Illegal Immigration strong protests demanding amnesty, may backfire.

[madmunchie]

How many of you agree with this? People that I have talked to about this issue are very angry about the demonstrations and the way that the Illegal Immigration question has brought thousands to the streets, not asking, but demanding rights leading towards amnesty. Before all of the demonstration and protests these same people were sympathetic to the illegal immigrants plight. Now these people are asking how people, who are in this country illegally, can demonstrate on our streets and actually have the audacity to demand legalization and rights.

Without flaming and getting your knickers in a knot, think about it. Do you think that these demonstrations may actually have the opposite affect than is being sought after? I personally think that it just might.

First of all, look at what is happening with the issue. We used to talk about "fixing the border problem and illegals", all in one breath. Now there is a move to separate and better define the issue and how to fix it. Now we are beginning to looking at #1 Securing the borders and then #2 What to do about the illegal immigrants already in this country. This, of course, is a much more sound approach. If the uproar continues, there may actually be logical and DOABLE solutions introduced and instituted.

As more outrage from the American public (that doesn't fall in the "illegal immigrants" or the "sympathetic to illegal immigrants"category) gets heard and felt in Washington D.C., carrying the American Flag upside down or carrying the Mexican Flag while demanding legal rights and threatening boycotts while marching on the U.S. streets may actually fuel a large backfire.

Back in the 60's and 70's kids took to the streets demonstrating against Viet Nam. Many middle class voters labeled these activists as radicals. They were not looked at too fondly by the middle class VOTERS.. That is the key here, MIDDLE CLASS VOTERS (the sleeping giant) (I say the comatose giant) Waken them, turn them, give them a patsy, and there just may be some unintended results.

[ret5hd]

1. agitprop is best left to the pro's.

[pocket]

2. yes, it was bad PR

Amerikkkan middle class voters don't like to be told what to do.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. They remind me of the civil rights marches.

Could they backfire? Possibly.

If you could go back in time and stop the civil rights marches, would you?

[heidler1]

5. There is one hell of a big difference between getting here as a slave

and getting here under your own power. Sympathy for those who were brought here as slaves runs pretty high, that is till they start demanding payback money. IMO Sympathy for illegals is mainly limited too countrymen and employers who want cheap labor. Of course there are exceptions. IMO the illegals have overplayed their hand.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. So... race discrimination against black people was bad...

because they had been slaves. Up until they started asking for compensation.

but... race discrimination against hispanics isn't so bad. Because while they work like slaves and are ridiculously under paid, they're not technically slaves...

My head hurts.

[NNN0LHI]

7. The racists I know have Ø sympathy for former slaves

They were hoping ship all the blacks back to Africa before they got onto the Mexican bandwagon.

Don

[madmunchie]

9. I get where you are coming from. Demanding payback money is

tricky, because many our ancestors were not involved in the slavery as they were in other countries. So, who pays the payback, people who had absolutely nothing to do with slavery? What amount of money is going to satisfy the debt? I personally don't know. I don't think any amount of money makes up for what happened.

As far as countrymen and employers wanting cheap labor, well, that hurts a lot of the lower class people as well as the middle class people. Low paying jobs stay low paying when you are competing for a job that somebody will do for less than the going wages. Construction for instance has a huge difference in wages depending on which part of the country you are working in. Where there are no unions and many illegals, wages at $10.00/hr are not uncommon. Where there is union and plenty of middle class work force, wages can be $30.00 an hour, HUGE difference.

I think that many people resent people coming into this country illegally and competing for jobs or undercutting the going wage and causing that job to be kept at depressed wages.

The average lower class and middle class Americans might not be so likely to turn their heads if they know that illegal immigrants are among them - if this issue heats up anymore.

[heidler1]

12. We see it about the same. Bush's push for amnesty doesn't sell here in AZ

I have real doubts that anything will be done. Perhaps a short period of border control then back to the old game of let em in. The Republican greed comes first.

[NNN0LHI]

4. What would have happened had the Jews in Germany done the same thing?

Rather than passively getting in the cattle cars to be deported?

How successful would that group of Nazi motherfuckers have been do you think?

Don

[mitchtv]

8. depends on the state

Border states like Cal AZ and TX may turn Dem for good as prop 187 did for California, won 1 election lost the huge MexAm vote forever. You will also note that US flags are used almost exclusively in the demos lately. The pukes hope to ride in on the backs of immigrants, but they are standing on the toes of MexAms(Chicanos) , who have taken this issue personally.

[Terran1212]

10. The voters don't matter that much

I know that line may seem like heresy, but in the end the voting in this country is so centralized by powerful elites that it rarely matters. What happens with people and our culture is more powerful

[Zorra]

11. Yeah, I think you are right, it backfired. n/t