15 YO Girl gets threats after producing animated short film.

[A HERETIC I AM]

Many on DU have seen this girls video. Here is the story from Progressive.org:
http://progressive.org/mag_mc042406

<snip> “It’s people like you who need to fucking die and get raped while your corpse rots in the sun,” said one e-mail Lowery shared with me. “Fuck you, I would jack off on your parents if I could. If you don’t like the team, get out of the park. That means take ur small dick and get the fuck off of my homeland you faggot chocolate gulper.”

“You are a TRAITOR to your country and should be executed for treason,” another one said. “All you do is bitch about the US. If you hate it so much, why don’t you GET THE FUCK OUT.”

“Why don’t you go masterbate to a pic of Sheehan and fuck off,” said a third.

“Are you a muslem terrorist?” asked another.

She says there was a threat against her that was circulating “on the conservative underground.” And she says she received one e-mail from someone who said, “Contact me ASAP. It concerns a danger to your life.”

When her mom called the number, the person who answered denied any knowledge of the threat, Lowery says.

<snip>
What wonderful people those conservatives are, huh?

It's becoming increasingly obvious that there is a segment of the population that would prefer we all just goose-step right along with them.

[mdmc]

1. theys just fightin for what they beleive in

Peace to Ava!

[Miss Chybil]

73. But they won't really fight. If they'd really fight, they'd be in Iraq.

Chickenshit, chickenhawks.

[file83]

80. Ava's video WWJD is devastating to Bush:

http://peacetakescourage.cf.huffingtonpost.com/animations/wwjd.html

Amazing.

[raccoon]

101. Great video. Thanks for the link.

As for those arseholes making those threats, it's easy to be an outspoken, aggressive arsehole sitting in front of one's computer. I have a stupid relative who's like that. Slings the venom online but she wouldn't be brave enough to say it to my face.

[AngryOldDem]

118. Thanks for the link

I'm in tears. No wonder Bush's base is pissed -- they've just been reminded that, after all this time and after all their patriotic bluster, they still do have consciences after all. Deep down, even THEY know this war is wrong.

[Sequoia]

134. Streaming tears

at work. Very powerful Ava, what a wonderful job, thank you. Jesus loves the little children, all the children in the world. Red, brown, yellow, black and white, they are precious in his sight. Jesus loves the little children OF THE WORLD!!!!!

[NEOBuckeye]

128. It's so easy for cowards to try and bully a teenage girl

If they really believe so strongly in Bush and their cause, they need to enlist and ask to be sent directly to Iraq.

Otherwise, they need to keep their mouths shut.

[Mythsaje]

2. Scum...

Stir the pot and the scum rises to the surface.

And some people wonder why a number of us believe liberals should be armed. We've got big targets drawn on us by the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, and Coulter.

I hope the cops or FBI are investigating these threats, but I won't hold my breath.

[DS1]

3. What's a chocolate gulper?

Is that what you do to wash down your granola?

[uppityperson]

29. I think it is a mixed metaphor

ooo, bad word "metaphor"

[Catherine Vincent]

4. Is that our Ava from DU?

[KitchenWitch]

7. Yes it is!

[MelissaB]

8. Yes, I just clicked the link.

:(

[Mabus]

36. That was the first person I thought of

Sorry to know it is our. I've enjoyed her posts/links.

Ava, if you read this, we're behind you. Let us know what we can do to help.

[Kire]

86. This is a dupe thread

She posted it the other day and it was the greatest thread up until this morning.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=5070313

[Midlodemocrat]

5. This story is about the Duer Ava.

She is only 15, but she is really committed and bright.

[A HERETIC I AM]

30. I had no idea she was a DU'er. I spotted the story on Crooks and Liars

on the "Brads Blog Roundup" segment. Went to the link and there was the story.


Bless her talented little heart. If you're reading this, Ava....hang in there girl. In the trucking biz, we have a name for people like that: "CB Rambos" Big and full of bluster when sitting anonymously in their cab in a truckstop. Same with any dickhead that makes such threats over the internet.

[Midlodemocrat]

40. Here's a story ABC news did on her

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1059369&page=1

She's something.

[myrna minx]

45. Thanks for posting this.

What an amazing young woman. She gives me hope for the future. :bounce:

[Midlodemocrat]

46. She seems like an amazing kid. I PM'd her to let he know about this

thread. I hope she sees it.

[raccoon]

102. Same here! It's great to know we have young Americans like her. nt

[DollyM]

131. Wow! She is home schooled too!

Being a mom who home schools too, I know all the criticisms from ignorant people (most it from school professionals!)but this is an example of how positive the home schooling experience can be. We don't have to worry about being "politically correct" in our home and if we want to comparisons between Bush and Hitler, we will. (Remember the teacher who was suspended after making these remarks in his public school classroom?) The biggest myth about those who home school is that we are all right wing extremists. Many of the families in my Home School Association are, but I politely ask them to not send me right wing pro-Bush propaganda and I won't send them anti-Bush propaganda. So we agree to disagree and leave it at that. I have made a few mad and they ignore me at meetings but hey, that's okay too. The moderate and liberal thinking home school families are growing in number every day and soon we might be in the majority. We all home school for different reasons and as public schools become worse, there will be more who choose to take this path.

[file83]

78. Here's the story link to the C & L post....

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/04/25.html#a8036

[Saphire]

47. I had no idea she was only 15...what a talented young woman.

[lpbk2713]

6. The "Deliverance" crowd is alive and well.

[HughBeaumont]

9. Ava's an occasional DUer.

Powerful stuff. I've seen most of it on Bushflash, except the WWJD one.

I think that the Shitpublican pigfelchers who attacked her should drink some Drano and be done with it.

[motocicleta]

31. Seconded. With authority.

shitpublican pigfelchers? That, my friend, is a genius turn of phrase. I intend to steal it and disseminate it widely.

[HughBeaumont]

57. Such a name is befitting of those who

attack 15 year old girls who are guilty of nothing except caring. We need more Avas and less Jim Robinsons.

[windy252]

10. Recommending this.

I guess she struck a nerve.

[KamaAina]

11. Why do these dirtbags hate America so much?

Here we have a 15-year-old getting involved in the political process, and exercising her First Amendment right to free speech. By objective standards this qualifies her as a great-red-blooded American in a tradition dating back to Tom Paine.

So what do these self-described "superpatriots" do? They heap scorn and abuse upon her like so many brownshirts, in an attempt to intimidate her into silence. Oh how very American of them. :sarcasm: :grr: :banghead:

[madokie]

12. She posted this yesterday. Young people like her give me great hope

Our future is in their very capable hands. bless her. Ava when you read this remember we here have your back.

[Taverner]

13. This is why I support the 2nd ammendment

Conservatives are fucking NUTS! Numbers show that they make up the majority of child molesters so this is not a surprise.

[RaleighNCDUer]

14. The "contact me" email is disturbing. Particularly since the person

who answered denied knowing what it was about.

That person could easily *69 to get the phone number, then find name and address on the net. Simply calling could create the very danger it supposedly warned against.

[Ava]

51. that's why we called from a 1-800 number that can't be traced

don't worry, we are careful! :hi:

[RaleighNCDUer]

56. Thanks for the reassurance!

I may be paranoid, but you know what they say...

:thumbsup:

[Ava]

58. oh don't worry! i'm just as paranoid!

:pals:

[Oversea Visitor]

126. Good

Cause your WWJD is a major blow to bush religious base.
Unwittingly your have drop a nuke on this very strong support base of the Republician

As a 15 years old spokeGIRL they cant attack you back in anyway, cant be slander cant be swiftboat.

Better be paranoid, cause the more exposure you have the greater is the damage you cause to his support from this group.

My opinion of bush is that he has no limit to how far he will go. So you take good care of yourself.

[Nickster]

99. You're a wonderful young lady. Please keep it up, don't let the thugs hold

you down.

[jackster]

106. Ava - you go girl!

Don't give in and don't let up. It's young people such as yourself who will eventually be called on to save us from the mess that Reagan/BushCo has created.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

117. U = t3h 5m4r7

:thumbsup:

Heh. I'll bet the would-be terrorist* was pretty frustrated when no caller-ID came up!

* Yes, you read it right. Terrorist.

[PA Democrat]

157. I'm glad to hear you are being careful, Ava!

Your work is an inspiration.

[President Kerry]

169. glad to know you're ok..

:toast:

cheers Ava

[cdb]

15. Christian values

Once again we see the moral majority in action...

[NJmaverick]

16. Ever notice domestic terrorism stopped

after the conservatives got the power they lusted for and craved?

[baldguy]

17. Isn't conservative Christian compassion wonderful?

:sarcasm: :puke:

[sharp_stick]

18. Not one of these pricks

has the guts to post their contact information either do they? Damned near everyone of these threat spewing assholes is nothing but a clueless puke that couldn't back up a single one of their threats.

I'd love to meet one of them, I have a really nice baseball bat that I'm not using that much right now.

[A HERETIC I AM]

35. Like i said above, the internet equivalent of a "CB Rambo"

A guy all tough and high talking when he is safely tucked away in his cab, sitting in the middle of a truckstop with 200 other trucks arounbd, talking crap like his is going to kick some ass. But ask him where he is parked and all you get is silence.

Same thing

[joefree1]

67. I got more then that

But finding a freeper in public is very hard to do. You've got get an address to the closet they're hiding in first.

[PegDAC]

177. They are

just out to frighten people into silence. Hang in there, Ava!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. No doubt these are the same people...

who got hysterical over the mohammed-cartoon protests.

Hey kid, good on you.

[Craig3410]

20. Advocating raping and killing a 15-year-old just because

she doesn't agree with your political view.

AND THEY SAY THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THE ADULTS?!?

Someone PLEASE send this to Olbermann. Please.

[movie_girl99]

21. we have some awesome young DUers here

it truly amazes me but also gives me hope to see teenagers getting involved and working to try and make a difference.

[ladjf]

22. These terrible responses are no less that major sex crimes

against the young lady who produced the video. Why isn't the Attorney General of Alabama or the United States trying to prosecute these criminals? Because they are too busy outlawing didoes.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

23. sons of bitches. DAMN THEM. That 15 yr old is something special.

Damn this war, too.

[Catherine Vincent]

24. She needs to appear on Olbermann and let everyone know

the threats and comments made to her from conservatives. If this was the other way around, she would be on Hannity's show in a heartbeat!

[seabeyond]

25. they are awfully obsessed with their dicks. i think this is indicative

of the whole of the republican party. they couldn't have said it any better. it is all about their penis

good christian moral and values. once again, showing us how it is done........NOT

[BattyDem]

28. You're right

It's always about the penis ... or rape ... or gay sex. WTF is wrong with these people?

[motocicleta]

32. No kidding

It's amazing that it's always about the penis, because we know for a fact that there are lots of good liberal men, and lots of horrorshow women in the shitpublican pigfelching party, so why do they always come back to the penis? I think a psychiatrist could tell us something useful here.

[Drum]

33. Yes, really!

"...I would jack off on your parents if I could..."
WTF?
Is that bozo unwittingly admitting some, er, lack of ability ("if I could")???
Or really bad aim, or a very strange fetish?

Brutality really speaks to their sort. See also: Abu Ghraib

[seabeyond]

37. Abu Ghraib, republican pedophiles, womens rights and rape tough shit

it goes on and on and on with their penis.

hence, their manly man stANCE. and wy the white male is firmly in hteir camp. all about the penis

[Drum]

43. but f.w.i.w....

I'm a white male, here in your (our) camp.

[jsamuel]

50. yeah, me too, but we aren't insecure

about what...? It doesn't have to be sexual, it can be any number of things. Some people are just pissed at their lives and want to feel better than "someone".

[seabeyond]

55. yes you are, as is my hubby and two very white boys... girlie men

that is what they call you. i love our dem males. still it is a particular white testosterone driven male that has this old patriarchal attitude.

of course it is not all white male, just as it is not all female in the dem party.

i do believe how bush, and dobson, and many of the other repug presents their maleness has something to do with it all. i see it in my father and two brothers. especially one brother. the only reason he is a repug is it is the male he feels he is suppose to be to be a "real" man. you know the ones that talk about their penis and jacking off on parents

[Rocknrule]

26. "Hate! Kill all who are not like me!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!"

typical conservative. Can't stand the mere existance of anyone who looks, thinks, or believes differently from them.

[BattyDem]

27. This is the problem with conservatives

They can never just disagree with a person or a viewpoint and state their reasons in a rational manner. They IMMEDIATELY resort to vicious, personal attacks, threats, name calling, etc. It's not just the nuts on the internet - the entire Republican party does it! They always question everyone else's patriotism and loyalty to America, yet their actions prove that they don't have a fucking clue what America is or what democracy means! :grr:

[disndat]

109. Gore '08

Love, love, love your poster! Like sun breaking through a dark cloudy sky. Keep up the drumbeat to carry the message far and wide.

[juajen]

152. That poster with our President Gore is just wonderful!

I want him to run again, but I can't imagine his family being hurt any more. They have been through so much. They are tough and wonderful Americans. May God bless this family, and please give them back to us.

[northofdenali]

34. Like Ava says with each of her videos -

PEACE TAKES COURAGE

[gratuitous]

38. It takes a certain kind of man . . .

To make anonymous threats against a 15-year-old girl while there's a war going on. A certain kind of man, indeed.

[lpbk2713]

65. Call him a man if you will .....

but I wouldn't be quite that generous.


Ava is obviously doing something very right.


Keep it up, girl. You do good work!

[President Kerry]

170. Agreed..

It degrades the meaning of the word "man" (which has nothing to do with gender but character).

[Lochloosa]

39. Kick

[progressoid]

41. Wonder if they are going to take their own advice & "Love it or leave it"

when there is a Democratic President and Congress?

Probably not.

[ComerPerro]

42. These are the same OhReally watching jerks who are so concerned

about protecting young children from child abusers, probably, and are the same people in the "pro-life" crowd.

You disagree with them once, and suddenly they are ready to torture and kill you, rape your corpse, and masturbate on your parents....

[Craig3410]

44. Bingo!

Edit: Oops; hit the button early; my bad :)

That pretty much sums up perfectly how hypocritical they are.

[Ava]

48. Thanks everyone!

check this out: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1022624

[Maestro]

167. Don't worry Ava

Their heads are exploding because you actually speak the truth. Their limited cranial capacity can't understand that plus all of them are very brave behind the anonymity of the computer and email. Keep up the good work!

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

49. The results of hate radio and the demonization of all things liberal

Disgusting as "shitpublican pigfelchers" are, they are doing what their media has programmed them to do, lash out and attack anything they can't shout down.

It's amazing how right to life they are until birth or somebody contradicts their self-righteous little fantasy world.

That must be why they love the fetus and hate the child. The fetus can never point out what little tiny-cocked shitheads they are.

[depakid]

53. EXACTLY

add to that 25 years of divestment in education and this is what you get.

[i kiss first]

52. anybody....anybody

presidential candidate 2036, 2040. with that kind of enthusiasm that young, man we got something here. who's with her.. I AM!

[Bhaisahab]

89. welcome to DU

love you nic and your sig. you're quite a cool dude yourself. maybe you can run for vice president in 2036 :)

[Generic Other]

54. These people are really sad and so pathetic

They can be very proud of themselves. It's pretty sad commentary when a talented and articulate 15 year old girl is treated like this by big dumb chickenhawk assholes. They need to crawl back into their fetid hate-filled cells and decorate the walls with their own stinking shit.

Nothing lower than brain dead monkeys in heat.

[Notoverit]

59. Conservativism=mental illness. This synches it!

They lose all perspective, all reason, all contact with reality.
This is beyond being amoral - it's dangerously disturbed! Padded cells - that's what they need.

[Lib Grrrrl]

129. Totally. Scott Beach Nailed It Twenty Years Ago...

"Religion And Politics"
by Scott Beach

(to be read outloud in one breath)

Religion and politics often make some people lose all
perspective and give way to ranting and raving and carrying
on like emotional children they either refuse to discuss it
with reason or else they prefer argumentum ad homeinem which
is a hell of a way to conduct a discussion well anyhow not
long ago I was talking about the elections and how the
campaigns were ignoring the issues and sticking instead
to invective and personal crap that had nothing to do
with the substantive problems of running a government
which is all true as you know if you followed the speeches
and so called debates of the candidates anyhow one of the
guys I was talking with said not a word in the whole
conversation except at the end when he suddenly chuckled
and said we were all full of **** and why didn't we all go
live in Russia or China if that was the way we all hated
the United States of America next thing you know the whole
blooming discussion is more like a brawl and the epithets flew
thick and fast and the noise was incredible someone said "son of
a bitch" and I think he said "bastard" I couldn't be sure it was
all so confusing well anyhow I was attempting to get it all
back on a rational level I tried for example to talk to the
one who had started it all and I asked him just what did he
mean we were all full of **** was he making a statement of
fact as he knew it and where was his documentation to back
up his claim I think Socrates would have been proud of the
way I refuted his argument that is I tried to refute it but
all he could offer by way of rebuttal was more of the same
about how we were all full of **** but he wouldn't say why
he just kept on repeating it that and the part about Russia
and China and Communist dupes and I'll have to confess that
I got a bit angry and told him to stuff his ideas up his ass
which you don't have to tell me is hardly a way to convince
anyone in an argument then he got salty and threatened to
give me a punch in the mouth if I didn't shut up and I really
got hot and the others did too and we all beat the **** out
of Mr. Conservative and after all he had only himself to be
blamed this is still a free country and anyone telling a
fellow like me "brother you're full of ****" better be
good and ready to answer politely when asked if he'd care
to say why!"

[glitch]

60. Net threats against a minor is something the FBI used to look into pre-911

Perhaps they still do when they aren't surveilling environmentalists. I'd call them if I were her parents.

[mduffy31]

104. Wait

...isn't this the type of thing that the AG is using Homeland Securtiy to investigate, or is it just when Republicans just want to fuck 15 year old girls and not rape and abuse?

[Lib Grrrrl]

130. No...The Last Major Use Of Homeland Security

was when they were used to track down the Democrats who fled to New Mexico to deny a quorum in the Texas Legislature, so that the Republicans could ram through their illegal partisan power grab redistricting proposal, sponsored by none other than Tom Fucking DeLay.

DeLay, himself, was involved in getting Homeland Security misused to attempt to track the missing Democrats!

Understand, Homeland Security only goes after threats to Republicans. They could give a shit care less if it is a Democrat that gets threatened! Ever notice they STILL haven't nailed the anthrax guy? Why not, you ask? Well, who gives a shit...that guy only targeted DEMOCRATS....

[Rocknrule]

61. Because we all know Jesus gunned down everyone who disagreed w/him

:puke: :argh:

[Norwood]

62. Wow and these people are supposed to be the party of moral values?

They do realize this is a fifteen year old girl right? They're advocating the rape, torture, and murder of this fifteen year old girl? The extremists on the right never cease to amaze, no disgust me. Exercising your right to free speech bad, rape and murder good?

What country is this? People like this are the reason I'm a gun owner.

Keep doing what your doing Ava, we got ur back!

[upi402]

63. I have zero tollerance for those freaks anymore

I'm done being civilized to the puke-ass neocons

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

64. This Girls Video??????

It isn't This Girl, it is Ava, and she's an avid DUer we know and love. :)

[A HERETIC I AM]

69. Excuse the hell out of me!

I've been a member on this board since August of '03 but i have been unable to keep up with the posts and private lives of the 88 thousand individuals registered here. As i said wa back up there on post # 30...oh....about SIX HOURS before you made your post, i HAD NO IDEA SHE WAS A DU'ER and proceeded to compliment her and offer some encouragement.

All i did was bring this story to your attention.

You chose a tone in your post apparently intended to make me look foolish because i was so thoughtless as to not know who Ava was.

Again. Excuse the fuck out of me.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

70. Actually, I Was Just Lightheartedly Teasing.

Hence the smilie. There was no intent of casting foolishness or disgust whatsoever, and my apologies for not making it more clear that it was in a serious tone rather than a just bustin around lighthearted one.

But shit, take a chill LOL

:)

[A HERETIC I AM]

71. Take a chill? Holy crap! I'm the most chilled poster on this board!

A HERETIC I AM <-- less than 2000 posts in 32 months. Means i read a lot more than i post and when i do post i try and be careful, thoughtful, informative or funny. I admittedly fail on all accounts occasionally.

OPERATIONMINDCRIME <-- over 4000 in less than 6 months.

What does this tell me? Tells me you spend a shitload more time on the internets than i do.

Apology accepted.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

72. LOL.

Not one for lighthearted bustin I take it :rofl:

Look, ya absolutely flipped out in reply to a comment that was meant very lightheartedly, and that I apologized for not having made clearer in it's joking intent. And you very well may be an extremely cool headed poster that is quite thoughtful, and from this OP I have no doubt to that. But I was just responding to the one reply, that's it, not your permanent demeanor. It was a harmless and friendly follow up reply, so having to compare post counts was probably unnecessary.

But it's all good. We just didn't connect on the same wavelength tonight. No biggie.

:toast:

[Warren DeMontague]

76. "Calmer than you are, Dude."

[SlavesandBulldozers]

142. hahah!

"Calmer'n you are dude"

[file83]

181. 'It's my laundry....the whiiiitesss.'

[SlavesandBulldozers]

182. "smokey you mark that frame an eight youre entering a worldofpain

a world. . . of pain"

[harlinchi]

124. I've got to learn to respond as you do.

I've made posting mistakes on DU before which caused misinterpretations to occur. Your responses show a level of class and intelligence to which I aspire. Nicely said.

[Rocknrule]

66. Sickest, most violent, most hateful MFers on the planet

They want to scoop out liberals' brains and eat them. They want liberals to be hanged, drawn, quartered, burned, and shot in the head 1000000 times. They want to drop nukes and shove people into gas chambers until there is no one left on Earth who isn't white, straight, and pro-Bush. I'm not exaggerating, I'm paraphraising things these people have actually written and their desire to kill everyone who isn't exactly like them. If any of the monsters who wrote this are reading, go back into your parents' basement and jerk off to Saving Private Ryan and leave the rest of the civilized world alone.

[populistdriven]

68. One of these NAZI'S rammed my car because he didnt like my magnet

get em here
http://www.supportandstop.com/

[Lib Grrrrl]

132. Sincerely??

Holy shit, I'd report that to the State, i'd make issue out of it. A guy who would INTENTIONALLY RAM someone else, because they do not like their bumper sticker, or magnet, or whatever...that's a person who needs their drivers license suspended...for a good long time - and anger management classes!

[populistdriven]

148. In Florida they don't care unless there is more than 500$ damage

[hopeisaplace]

74. Aren't there internet laws now against these type of threats?

[kestrel91316]

84. Yes, but those laws specifically do not apply to Republicans.

[Rocknrule]

85. Are there ANY laws that do anymore?

Gosh, if everyone were Republican, there would be total anarchy, since the law doesn't apply to them

[kestrel91316]

87. Not sure. I DO know that the First Amendment ONLY applies to Republicans.

[Warren DeMontague]

75. Ava speaks the PLAIN TRUTH about what is being done in our name right now.

No wonder those filthy, guilty, foul little black-souled shits are angry.

DU is truly lucky to have her grace us with her company.

Ava, you rock.

:yourock:

[file83]

79. Ava's "WWJD" video is the one, I'm sure, that pushed their button.

It's great because it is so devastating to Bush - "Jesus loves me" to the pictures of dead Iraqi children that BUSH is responsible for - you can't argue against the hypocrisy she exposes in that video. Brilliant!

WWJD!: http://peacetakescourage.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

[Rocknrule]

77. People with these kind of violent fantasies belong in asylums

"I want to scoop out a liberal's brain with my fucking HANDS and EAT IT!!!!!!!! I want to rip out a liberal's fucking HEART and INTESTINES and have SEX with them!!! I want to run over liberals with a motherfucking semi truck and MASTURBATE on their corpses before BURNING them!!!!! I want to take a bath in the blood of a MILLION liberals after I SHOOT them all in the head with a SHOTGUN 10000000 times!!!! I'M FULL OF HATE AND I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Folks, that's the mentality we are dealing with
:scared:

[Lib Grrrrl]

133. Is There A Point

where these people just lose all touch with humanity and civility? These are actions even the most predatory of animals would not do! Jesus Christ would definitely support these people...wouldn't He??? :sarcasm:

[flvegan]

81. Lots of love for Ava, here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1024807&mesg_id=1024807

She deserves it.

[bluestateguy]

82. Something I have learned to do the next time there is a Dem. president

Year 2009:

(To conservative): "If you don't like the way President (Clark/Warner/Clinton/Feingold/etc.) is running the country then get the hell out! All you guys do is bitch about this country. If you don't like it, leave."

[gordontron]

83. damn the internet for once

let them do that to her face so we can flatten them. (I'm pissed)

[Kire]

88. Check out Ava's journal

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Ava

She got love from Cindy Sheehan herself.

[NMMNG]

90. *Prefer* we all goose-step along with them?

They'd demand it at gun-point if that option were available to them. These people are batshit crazy and violent.

[B3Nut]

91. Their comments...

...both piss me off horribly, and make me laugh at the sheer stupidity at the same time. One freeper doesn't seem to get the fact that girls do not have penii, large or small, and they are completely incapable of spelling properly (ur small dick??? 'muslem'???). This is the caliber of intellect that enjoys having Bush in power. And talk about having issues....they don't have issues, they have the whole damned subscription!

Ava's kicking ass. Keep it up.

Todd in Beerbratistan

[LynneSin]

92. And to think I'm not a part of their party of Family Values

There are people who I don't agree with but I have yet to recommend any of them should fucking die, have their corpse raped and rot in the sun. I mean, if I don't like you then I ignore you!

[E-Z-B]

93. These are people that I forever want to remain Bush's 33%

I never want these guys to vote for the democratic ticket.

[dfrailey]

94. OMFG!

I am overwhelmed by this fantastic video! A 15 year old girl produced this? WHY WHY WHY is this not running on every television station in America?????????? This is the most moving thing I have seen in years!!!!!!!!

[Evergreen Emerald]

95. You have the support of my daughter and I Ava

Great job on the videos. You are one who saw the injustice and did something about it. You are an inspiration and show that one person can make a difference.

[chelsea0011]

96. Since when are threats protected by free speech?

Rape, assault, violence, threats. It sounds like crimes to me. Where are the Bushies to investigate these crimes against a 15 year old underage person? The silence is deafening.

[Locrian]

97. Incredible work AVA

Keep it up - their anger means we are getting through. Of course its tough going to get through a fools skull.


The soul, too, has her virginity and must bleed a little before bearing fruit.
The young man who has not wept is a savage, and the old man who will not laugh is a fool.

George Santayana




Be safe.

[bloom]

105. Sounds like crimes to me too.

Love to Ava - :loveya:

[xchrom]

98. so has anyone sent a record of these threats to her representative

or senator?

congrats ava -- on the great work -- the attention you're receiving from the nazis is only evidence that you are doing the right thing.

[keith the dem]

100. AVA is our very own Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Bonhoeffer used the beatitudes to underscore the true teachings of Christ and to show the extreme hypocrisy in Germany at the time of the rise of the third reich. It drove the Nazis bat shit crazy then and it drives the greedy right wing crazy now..

To stand by and do nothing makes you complicit with the evil done in our name. AVA has touched the button of decency and conscience that exists in most people. Great progress has been made by people like Jesus, Gandhi, and Martin Luther King in the same way.

thank god for AVA!

[brainshrub]

103. I've gotten a veiled threat from that group.

You have nothing to worry about Eva, they are cowards.

If they had the balls to actually follow up on their threats, they would have enlisted in the military.

Chicken-hawks. Every one of them.

[Kixel]

107. The video's are beautiful...

I think a lot of people become very upset when their hypocrisy is exposed-the video is obviously showing the true Christian message. They are as deranged as you are courageous, Ava. Thank you for producing the videos-I am so sick of the way Christ has been manipulated by the right wing whack jobs. The beatitudes were a great touch, that's what being a Christian is really about. Way to live your convictions-both religiously AND politically. Stay safe!!

[Botany]

108. When they can not attack the validity of the message attack ...

.... the messenger. How dare this talent young women use her right of freedom
of speech. How un-American.

[crjudge]

119. Ava is a minor -- the thugs have committed a crime

Sure, the messages these turkeys sent Ava are low-brow, dim-witted and disgusting. But they are also criminal offenses. Why aren't the police investigating? It's criminal, dammit. These perverts have sexually assaulted a minor child and should be busted for it.

Lude messaging to a minor was one of the the things that got that dumb dude from DHS busted, wasn't it? I think it's clear that the law prohibits messaging a minor child with lude and sexually explicit remarks and language, period.

Personally, I would love to see the police bust these pantloads. I would love even more to hear them squeal like pigs for their cell mates. I'm not holding my breath for either event, however.

Ava, keep it up. Your voice is needed if we are ever going to get our country back. The men who attack you are failures in life and failures at manhood; cowards, hiding behind the anonymity of the internet, spewing filth at passing heroes, like you! ;-)

[Cassandra]

144. The word you are looking for is "lewd"

Ludes are something else altogether. ;-)
Great thought, though. Can we get them for perversion?
Welcome to DU!

[onehandle]

110. These are the people who stand with the President.

I'm sure he's proud.

[sakabatou]

111. Here's another post by those same asshats

"Hahahahhhahaha you fucking faggot. Get out of here, nobody cares who the Christ you are. You think that saying that is going to make people think you're cool, or that you're going to make some new Internet friends? "Haha this kid just uploaded an image, he's cool! I'm going to remember his name forever and he's going to become a very cool person here."

Too bad it doesn't work that way. You can't curry favor with us by asserting that you are somehow the winner of a self-appointed internet contest. No one is going to think you're cool now, no one is going to think that you're somehow a good poster. No one cares, and everyone thinks you're a fucking retard.

Congratulations! You will be remembered, but only as a drooling retard. Your name has been added to b.txt and every time you post, we will all point and laugh at you, the faggot who can't make it on the internet. Get the fuck out of here, nobody wants you here."

[Imagevision]

112. Ava, they can't handle the reality of Bush war, Bush wouldn't show them

nor allow the true images of what is really going on with Bushco claims of victory in Iraq.

[Wise Doubter]

113. What would/will be said of THIS video ?

http://www.halfpastzero.com/media/hpzMovie.wmv

[samhsarah]

114. Vicious Vile Filth.....

Every last one of them. I'm am really starting to get sick of the fact that we share a country with these pigs. I know that's not very tolerant of me, but attacking a 15 year old girl that has done nothing wrong? The only thing she has done is point out what a mass-murdering turrist their preznit is, and she has done a damn good job of it. I guess the truth hurts. Rock on, Ava. :yourock:

[Mad_Dem_X]

115. Wow, they get testy, don't they?

They don't know how to express themselves without using profanity and vulgar terms. Pathetic.

[derby378]

116. Bless your heart, Ava...

If they want you, they'll have to come through me first. Nobody hurts my fellow DUers.

[meowfire]

120. Thank you

Thanks for the videos. Touching... and very hard to watch. But beautiful.

[emald]

121. words, not actions, are the refuge of those who cant

do anything about anything. Thats all they have.
I saw WWJD. very well done video. Nice work kid. Unfortunately those writting the bad comments are the ones supporting the dickhead pResident. Same kind of people as him. Uglieness has always been around us and won't go away soon, it seems. To bad it's also running this country.
GWBushit is the Anti-christ. Death is his forte.

[JohnWxy]

122. Important post! thanks for alerting us.

[lonestarnot]

123. Just the remaining 15 supporters, don't worry about their brainless shit.

[Initech]

125. My god, these people are fucking sick.

What would Jesus do?

[Rocknrule]

141. Why, he'd rape torture and murder anyone who disagreed with him, of course

extreme :sarcasm:

[Initech]

143. What sucks is - this is the mentality we're dealing with

This is why I hate the GOP in general, and ESPECIALLY Bush supporters. It sucks that they have the "dissenters should be killed" mentality. These people should be locked up in mental hospitals, not dictating foreign and domestic policies.

[Bob K]

127. Man Alive!

I've never been moved as much by a video. I can only hope the Dub Club members have such images haunt their every waking and sleeping moment. In this life and the next.

this young lady deserves a medal - and I say that with every bit of sincerety.

may the flames of several hells lick up around the writhing souls of those who decry her right to speak her mind.

[mark11727]

135. If Mr Anonymous Wingnut tried anything like that with MY FAMILY...

...guaranteed, he'd be enjoying his steaks through a straw for the rest of his short miserable life.

I shit you not.

A line has ben crossed here, a very serious line, and threats will be met with force, without rancor or mercy. I hate bullies, and this deserves some serious action.

Turn these filthy emails over to the authorities, and let's see these so-called MEN explain their threats (sexual threats!) to a couple of FEDS who may have daughters of their own.

Somehow I think "I wuz just foolin'" isn't quite going to cut, it.

[Joe Chi Minh]

136. The Republicans have such class, don't they? Nothing surprises

any more. Not after the 2000 (s)election.

[2bfree]

137. Oh my...........

I just watched that video for the first time and tears are running down my face. Anyone who would not be moved by that video must not have a heart. :(

[chrisau214]

138. That's Very Powerful Stuff

The film is especially strong precisely because it does not criticize. It merely shows the honest and true results of war contrasted with what are supposed to be Christian values.

The reaction from some of the more brain dead conservatives is very telling. Guilty consciences perhaps?



Chris

[Buzz Clik]

155. Guilty consciences, indeed.

Anyone who reacts in anger at that film knows they are seeing the truth and can't handle it.

[padruig]

139. call her the 'little Patriot'

I've read the posts about the threats, watched her animation WWJD.

Ava represents what all children in this country should have and should be.

Smart, thoughtful and a bit fearless.

I hope I can raise my children to be just like her!

[The Wielding Truth]

162. Welcome,padruig! Your stand will help your children and mine

Ava has expressed the truth that BushCorp. has been trying to deny.

War is not healthy for children and other living creatures.
to overcome this mean and dangerous wave of ignorance.
These RW actions have been cultured through deceit and dismissal of
what I see as: Our American Moral Code.

WE are to work for peace and the betterment of mankind.
WE are to be stewards of the Earth and protect our survival on this planet by supporting the ecosystem that sustains us.
WE are to encourage and give support to individuals who need us.
WE are to do unto others, as we would have others do unto us.
WE are never to strike preemptively.
WE are not vigilantes who disregard the rights established in our constitution.

How can we be anything but ashamed of this administration for ignoring these commandments while using fear and ignorance to separate us from the realty of WAR?
Thank you,Ava for showing some of the horrible consequences of any war,let alone a manufactured one.

[APPLE314]

140. THE PERFECT RETORT

EXCUSE ME------ BUT, EVERYTIME THEY SAY FUCK YOU - TELL THEM THEIR MOUTH WILL GET SORE.

[davidthegnome]

145. Great work Ava

I wish those bastards would threaten ME. I wish they'd come pay me a visit. I can't think of anything I'd enjoy more than pounding the crap out of human filth like that. Well done, DU is honored to have you on board.

[happydreams]

146. Why pre-suppose that these responders were different people?

Or at least not part of an organized effort to spread hate? :shrug:

[redqueen]

150. Why go out of your way to find some way to make it appear

that there really aren't that many vile, vitriol-spewing righties?

Did you miss the whole Andy thing?

[happydreams]

153. I didn't say there weren't alot of them, but their coordinated attacks

on people who speak out like Ava are well documented.

[davidthegnome]

147. I'm really pissed

That these chumps are threatening a fifteen year old girl and getting away with it is ridiculous. It's worse than ridiculous, it's absolutely insane. These guys are nuts - do you have people around to protect you, Ava? I wouldn't be surprised at all if some of those lunatics are trying to track you down. Not trying to scare you, but make sure you lock your doors at night. I have a friend who does some activist work on the net, and three thugs busted down his door a couple months ago and beat the crap out of him. He was in the hospital for a week. Now he has a security system for his house, started lifting weights and practicing martial arts.

These creeps belong in prison. I just wish they'd threaten me instead, I'm a martial arts expert with PTSD. Come play, gentlemen.

[redqueen]

149. I wish I could say I was shocked...

Great work, Ava. Be proud. That reaction shows you have hit them where it hurts. They KNOW they're wrong... they just are too cowardly and ignorant and selfish and uncaring about other humans to admit it.

[RDU Socialist]

151. this is terrorism

by even the most conservative definition of the word, what these hick assholes are doing is terrorism...

[Buzz Clik]

154. My god that was powerful.

WWJD was truly amazing -- so simple yet so rich.

wow

[petermore]

156. This is OUTRAGEOUS! 14-Year-Old Shot Five Times, Survived

The monsters pretended to kill her after having declared her a "kari".

Karo kari is a tribal custom followed in Punjab and rural Sindh in Pakistan of honor killing of men and women who are accused of dishonoring their families.

KARACHI: Fourteen-year-old Noor Jehan has no regal airs despite her name, but for anyone who listens to her story, it will immediately become clear that she has risen like a phoenix from the flames after being shot five times and left for dead in a ditch near Baqai hospital.

The Gadap police had Noor Jehan admitted to Ward No. 26 at Jinnah Postgraduate Medical Centre on Monday after she underwent initial treatment for her gunshot wounds at Baqai hospital. She was shot in the arm, both legs and the stomach as a result of which her limbs were fractured and part of her intestine had to be removed. Amazingly, however, she was alert and lucid and extremely particular about the details of her experience with death.

---

Honour crimes are an archaic practice in Pakistan. Although precise figures are hard to obtain, especially for the more remote rural and tribal areas, Pakistan is thought to hold the world record in honour crimes.


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[lies and propaganda]

158. wtf is a chocoloate gulper?

thats my kind of slur, one that doesnt ,make a goddamn bit of sense. What Morans.

Congrats to this young lady, shes a 15 yr old DUer, these are the kids we need!

[graywarrior]

159. Happy to say I stand behind her every inch of the way

as do the rest of us at DU.

[PurpleChez]

160. Ava rokks!

And how horrifying to think that there are people out there who think it is their duty, as Christians and as Americans, to threaten to rape and murder a child, and to masturbate on her parents. MASTURBATE ON HER PARENTS???? What. The. Fuck????? I can't believe that our nation can produce people like this. It's great to see conservative values on display -- brutalize everyone who disagrees with you. THAT is the great conservative message, folks. Not fiscal responsibility. Not smaller government. DEATH.

[Rocknrule]

163. I know it's a tired theme of mine...

but this is why I consistantly compare conservatives to the Columbine killers. They are always ranting about how much they hate everyone and how everyone who isn't exactly like them deserves to die, plus they have an unhealthy obsession with violence and an "us vs. the rest of the world" mentality.

[PurpleChez]

166. I've never run into your comparison (of conservatives to the

Columbine killers), but it is incredibly apt. The modern, religious brand of conservatism is based on fear and paranoia. I think that, deep down, a lot of fundies realize that they are actually a minority and can only exercise power through manipulation.

[Rocknrule]

185. Also, many of the things in those boys' diaries sound very Freeperish

"I'm full of hate and I love it!"
"I am the law, if you don't like it, you die"
"Anything I don't like sucks"
"I hate the fucking world"
"All you (ethnic slurs and obscenities) better hide in your homes because I'm coming for EVERYONE now and I will be ARMED to the fucking TEETH and I WILL FUCKING KILL EVERYONE!!!"

Come to think of it, these things sound tame in comparison to the threats this girl got

[Texasgal]

161. Why?

Why are they doing this?

[Karenina]

180. This article explains A LOT OF IT!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x205781

Because Holloway is not around to make allegations, she can safely remain in the victim category. She is not challenging male authority, thus she is a "safe" victim. If she were alive and making allegations of a horrific experience at the hands of male attackers on the beach that night, Fox News would drop her like a whore with syphyllis. Natalee Holloway would become the issue to a much greater extent than she has so far -- what her sexual history was, what she told police and any inconsistencies that existed in her story, what kind of a woman goes to the beach with guys she doesn't know, and on and on -- and the white male suspects would become the victims.

There have been other cases of the strict father frame at work on Fox News. John Gibson's attack on CBS legal analyst Wendy Murphy on Wednesday (April 19, 2006) is one of them. His contempt for the victim was visceral. You could almost feel his outrage at the challenge to his authority as a strict father figure.

Which brings us back to Fox News' political agenda. Strong progressive women fall into the sexual deviant category not because of their sexual activity necessarily, but because of the threat they pose to the strict father paradigm. They are sexual deviants because they don't fit into the conservative frame of a family where the father rules without challenge. They must be attacked and destroyed unmercifully because every right-wing male knows that if Hillary Clinton is ever elected president, his authority within his own family is at risk -- or so he fears.

[FighttheFuture]

164. The sexual references betray their attiutides toward women...

in general and the specific threat they feel from Ava, a 15 year old girl! It drives them even battier! Par for the course with small minds and even smaller....!

[geniph]

165. Someone tell that whackjob Michelle Malkin

She claims that conservatives don't make violent threats against people, and when they do, other conservatives decry their tactics and "police their own."

Now, after you've picked yourself up off the floor where you were laughing your ass off, someone point out this particular example of conservative advocacy of violence AGAINST A 15-YEAR-OLD GIRL to that hypocritical, lying POS Malkin.

[President Kerry]

168. All those SOB's put together aren't worth your pinky fingernail, Ava.

You're a lot stronger than those chickenshits.

[iamahaingttta]

171. Almost makes me want to believe in Jesus!

Nah, not really!

That's a very powerful and heart-rending movie. No wonder the "religious" nutjobs who "supported" the war are angry. It makes them look like the hypocritical fools that they are. And from the mouths of babes!

[BlueStorm]

172. Very courageous of you Ava

though I don't know much about you...

I just watched your video and it certainly moved me to tears... Nobody really knows the realities of war and you just threw it in their faces.

I wish I had the creativity and brain power like you do.

Blue

[Iniquitous Bunny]

173. I guess REAL men start fights with teenaged girls now?

Fucking cowards. :thumbsdown:

[chill_wind]

174. FBI needs to investigate this hate group.

And that's what they are. In the meantime, some one needs to contact their internet service providers.

[B Calm]

175. A freeper this morning on C Span said liberals should have scissors

rammed into the back of their skulls...

[chill_wind]

176. Good grief!!

I've heard my share of lunacy on CSpan over time, but never caught anything quite that blatantly psycho. As the the noose tightens more and more on The Junta, the remaining koolaid bucket brigade seems to be getting uglier and scarier every day.

Cornered rats with rabies.

[Voltaire99]

178. "Get the fuck off of my HOMELAND," says the uber-American

"Homeland"--the rallying cry of right wing scum.

If one is ever elected again, the first thing a Democratic administration should do is abolish that department.

[genieroze]

183. * has a 32% approval rating whose the minority now?

I still think 32% is inflated.

[Rocknrule]

184. More like "Get the fuck out of my Fatherland"

[abester]

179. heartwarming....

these people make me feel ashamed of being a human being.