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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:11 PM
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To Freeps and Fundies: How can you give up founding principles...
for which this country was founded on in favor of christian ones?

You talk about your love for this country, but yet want to do away with the very essence of liberty. You can't have this both be a christian nation and the one the founding fathers created by way of the constitution.

The founding fathers knew religious freedom was essential as well as putting up the wall between that and the state. For if the state were to dictate christianity this nation would be no better than the one we broke away from.

Either you love this country and the constitution, which includes religious freedom, or you love a Taliban style of rule where your religion is governed by the state.

You can't have it both ways.
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:13 PM
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1. K&R
Great post!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:25 PM
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2. This country owes its very existence to The Roman Catholic Church
Edited on Tue Apr-25-06 04:27 PM by IanDB1
It was founded by Christians who fled Europe to escape The Catholic Church, and built on the backs of their dark-skinned slaves.

Matthew 10:24-25
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/10.html

Gawd Bless 'Merika!

(PS: Sorry about the smallpox blankets to our Native American friends.)


Throughout the gospels Jesus ignores countless opportunities to condemn slavery. Another good example is the parable of the ten pound (Luke 19:11-27). Here we read how while visiting at the house of Zacchaeus, the rich tax collector, Jesus ceases upon the opportunity to lecture us on the proper technique of profitable money investment. In verse 27 the greedy, wicked nobleman tells his slaves, "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." Instead of condemning such a display of wanton cruelty and intolerance as he should have Jesus simply ignores it and goes on with his money-saving lecture thereby passing up another opportunity to register his condemnation of slavery.
http://home.inu.net/skeptic/slavery.html

And what was the purpose of the First Amendment to the US Constitution? To over-turn the first four of The 10 Commandments!




Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html



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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:47 PM
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3. You are expecting freeps to know history
They don't. They don't know when "In God We Trust" came to be used on our currency. They don't know when "Under God" came into the pledge.

And I will be the first to admit that the electile dysfunction that happened in 2000 sent me to the history books so I could know for sure what I was talking about as some weird patriotic sensation took over me then.

I had no idea how much I loved this country until shit-for-brains came along.
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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:50 PM
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4. Uh, fundies don't practice Christian views. Jesus was a liberal.
I find very little that is truly Christian about the Republican party.
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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-25-06 04:50 PM
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5. Delete, dupe.
Edited on Tue Apr-25-06 04:51 PM by KyuzoGator
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