

One of my favorite bands, one of my favorite songs which clearly inspired my username.

Thanks for all of your hard work and excellent contributions. With your thoughtful commentary, I always feel more hopeful that we will all end up in the end as riders ON this storm.

Kick on! (FYI, that's a real horse riding term frequently heard at "combined training" competitions. The competitions evolved from the old cavalry 3-day trial for officers and their horses, the phrase connotes several things: "good luck" and "don't stop" and "ride through the problem with courage and determination").
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 06:02 PM
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28. K & R! Good Stuff! Thanks! n/t
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 09:46 PM
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32. So many leaks and not enough plugs!
Edited on Tue Apr-25-06 09:50 PM by Independent_Liberal
Send in the plumbing team!

:)
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 11:55 PM
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33. Kick
:kick:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:16 AM
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39. k and r
Thanks h20
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 10:13 AM
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42. K for the Kontext it provides. . . n/t
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:25 PM
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48. Thanks H2O and La La.
The RW fights with no holds barred. They have no honor. They know no shame. It is sad when some on the Left don't think through what they spout verbally &/or on the Net. On the Net we often don't know who is who and what they are up to so it make communication almost impossible at times.
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