I'm already sick of all the glowing reviews of UNITED93

[Atman]

Hey, maybe it's a very well-crafted film and a compelling story. But what is driving me nuts is that in every review so far, the reviewers can't seem to avoid fawning over Greengrass's ability to have somehow known what really went on on that plane, even as they try to say "no one really knows what went on." Then they all add "but this perhaps the most accurate accounting we'll ever have." WTF? Who says? The FACT is, Greengrass MADE UP the entire thing based upon the same propaganda every single one of us read in our daily government news feeds, otherwise known as "newspapers" and "cable news."

This film really does a disservice to history, because its version of events will become history. Americans as a lot are not the brightest bulbs on the tree, and most will take this film as gospel because, well, it's shot like a documentary, and gosh, all the reviews say it's so accurate. But the film doesn't address the issues of the ability of cell phones to function at 500 mph, thousands of feet in the air, or debris scattered for miles and miles across the PA countryside. It only explores the mythology, and sets it up as historical fact.

Again, maybe it's a good film. But maybe it's also a totally bogus piece of passive propaganda, which will only serve to stop Americans from asking questions, and be used by those seeking tens of millions of dollars in government money we DON'T HAVE to convince lawmakers to buy 1200 acres of PA countryside for a memorial.

I'll watch it on cable, but unlike Roper and Ebert and every other film critic out there, I hardly think its "unmissable." Just watch me miss it faster than you can say "Let's roll!"

[liberal N proud]

1. They could have titled the movie - The passion of 9/11

[babylonsister]

2. Ouch!

:thumbsup:

[jdelullo]

103. I agree

Same people. I know what happened to Jesus the same way I know what happened on 9/11. I don't need a movie to remind me.

[Junkdrawer]

3. Someday it will be a cult classic on college campuses...

Aside from that...

[NavyDavy]

4. yeah, I have no desire to waste 20 dollars to see the movie! that

not including the gas it would take me to drive to the theater

[tomp]

5. agreed nt

[texasleo]

6. I'll watch

Did anyone see Howard?

He said that he was outraged that the person behind 9-11 has not been caught.

He seems to be the only one.

:(

[holboz]

7. Count me in, too.

I wonder if Lisa Beamer is getting any extra money for this film? Although I give her my strongest condolences for the loss of her husband, her profiteering from her husband's death really left a bad taste in my mouth. It didn't take long for her to write a book, did it? Everytime I hear "Let's roll" I cringe.

[Ignacio Upton]

16. Yeah, I thought the idea of trademarking that was stupid

Some (emphasis on some, to differentiate from the great work that people like Kristin Breitweiser are doing in fighting for the truth of what happened) of the 9/11 family groups have rubbed me the wrong way. If you have been following the WTC rebuilding process for the past four and a half years like I have, then you'll understand. They've been making one ridiculous demand after another for the memorial space. For example, they have tried to get the Port Authority to move the tracks for the PATH commuter rail that have run under the footprint of the south tower since before 9/11...all because they argue that the footprints of the towers are literal "sacred ground" since the largest quantity of human remains were found there. I've met a few residents from nearby neighborhoods online who are pissed off at them too.

[treestar]

18. I know where you're coming from - there is no end to the attention

some people need and they will use anything to get it. Being a survivor of a 911 victim is like winning the lottery.

And these people are still alive, too. We have no idea what the actual deceased would have thought.

[Ignacio Upton]

21. I feel sorry for most 9/11 victims and families and they will always have

my sympathy, but compared to the families of soldiers killed in Iraq, or families and victims of Katrina, they have gotten A LOT more help and sympathy, especially in the fact that they got a lot from financial compensation, while the government is treating those hurt by Katrina like shit.

[Dorian Gray]

74. Wow...

"Being a survivor of a 911 victim is like winning the lottery."

Somebody actually wrote that in a sentence here... on DU.

That is one of the most uncaring things I have ever read. Like losing a loved one is "winning the lottery!" I'll be sure to tell my friends who lost their husbands that! :eyes:

[treestar]

96. If you're going to deliberately misunderstand me, there's

nothing I can do, is there?

What do I owe these people? My freedoms? My money? They're dead. And how do you know they would have supported anything done in their name, either?

It is true I don't care about you and your friends, I care about me and my friends. And I do not believe for a second you care about me and my friends, either. That's how everybody is.

I repeat the real victims are dead. So nothing can be done for them.

Also on an internet board you can claim to be friends with a 911 victim, but we don't have to believe you. You're trying to introduce emotionalism to avoid arguing a point you don't have any real opposition for.

[bigscott]

24. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I cannot stand that woman - i feel for her loss as well but when she took her 2 million dollars and started campaigning for * I lost all my symapthy for her - Let's Roll indeed, thank you mrs beamer for helping put the man responsible for your husbands death back in the white house

[slaveplanet]

30. They just had todd Beamer's

Father on local TV, He was saying the movie is the TRUTH, and it represents the FIRST counterattack in this WAR.

BOTH PROVABLE LIES.

the propaganda machine is on full blast, they've puked out all the stops on this one.

What about the counterattacks after the Cole? What about the fact that our troops were massed, warships in position, orders on the president's desk prior to 9/11?

These creatures have no limits to their bullshit.

[Marnieworld]

38. Didn't the war start in 93?

With the first WTC bombing? Or wait maybe in the 80s when the marine barracks were bombed in Lebanon? Or was it started with the Iranian hostage crisis? What morans! This isn't a war and if it is it started way before then. To bang on a cockpit door is hardly a counterattack. Shooting the plane down is. Which was it?

[enigma000]

75. What counterattacks after the Cole? n/t

[slaveplanet]

80. The attack on Zhawar Kili camp

was the one I meant, that happened before the cole, mea culpa.
Clinton and the CIA were however, running a series of 15 predator flights over Afghanistan (one of which identified a tall arab believed to be OBL) in late 2000 in attempts to target Bin Laden, then the election happened, then Bushco happened.

and as Marnieworld states, this so-called war, attacks and counter-actions can be traced much further back in time.

[MADem]

35. I saw a documentary on HBO about this pathetic old guy who

used to go to raves and ingested a massive amount of Ecstasy with teenagers, and even his kid. He was the personification of a stupid, pathetic, loser. He used that phrase "Let's roll" to describe using the drug...the thing was filmed way before 9-11, I think.....

[Marnieworld]

39. That was such a great documentary

What was it called? I saved it forever for my husband to watch but finally I just deleted it. It was so sad to see the children have to interact with their dad while he was messed up. It was so sick when he got high with his kids. So sad. I love HBO.

[MADem]

63. SMALL TOWN ECSTASY-part of the AMERICA UNDERCOVER series

of documentaries.

[novalib]

46. I Saw that Special, Too.

I have the same reaction whenever I hear "Let's Roll".

[MADem]

64. Glad I'm not the only one who picked up on it!!!

The phrase has always jarred me, because of that program...

[uppityperson]

73. ruined that phrase for me too.

wince

[bumblebee1]

100. You know, I had the same feeling too.

I was under the impression that Lisa Beamer was making a whole lot of money off her husband's death. Shortly after 9/11 happened, my sister and I were talking about the tax breaks that were proposed for the surviving family members. My sister had said, "I'm sorry that they lost their family members during the attack. As for the tax breaks, I'm against that. If you or I lost our husbands this year, we'd still have to pay taxes. No one will give us a tax break."

[treestar]

8. The sheep are sheep and if they emotionally want to believe

it, they will. This is true on any level. They still go around saying Saddam must be hiding his WMD in Syria, because they cannot accept being wrong, ever.

Everything in that film is what they already believed, anyway, because they wanted to.

[ComerPerro]

37. Well, that is true, but the OP is right to say that we don't need

reviewers and critics treating it like everything in the movie is literal fact

[Marnieworld]

9. Bravo

I haven't seen it and I probably won't for the very reasons that you stated. I think that the "official" story of Flt 93 is more bullshit than truth. This movie feels like propaganda. I think any film is still too soon for everyone who is still recovering from it. It's fiction but they are pretending it's truth. According to the 9-11 report the passengers never made it into the cockpit but we are supposed to believe that the pilots crashed on purpose just because they were trying? That doesn't make sense to me. A shoot down would have been appropriate under the circumstances and America would have accepted it. They didn't even need to lie. It would have been the only time that day our defense system would have worked and yet they'd rather come up with this fantasy?
Even the commercials make me sick and no amount of reviews will change my mind on this one.

[CrispyQ]

22. "This movie feels like propaganda. "

Ditto.

[novalib]

47. "The Movie Feels Like Propoganda"

Because it IS propoganda.

Pure and simple. Propoganda that is purposely engineered to elicit certain emotional responses in people.

It is NOT TRUE!!!

[Protagoras]

56. But but but..

oh wait, you are right. Maybe they can double bill it with Mel Gibson's "The Patriot" at the local drive in.

[novalib]

66. "Triumph of the Will"

Good suggestionv about teaming Flight 93 up with Mel GIbson's "Patriot".

Better yet -- a whole "Film Festival" -- featuring Flight 93, Triumph of the Will, and Patriot.

We could call it "Patriot Propoganda on Parade!"

[shifting_sands]

10. ME TOO

It isn't anything new for Hollywood, take an event, any event and they "invent" around it. A huge proportion of Americans get their knowledge (or lack thereof) of history, including the bible from these made up stories around past events. No one knows what happened on flight 93, or when Joan of Arc was burned at the stake or at the Crucifixion of christ, or at the Little Big Horn and the list goes on and on.

The throat grabbing, tear jerking of the people posting "you have to see this film" have saddened me. Unfortunately this is why we the people don't really stand up and demand the truth of what's going on in this country, we ourselves don't know the truth and we are accustomed to trading facts for fiction in our own lives, we hardly have the discrimination to recognize the truth from the lie because the lie is packaged so prettily in America.

[CrispyQ]

25. "Eventions"

Invented events.

Spot on observation about how & where Americans get their knowledge. "Trading fact for fiction." :banghead:

[loveandlight]

11. I agreed whole heartedly...

If the ad comes on tv, I turn it off immediately, if it is on the radio, I switch the station. It is so much hype, just more 9/11 crap. No one knows what happened on that plane. We don't even know if it wasn't really shot down by our own military. we will never know the real story behind that plane, and possibly behind anything that happened on that day. It's all fake heroic bullshit. I can't stand one more minute of it!!!

[treestar]

17. And they are still milking it five friggin' years later!

Just. get. over. it.

Two wars, way more than 3500 Arab Muslims killed (got their blood lust out), plenty of incursions on the pesky Bill of Rights - will they ever be satisfied?

[Digit]

20. Same here, I block it however I can

I am keeping my remote extra closeby lately.

[kurth]

12. Yep, a TRUE story based on EYEWITNESS accounts!!

Where's Osama?

[Nordmadr]

13. They were talking about the movie on the radio station

my wife listens to while she gets ready for work. One ofthe hosts stated, and I paraphrase, that "He thought people should go see the move becasue he thinks alot of people have forgotten why we are at war". After my heart attack subsided and my blood pressure returned to normal I asked my wife what station that was. WYYY 94.5 FM out of Syracuse. One less station that will have me tuned in.

I would really like to call that host and ask him, "So Mr. Uninformed f*cking ditto head, why exactly are we at war"?; and then let him have it.


Oh yeah, of course, a Clear Channel Station.

Olafr

[Nordmadr]

27. Ok, I am having a really pissed off day. So I tracked down the email for

the radio host and emailed him.

Mr. Gary,

Your station was turned on in my house this morning as I prepared for work. I wasn’t paying close attention until I heard the discussion on the Flight 93 movie. When you, or someone else on the show mentioned, and I paraphrase, “That I think people should see this movie because I think many people have forgotten why we are at war”. Now this statement simply boggles the brain. I would like to request some clarification. It seems to me, and I am making some assumptions here, that you are relating the terrorist attack of 911 with the ongoing war in Iraq; and well Mr. Gary, that would mean you are either dishonest, or yourself, uninformed. Let me be clear. Iraq did not attack us on 911. While it may be true that folks may be confused as to why we are at war; that is due to the ever changing rationale that has been used to put us there.

You should take care before spreading any non-factually based insinuations on your show especially when it comes to such a controversial and emotional issue.

Thank you.

{Olafr}

Persian Gulf Veteran
NYS Army National Guard
United States Navy

[Marnieworld]

40. Satelite radio

I have sirius but get XM if you want. You will be so much happier without broadcast radio. I never ever miss it ever. :hi:

[Nordmadr]

78. I almost never listen to the radio anymore anyway. I love music

but have an increasingly difficult time being innundated with the same music over and over again, the constant advertising, and the usual dribble that comes out of the mouthes of the hosts.

I have an IPOD that I use now, but my wife listens ot the radio in the morning; particularly during the winter months. She is a teacher and prays for snow days! ;)

Personally, I am trying to not have to rely on too many more monthly pay services.

Ahhh...dreaming of the simple life.

Olafr

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. PROPAGANDA. What I don't understand is why Majority Report

had one of the actors on as a guest last night. Why did they do that? It only furthers the repuke propaganda bullshit that surrounds 911. JANEANE GARAFOLO was so EXCITED about the movie.:crazy:

Unfortunately, we're going to have a TON of bullshit PROPAGANDA from now until November 2008.

[treestar]

15. It will never last that long - the attention span of the American

public is way too short. They'll have to come up with something else.

[NYCGirl]

23. Does this sound like WH propaganda? From Roger Ebert:

As the outline of events come into focus, there is attempt to coordinate civilian and military authorities. It is doomed to fail. A liaison post is not staffed. Two jet fighters are sent up to intercept a hijacked plane, but they are not armed; there is discussion of having the fighters ram the jets as their pilots eject. A few other fighters are scrambled, but inexplicably fly east, over the ocean. Military commanders try again and again, with increasing urgency, to get presidential authorization to use force against civilian aircraft. An unbearable period of time passes, with no response.

"United 93" simply includes this in the flow of events, without comment. Many people seeing the film will remember the scene in "Fahrenheit 9/11" in which President George W. Bush sat immobile in a children's classroom in Florida for seven minutes after being informed of the attack on the WTC. What was he waiting for? Was he ever informed of the military request? The movie does not know, because the people on the screen do not have the opportunity of hindsight.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060427/REVIEWS/60419006

[Gregorian]

19. The history books still teach kids that Columbus discovered America.

Manufacturing history is as old as the first lie.

I saw that united93 ad and said, pile it higher. Then turned the channel to LINKTV. Everyone should be supporting LinkTV. They air Democracy Now every day. I swear, watching Amy Goodman doing a half hour of fund raising is enlightening, as odd as that sounds. I guess when you compare the drivel that comes out of the mouths of most people on tv, it's not odd.

[chat_noir]

26. Hollywood's 9/11Propaganda Docudrama

Ultimately, "United 93" is a regurgitation of suspicious media-fueled speculation about events on an airplane that we know very little about. This is a movie that does more to discourage raising questions about what really happened to flight 93 than it does to encourage debate over the bastion of lies that have been fed to the American people.

It is an interesting footnote that United flight 93 was not scheduled to fly on 9/11, and that the plane (tail number N5IUA) was spotted by United Airline’s employee David Friedman on April 10, 2003 at Chicago’s O’Hare Airport, and that the plane is listed as still valid with the FAA. Dylan Avery provided essential information used in this article in his documentary "9/11 Loose Change."


http://filmcritic1963.typepad.com/reviews/2006/04/united_93_.html

[RaleighNCDUer]

43. Propaganda Docudrama -- Propudrama

I particularly like how they say the passangers saved the Capitol.

I'm sure while someone was on the phone up there, the plane's speaker came on:

"Uh, good morning, this is your terrorist speaking. We will be flying at 10,000 feet, meandering across northeast, until we dive into the US Capitol Building. Enjoy your flight."

:shrug:

There's no way of knowing just what their target was, since we shot it down before it got there.

[Atman]

49. That is another aspect mentioned in the reviews...

They all repeat that we don't know where that plane was headed, but "surely" it was the White House or Congress.

SURELY? But how can you say "we don't know where the plane was headed," but then state unequivicalloy that you know the passengers stopped an attack on the capitol? That is SURELY speculation. And it doesn't seem to have any place in a review of the film.

The FACT is, these passenger were not trying to protect America or the president. They were doing what ANYONE would do in such a situation...they were trying to save their own lives. Period. Look at it this way...you're on a boat that capsizes. You're stuck in a cabin that is rapidly filling with water. What is your first thought? To find your way to the captains quarters in order to make sure he's not drowning? Or save your ass? This "trying to protect the capitol" nonsense is pure mythology.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

57. Well, I'm sure if they torture everyone in Gitmo long enough, they can

sort through the various answers given ("White House", "Congress" etc.) and decide which was the target. :sarcasm:

[Marnieworld]

50. yes that line drove me nuts

Save the capital? We don't know where it was headed and on that day they told us it was the White House. It's all so infuriating. :grr:

[stray cat]

28. I'll judge the film after I see it

[Balbus]

31. How dare you!!!!

Such a reasonable form of action is so unDUish..

[Atman]

34. Uh, funny. But my comment was about the REVIEWS, not the film.

:shrug: In fact, I commented that the film might be just swell, by golly!

Staying on topic...such a reasonable form of action is so unDUish!

[Balbus]

87. Then laugh if it's funny.

You have that stick in there a little tight today.

[Touchdown]

33. Me too.

How do I know it's propaganda until I see it. I'm not so afraid of getting my mind warped. I trust my judgement better than that.

[Balbus]

42. Another boat-rocker...

Atman said it's propoganda so it HAS TO BE propoganda. Don't see it - just know it!!

[Atman]

45. Balbus lies, so therefore Balbus is what?

A...a...I won't say it. Don't want to be accused of "calling out another DUer." But you ARE lying. Atman did NOT say it is propaganda. Atman said it is likely a good film. Atman said "MAYBE" it is propaganda.

Atman's post was about the REVIEWS of the film. But Balbus decided it was served his purposes better to bust on Atman and ignore the actual posts he was responding to.

[Touchdown]

52. Ohhh' Third person talking.

It's always fun.

"Jimmy shoots. Jimmy scores! Jimmy slides to the side. OOPS! Jimmy's DOWN!
Jimmy's shy, but Jimmy really likes Elaine, and Jimmy would like to take Elaine to dinner." -Seinfeld

No criticism, just haveing fun.:hi:

[Atman]

54. LOL! Atman enjoyed it!

:hi:

[Balbus]

86. Is what? Why are you scared to say it?

Does a person's sexuality make you uncomfortable?

[Atman]

89. WOW!

No...I was going to say you are a liar. I could give a damn about your sexuality! But I can't stand liars.

[pointblank]

44. As will I

I am intrigued by this movie.

I feel I am strong enough in my convictions that the war we are involved in right now is the wrong one and I will see this movie solely for personal reasons.

9/11 hit me hard emotionally...I want to make up my own mind on this one.

[Jazz2006]

58. Me, too.

It's opening in my city today and I plan to see it tonight.

[alarimer]

29. I am really, really hoping it bombs

If I wanted to watch propaganda, I'd turn on Fox News or White House press conferences.

[MADem]

32. I heard one guy, from NEWSWEEK, I think, say it made him uncomfortable

and that he wouldn't have seen it unless he'd been ordered to so do, as part of his assignment covering the whole WTC/911 business. He said that it was done in documentary style, was very "careful" in its exposition, and that the director did a good job given those constraints.

It wasn't glowing, his assessment, by any stretch. It solidified my decision to "give it a miss."

[dogday]

36. I posted this thread this am

talking about how the Universal Studio's message boards for Flight 93 were somehow deleted.. Looks like there have been some dissenting opinions...


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1046646&mesg_id=1046646

[SaveElmer]

41. I do not believe this is propaganda...

And I do believe that the events as evidenced by the transcripts of the black box conversations, and the confirmation of that fact by the families of the passengers who heard the tapes, confirm the passengers on that flight tried to take over the plane, and in so doing, prevented loss of life on the ground...

Paul Greengrass (Bourne Supremacy) is not a right wing stooge, but a very good director, and socialist to boot I believe, who has no political agenda I can see.

Fact is, the people on that flight were heroes and I do not think it furthers the Bush agenda to say so.

I won't be seeing the movie, not because I believe it helps Bush to see it, or because I don't think it is a well made film...but because it just seems too soon and too fresh in my mind to want to go through that story again.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

51. Believe what you want to believe, but that film....

...reeks of the strong stench of propaganda.

The director used the information he was given by the NeoCon Junta to make the film. The families and friends of the victims have been given information by the same source.

Based on the track record of the NeoCon Junta for truthfulness, I think it's more than fair to question the veracity of the official story-line of Flight 93.

[CanuckAmok]

65. I have no opinion on the movie, but Greengrass....

I'm in the film business, and I know first-hand how little directors influence the actual production of a project. Greengrass answers to producers, who answer to studio, who answers to network/distributor, who answers to the shareholders.

Any script that's going to be produced passes through so many hands before it's even "greenlighted". And even when it's in production, the shot footage is sent to studio and network for review on a daily basis.

At Greengrass' level of direction, all he is there to do is interact with the performers and get them to deliver their lines the way he wants, to set-up the composition of each shot, and to get "X" number of scenes completed per day, in order to stay within budget. After the shoot wraps, he will oversee editing and cut the movie the way he wants, but generally speaking his cut is not the final one.

He has virtually no control over the content of what he's directing.

[NYCGirl]

67. He also wrote it. NT

[SaveElmer]

71. However...

If he believed the story was propaganda, or was personally opposed to the way something was presented to him, he is certainly free to not be involved. He isn't an automoton.

[Dorian Gray]

77. Didn't he write the script as well?

And doesn't he have to right to NOT sign onto a project that he would believe to be right wing propoganda?

Personally, I won't see this film because when I saw the ads for it I broke down crying. But, I don't think it was written and produced by the Bush admin, either. It's not evil.

[slaveplanet]

81. I'm taking issue with

the reviews and the media blitz (which heavily includes family members of victims) which most certainly is propaganda, much more so than the film itself.

Local tv news will never put a strong dissenting viewers on air, as they do with their steady supply of positive post theater interviews. It would be considered too unpatriotic for them to do that and they'd never want to deal with the backlash. The most they'll do is say that many think it's too early for this subject matter.

[SaveElmer]

83. Well by that definition...

Every movie opening is propaganda....

I have seen very good reviews of the movie from well known liberal movie critics...

Might just be a good movie...and I certainly do not blame the family members for wanting to publicize the heroism of their loved ones...

My point is that this movie is not some weird attempt by the Bushies and their allies in Hollywood (do they have any?), to move the focus from Iraq.

[slaveplanet]

85. fair enough

maybe it's not technically propaganda.

but the group I saw seemed hand picked and filled with misinfo, and there are flt 93 victim families that are in the skeptics camp, but you will not see them in any of the PAID media tours, using words like "it's about time it was chronicled", "The truth", "historical", "matter of record", "We need to rembember how this war started".

Whether the downing of flt 93 was the result of heroic action, remote override, a missle, suicidal deathwish of hijackers, or even forced malfunction...Is, in my view, still undetermined at this point.

All I know is those people were murdered. And there have been lots of lies, version changes, and general uncertainty as to how it really went down.

[SaveElmer]

95. Two points...

This a movie..designed to make money. You can hardly expect the studios to pay to have people bad mouth it.

Second, we know the passengers were murdered, we know the plane was hijacked, and we have overwhelming evidence that the passengers tried to take over the plane and thwarted attempts to crash it into a building (presumably the Capitol or White House).

In my opinion, the physical evidence strongly indicates the plane was neither shot out of the sky or exploded. The debris field is simply too small, and the deep hole created on impact indicates a fairly intact fuselage.

Airplanes are made from aluminum and light composite materiels. If it had been shot out of the sky or exploded, debris would have been strewn for miles. In fact the debris field was fairly small. And the whole created was deep but narrow, indicating a single primary point of impact.

[Telly Savalas]

97. It's about 9/11, therefore it must be propaganda.

If you watch it, you will leave the theatre convinced that Bush is the second coming of Christ and that we must invade Iran.

Any attempt at documenting the events on that flight will inevitably support every single action that Bush has taken in the last 4.5 years, so how can it not be propaganda?

[librechik]

48. one good thing--Bush was on a different plane

presumably, no adoring halo shots as he considers which heroic action to pass up, like that other one.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

60. He had been up on AFO for about 10 minutes when 93 reportedly went down

Don't worry though..he did have a photo-op on board. Those pics were then given as a perk at a GOP fundraiser.

PS... curious thing about him being in the air then. He had NO jet escort for between 45 minutes to an hour before he landed in Louisiana.

[Atman]

61. They were all busy protecting the president

Bush is dispensable. Cheney was well protected, though.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

70. Did you mean "They were all busy protecting the president of Vice?"

and not the Shrub??? ;)

[stanwyck]

72. How is Bush treated in the film? Does it show

him sitting in a classroom staring into space? Desperately fleeing to safety? Disapearing from view while the nation is floundering?
Just wondering.

[NYCGirl]

76. Doesn't show him at all, but it does mention his absence:

As the camera whips from one location to the next, a few faces come sharply into focus, in particular that of Ben Sliney, the operations manager who was actually running the F.A.A. command center the morning of Sept. 11. Mr. Sliney is one of nine F.A.A. and military personnel who play themselves; you only have to hear Maj. James Fox, from the Northeast Air Defense Sector, ask where the president and vice president are to understand why.

"United 93" is a sober reminder of the breakdown in leadership on the morning of Sept. 11. Unlike Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11," the film doesn't get into the whereabouts of the president that day, or why Osama bin Laden ordered the attack; its focus is purposely narrow.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/28/movies/28unit.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=1&adxnnlx=1146250808-Pi7Uz6+CX08cuRtNmZZBXA

[stanwyck]

79. Thanks, Girl n/t

[NYC Liberal]

102. Several times in the movie you hear them saying

"WHERE is the president?" and "How long is it gonna take to get the president?" You could tell that he couldn't be reached.

[nonconformist]

53. I'm reserving judgment until I see the film

I've seen reviews that have said it underscores the inaction by the government that day, so I'm keeping an open mind.

[Jazz2006]

59. Yes, and there are many reviews at

the Rotten Tomatoes site that make similar observations.

Thus, I will keep an open mind and judge it for myself.

[RaleighNCDUer]

62. "underscores the inaction by the government..."

Which undercuts all other explanations -- a series of unhappy coincidences that culminated in disaster, or a series of specific decisions that culminated in disaster.

No mention of the debris field afterward which suggests it was blown up in flight, rather than nosed into the ground as the movie claims - whether by being shot down or destroyed by a terrorist bomb. If by a bomb, how did the bomb get past security?

"Government inaction", while reprehensible, is better for the government than LIHOP.

It's propaganda, supporting the government story of what happened.

[dysfunctional press]

55. unless they show it being shot down by f-16's...

there's no compelling reason to see it.

btw- i feel that they did the absolute correct thing in shooting down that plane- i just wish that they'd cop to it...i wonder if the truth will ever come out...if there's a civilization left to have a history of after global warming has runit's course.

[Left Coast Lynn]

68. CAN WE DU THE UNIVERSAL FORUM ???

I don't know how to start a thread here. The Universal forum could use some DUers in there with the truth!

http://www.universalpictures.com/forum/index.php

[Left Coast Lynn]

69. kick

:)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

82. It's A Movie. It Isn't Being Called A Documentary. It Is Just Simply A

movie.

Movies probably shouldn't be taken so seriously. (Such as thinking a movie has the power to "stop americans from asking questions", which I found to be a pretty humorous sentiment)

[Atman]

90. Except for that its "documentary style" is prominently touted

in most of the reviews I've read. So, it may not BE a documentary...nor was Spinal Tap. But at least Spinal Tap was over the top in its parody, so you KNEW you were being duped.

[GoneOffShore]

91. Hollywood! Wonderful Hollywood!

Every day passes with unanswered questions that stagnate my very existence. Much like life itself.
That is why it is about the journey, not the prize.
Oh, wait, are we just making movies?... I forgot…

The only subject matter in Hollywood is Hollywood. You want cancer? Go West! Hollywood is the body eating itself!
Solon Burry

[Ekirh]

84. Ehhh I'll Probably see it . .

Being the movie hound I can be. I was going to see it and Thank you for Smoking this weekend but now that I've been called in for overtime I think I'm going to make it a one movie day. Thank you for Smoking I believe is going to win out so I'll give United 93 it's chance at another time.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

88. Richard Roeper gave "American Dreamz" a thumbs down...

because it was mean to "our president."

As long as critics are under pressure to give it a good review, I couldn't care what a critic has to say about this movie.

[bluestateguy]

92. Have you seen it yet?

I intend to do so next weekend. Until then, I am holding back any comments about the movie. I am uncomfortable with trashing a movie that I have not seen yet. It reminds me of the organized attack on F. 9/11.

[Atman]

93. Blue State Guy, I DID NOT TRASH THE MOVIE

Sorry for yelling, but maybe that comes from watching a thread like this grow to over ninety posts, and yet so many people still don't seem to have read what I wrote. Not only DIDN'T I trash the movie, I said it might actually be pretty good. I've heard lots of good reviews of it. But I have a problem with glowing reviews telling me about how ACCURATE the movie is, when neither Greengrass or any reviewer has anything more to go on than the "official" version of events we've ALL been told. But I sure didn't trash the movie.

[question everything]

94. Some of it IS history

From the WSJ review:

Yet "United 93" is more than a movie. For those who haven't perused the 9/11 commission report, and that includes most of us, Mr. Greengrass's film will serve as a teaching tool, just as "Saving Private Ryan" brought young Americans to a new awareness of World War II. The picture it paints is one of terrifying disorganization. Civilian controllers can't communicate with the military. The Air Force is unprepared, with no more than four interceptors ready to protect the Eastern seaboard, no authority to scramble them, no rules of engagement and no one at the highest reaches of government available to provide them with sufficient swiftness.

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[shance]

98. The real truth is coming out about 9-11. Hence, the propaganda, Flight 93

Why was no fuselage, nor one trace of blood found at the "scene" of Flight 93?

Is Flight 93 a big fallacy like the movie? Im beginning to wonder.

Most Americans want is less tinsel and more truth.

If your family members were killed, you would want to know who was the real perpretator, wouldn't you?

The people that were murdered on September 11th, potentially by those using our own American government, deserve to get the truth not exploited by Washington and Hollywood, but told straight and honestly.

[jdelullo]

99. I'll be able to tell next Thursday

Every Thursday my paper runs a huge entertainment section, and my old English teacher writes movie reviews. He went to see United 93 yesterday, and probably wrote a review. Now, from what I know of my ex-teacher, he's an uber-fundy. Hates gays, (although his son is flaming and he won't even acknowledge it), doesn't like evolution or abortion, is all for prayer in school, etc. So his review is probably going to be asanine. But it will give me a laugh.

[fudge stripe cookays]

101. The movie is on A & E right now!

I was freaked out flipping channels, but for some reason it's on TV and in the theaters.

I'm only watching to see for myself, and not pay for it.

[nsd]

104. That's a different movie.

A&E has a made-for-TV movie called "Flight 93", which is what you're watching. There's also a Hollywood movie called "United 93", which is what this discussion is about.

[fudge stripe cookays]

105. I was wondering!

I didn't know there were 2.

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