Concrete Wins:

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

1. Shrubco retreat on Social Security "reform".

2. DeLay withdrawal from office/reelection campaign.

3. Libby indictment and withdrawal from WH.


What else?

Not interested in anything, like poll numbers, that doesn't translate into an observable gain. Fall elections are chickens that have not yet hatched.

[rockymountaindem]

1. Continued stalling on ANWR drilling

They still haven't sunk those wells yet.

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. No WMD ever found in Iraq.

Jr skeerd to go to Crawford because Cindy will show up.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

4. No WMD found translates into things like bad poll numbers. If it led to

an impeachment I'd consider that concrete, but I look at it in the same category as poor poll numbers.

[The_Casual_Observer]

7. I don't know how much more soild and unmovable a fact

could ever be than that, sorry.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

11. Well if the Repubs lost congress due to no WMD then it would be a

big concrete win. As it is, it's a huge potent element in the loss of support for Bush (probably the main thing that really started the ball rolling, then Crawford and Katrina sealed it) but it doesn't DIRECTLY translate into seats, but it could INDIRECTLY translate into a lot.

It's like Cheney's shooting spree, on a much larger scale... causes many to have a much lower opinion of the guy, but unless it lead to his arrest and resignation in disgrace, I'd consider it an "intangible" as far as results.

I guess we just disagree, no prob.

[DanCa]

3. Isn't condi in trouble for something?

I thought I read somewhere that she was in legal trouble also but I don't know for what.

[shraby]

5. In that Aipac trial, the perps have stated that

Rice leaked classified info to them and that it happens all the time. Now she is bein subpoened to testify as to what she leaked to them.

[DanCa]

6. Thanks I think that I am on screw up fatigue

How much more can this administration possibly screw up? Don't tell me I stil got to sleep tonight:) :hug:

[rpgamerd00d]

8. "Duke" Cunningham, Jack Abramoff

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

9. Duke, certainly, and Jack too since he was a big part of the Repub

congressional money machine, and in addition appears to be leading to the downfall of multiple Repubs.

[lpbk2713]

10. The "Ports" Deal

That whole story seems to have been buried. What's the reason for that? Wasn't too long ago that was a hot topic. It seems to have been replaced with the illegal immigrant/border security non-issue. Did the RWers manipulate the MSM again?