Baptists: Plan exit from government schools

[MikeNearMcChord]

A group of Baptists activists who two years ago tried to get the Southern Baptist Convention to approve a resolution urging the faithful to pull their children out of government schools announced they are proposing a similar measure this year.

The new resolution, sponsored by Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee member Roger Moran and Dr. Bruce Shortt, urges churches to develop an "exit strategy" for removing their kids from public school.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49910

[rpgamerd00d]

1. Roger "Moran" ? OMFG, you can't make this stuff up.... :)

:rofl:

[bluestateguy]

2. We should welcome this and hold the door open for them

Fewer fundy kids and parents in the public school system is a good thing. That also makes it less likely that they will bother us about things like sex education, condoms in the schools and prayer in the schools.

Bye!!!

[MikeNearMcChord]

5. I wouldn't be surprised

if the scientific community, spear-headed the drive, the fundies can take their intelligent design too!

[Bridget Burke]

12. I'm sure the scientific community will be sad to see the kids go...

Some of them might have seen the light. Which is the main reason the SBC wants them out of the schools.

[Kerrytravelers]

20. I am more then happy to see them go. I'm a public school teacher.

In my area, we don't get too much of that, but we do have the "I pray; Get use to it" bumperstickers. :eyes:

I started another thread on a similar topic. I find myself growing increasinly tired of their attepmts to thwart the public school system. iIf it's not one thing, it's another. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1030694

[Jack from Charlotte]

24. You are so right. Buh-bye. So long... We can only hope the fundy-wingnuts.

will leave public education alone. But, I'm guessing they would just get the gov't to pay them for schooling there own kiddies.

[trogdor]

42. The next thing they'll want is exemption from school taxes.

These people are all about withdrawal from society, and they feel no obligation to it whatsoever. These are the same assholes who want to "invade" South Carolina to make it into some kind of theocracy - the Christian version of Iran or Saudi Arabia.

[Hubert Flottz]

3. WE, don't have any snakes for the kkkids to play with...

And THEY are pissed!

[knitter4democracy]

4. Well, the Baptist schools I've seen aren't that great.

So, where are the kids going to go?

I applied for teaching jobs everywhere after college, two of which were Baptist schools. Honestly, I was glad that I didn't have to teach there--horrible curriculum, weird politics, and seriously overworked teachers.

[seabeyond]

10. all private schools in this area religious. i had kids in 6 years

pre k to middle of 4th. pulled out becasue further they went, the more i saw lack in academic. i was paying for better academics. also was nov of 2004, we just couldnt stay after what we had experienced that spring. niece still in so i get lots of comfirmation i did good by my kids getting them in public

[knitter4democracy]

21. My hubby's parents sent their kids to a Baptist school.

The standards were at least a year behind the public schools.

My kids are in the local Catholic schools, but that's because I've taught in Catholic schools and really researched this one first. It's a good year ahead of the publics, and my daughter is making great progress. If she weren't, I'd yank her out in a second.

[Jack from Charlotte]

28. I've always thought Catholic were top notch academically...

People I met in college who went to Catholic high schools were very will educated, IMO. I am non Christian and attended public schools and went to a great high school but thought the Catholic schools taught very well.

[Bridget Burke]

29. Catholic schools actually teach Evolution.

Many of them are quite good.

[knitter4democracy]

40. It depends.

Some are great, but some aren't. One thing we found when I taught at the girls school (Beaumont rules!!!) was that the primary school needs to offer algebra in 8th grade. It means that they hire the right teachers for the middle school grades with 7-12 certification, even though they're more expensive.

[AnnInLa]

39. and the ones in our state

don't offer benefits....none have teachers who are organized and can bargain for their working rights. The teachers who teach private schools here are lined up for jobs in our public system.

[knitter4democracy]

41. Quite true.

I taught in a non-union private school. Never again.

[Charlie Brown]

6. Good.

Let them teach their children Intelligent Design, faith-healing, and the "christ-centric" constitution in their own homes or schools, and leave real education to serious educators and objective curriculum.

I feel bad for their children, but this is one plague they've brought on themselves.

[alfredo]

27. Remember, this move to Christian schools was brought on by

the end of segregation. They didn't want their kids mixing with blacks. No matter what reasons they give now doesn't change history.

[seabeyond]

7. fine, do it. my kids are out of district,kick ass school, lots of fundies

i am hoping and praying they get to stay in one more year nex year and then they are set in the school district. fundies go away will be plenty of room. right now, area growing fast.

wont hurt my feeling if they leave public

[smoochpooch]

8. Awesome, more money per student for those who remain

remember fundies, you will still have to pay taxes for my kids to go to the devil schools.

[atreides1]

22. Maybe Not

You have to know that if they accomplish this, the next thing on their agenda will be a campaign to allow them not to pay taxes for schools that their kids don't attend.

This will probably get a green light in most if not all Red States. All the parents have to do is to take part in the local politics, and get their chosen candidates into office.

[SharonAnn]

34. Part of funding is usually based on head count. It could actually be less

funding than before.

Fixed costs don't go down. Cost of building maintenance, heating, cooling, etc. won't change much. other types of overhead won't change much. Number of teachers may get cut to match smaller number of students. Number of books may get cut to match smaller number of students.

But, each student will carry a larger part of the overhead.

[Charlie Brown]

37. Does that mean we don't have to pay taxes for public transit

if we don't use them? Or libraries? Do christian science adherents deserve tax-exemptions from clinics and hospitals? Of course not. They have the option of taking advantage of these institutions, and that's what they're paying for.

[Bridget Burke]

9. "Government schools".....

Newspeak in action. With a Moran as a sponsor.

[DUHandle]

11. Did I miss something?

I didn't see any alternative to the public schools in article.

Is the plan to keep the children out of school entirely?

[Charlie Brown]

17. the Southern Baptists will all be shut-ins with no social skills

'cause that's what home-schooling tends to result in.

No offense to anyone here who home-schools, but I've met some very strange individuals who were the product of that system.

[Bridget Burke]

18. An earlier resolution said to "homeschool them or send them to ...

Christian schools."

Parents homeschool their kids for many reasons. And some Christian schools offer fine educations. But most of these kids would be better off in Public Schools.

[DUHandle]

26. Thank you both

I found the direction of the article very odd, since it was about pulling kids from schools and not making a pitch for home or private schools.

[Roland99]

13. Dr. Al Mohler...figures. What a NUTCASE!!

[Aristus]

14. Sheesh. If this goes through the way they want it, pretty soon,

every Baptist kid will have the education of the kid on the porch in "Deliverance". :eyes:

[SoCalDem]

15. Good riddance

Let them teach their own if a "rounded" education is not good enough. The sad thing is that the foundation of our public system was always to try to make sure that all kids had an education in COMMON.. Before public schools, education was catch as catch can and I guess that's the way the "new fundies" want it again. I feel sorry for their kids because they have no say in it.

One thing I want public schools to do though, is to try and make sure these same 'withdrawers" do not insist on USING the extra-curricular activities that the school offers.. This pisses me off to no end, when parents take their little darlings OUT, and then demand that their kids get re-included in sports & field trips.

[Warpy]

16. I don't know why the SBC ended up as such a luantic magnet

but recent votes have not gone the lunatics' way. They've been backing away from the fascist social agenda and much of the current Repuglican agenda.

It'll be interesting to watch their new convention.

[jwirr]

19. They want to raise kids with their head in the sand and their ass

in the air. This how they continue the lie of right wing republicanism. Our schools will be better off without them.

[noonwitch]

23. "Government schools"

You can always tell someone's political ideology if they refer to public schools as "government schools".

They are community schools. If parents attend PTA meetings, conferences, board meetings, they are participating in their kids' educations. My dad used to go to board meetings and advocated for better academic programs all the time.

They just don't want their kids going to schools that teach them to respect everyone. they want to be able to teach their kids to hate gays without anyone else presenting an opposing viewpoint. Which is their right, just don't expect me to pay for it. My taxes should support the community school district, not the baptist academy or any other private school.

[Bake]

25. My first reaction was "Good damn riddance!"

But on further reflection, I hate it that these children are going to be brainwashed and turned into little wingnut robots. The purpose of education is to teach kids to THINK, not to indoctrinate them. And these kids will be getting nothing but indoctrination, and we'll have a whole generation of ignoramuses on our hands: no science, no literature, no cultural awareness, and damn little historical literacy. And that's a damn shame.

I hope this bounces up and bites the parents good and hard in the ass.

Bake

[Bridget Burke]

30. It will be tough on the kids...

Some may grow up as "wingnut robots."

Others will find out about the world, anyway. And that will be tough on their parents.

[RaleighNCDUer]

32. It will probably wind up biting the kids.

As their curriculum drifts farther and farther from the mainstream, they will become less and less able to go to normal colleges, and that will make them less employable. The are going to create a seperate and unequal "religious" society that will stand apart from mainstream society, and which will be rife with resentment.

They are creating a Christian 'madrassas' system, for Christian fundamentalists, which will produce the same sort of violently self-righteous generation that the Saudi-backed madrassas did.

It will bite us all.

[Bake]

33. That's what worries me, it WILL bite us ALL.

You put it very well. When any part of our society is intentionally, even BLISSFULLY, ignorant, it works to the detriment of all of us.

Bake

[LynneSin]

31. Don't let the door hit your kids on the ass

And that means you take your fundie nut jobs off of the school board. You want to dumb down your kids - go for it. Let the rest of the kids get a real education

[northofdenali]

35. Can we pay them?

Jeez, they take your money for everything else!

[libnnc]

36. "Buh-bye..buuuh-bye..."

Watch your step, buh-bye.

Bon-voy-a-geee :hi:

[AnnInLa]

38. I would say "Buh-Bye" except for one thing

At least here in LA, we get funding for our school districts based on the number of students we have. Now, here in South Louisiana, we don't have a large Baptist population, but in North Louisiana, almost everyone is Baptist. I have noticed that if a family has a Special Needs child, that family is determined that their child receive a public education....that's where the services are for Special Education students. And, families that have an eye on their student getting an athletic scholarship also opt for public schools. Guess the faith of families with Special Ed children or athletes are not as strong???? lol