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AGENDA21 Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 08:59 AM
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Internet shut-down in two to four days during flu pandemic
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Telephone and Internet services could be overwhelmed and shut down in the early stages of a bird flu pandemic as people panic and try to work from home, according to a report released on Thursday.

Businesses need to think of other ways to keep going as governments close schools and direct people to stay home, management consulting firm Booz Allen Hamilton reported.

The company issued the report based on a exercise conducted at the World Economic Forum in January, involving 30 chief executive officers of companies, government ministers, and senior officials of the United Nations.

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"Telecommunications (phone and Internet) will likely be overwhelmed early in a pandemic, with experts predicting shut-downs in two to four days, meaning that telecommuting will not be viable and alternative communications need to be explored," the report read.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-04-27T195935Z_01_N27185766_RTRUKOC_0_US-BIRDFLU-TELECOMMUNICATIONS.xml
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:02 AM
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1. The internet is designed to survive a nuclear war but not the bird flu?
I wonder why that is?

Don
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:35 AM
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21. Just like phone lines get overloaded when there is a disaster
Please read the beginning of the article again - it says "Telephone and Internet", not just internet. Whenever there's a disaster, the first thing they say on radio and tv is not to overwhelm the phone system so that emergency calls can get through:
To help the communication system work during an emergency:
1. Do not make unnecessary phone calls. They will only add calls to an overloaded system and may prevent emergency calls from getting through.
http://www.portlandonline.com/index.cfm?&a=9397&c=chfec


Also see my post: "The technical term is 'oversubscribe'"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1041517&mesg_id=1041735
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:02 AM
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2. Tinfoil hat alert...
:tinfoilhat:

I don't care who they are, it sounds stupid.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:03 AM
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4. So when do they intend to announce the pandemic
Is November the planned date?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:07 AM
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11. Right on target.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:03 AM
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3. we can learn from obl--and how he gets his messages out.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:03 AM
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5. Of for God sake, where did this idea come from?
Are they really insinuating that those same people don't use the net when they're in their office?

I guess I can see some select regions having a bit slower net response during very heavy usage, but SHUT DOWN?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:04 AM
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6. Purely Speculative Panic-Mongering, Sir
Neither a fact nor even a likelihood as a prediction. This much touted affliction will not even be noticed among the normal flu statistics should it ever actually break into the human populace.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:05 AM
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7. Heh heh! Yeah. I'll shut the internets down. Heh heh.
Then I can get a head start on my next evil plan without those moon bats talking it up and spreading the word. heh.


I just don't buy it. Anyone who is using the internet for email and research at work will be doing that from home... so what? There aren't more people doing it all of a sudden! Same number of people and same amount of internet traffic.

Nope. Not buying it.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:06 AM
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8. ah computers do not get sick.
Just saying
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:07 AM
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12. But the people who run the computers DO GET SICK. just saying. nt
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:06 AM
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9. Gee, when I fly into a PANIC, the FIRST THING I want to do is....
...work from home?????
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:38 AM
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23. I already work from home
so wheh I fly into a panic I go shopping.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:40 AM
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25. The first thing to do is post it in the Lounge.
Then you work from home. ;)
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:06 AM
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10. A BIG Welcome to DU - Read this story and it raises a question.......
...but before asking my question allow me to say that I think the bird flu has been hyped way out of proportion. That having been said, the bird flu will no doubt mutate eventually.

Ok, I think it would be a good idea to plan now on how we would communicate in the event that this bird flu does mutate or any other issue shuts down the Internet. If the Internet shuts down then snail mail may not be available either so what other communication avenues are there? Ideas anyone??
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:08 AM
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14. I will continue the use of two-way radio as I have in the past n/t
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:15 AM
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17. I suspect that in the grip of bird flu, the nation's internet use will
Edited on Fri Apr-28-06 09:15 AM by NCevilDUer
decrease, not increase.

If the government says otherwise, it is only setting up a situation where they can introduce restrictions on the net ala China. Between bird flu, child porn and terra terra, it's coming.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:36 AM
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22. I guess we'd better forget
pidgeon post.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 10:11 AM
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27. That is just plain.....................
...cute!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 10:15 AM
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28. My attempts
at adding emoticons always meet with dismal failure. How do you add them so successfuly?
Any advice would be much appreciated.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 10:34 AM
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31. When you hit the link for "reply" there is another link right.............
....above the subject line that says "Smiles lookup table". If you clink on that "Smiles lookup table" you will get a whole list of emotions. For every emotion on the left there is a code on the right. Copy that code where ever in your reply that you want the motion. The code itself is all that will show up until you hit the button at the bottom for "Post message". That is when it transforms into the emotion itself. Hope this helps.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 10:43 AM
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33. Did it work ?
:-)
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 10:45 AM
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34. Thanks Minnesota !
Cracked it now.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 11:00 AM
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35. You are very welcome!!!!! nt
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 10:21 AM
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29. tin cans and string? n/t
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:07 AM
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13. As an IT person in public health
This suggestion that of an internet and phone failure makes absolutely no sense what so ever. There could be some slow downs etc, but it will function just fine.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:11 AM
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15. Looks like some Booz Allen Hamilton marketing
simlilar to their Y2K bs.
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:12 AM
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16. Why would there be heavy usage?
I know when I'm sick, all I want to do is lie down and rest or sleep. I don't see those who are truly ill being online very often.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:23 AM
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20. Yes, but there are plenty of people who won't get sick
And rather than going out into the wider world and risk contracting the bird flu, they will stay home and try to work from home as best they can.

This scenario makes sense to me. If the bird flu hits, I'm staying home. Fortunately, my job is a hands on type of job, thus I wouldn't be needing to access the internet.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:18 AM
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18. What would we do without experts?
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:20 AM
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19. Booz Allen Hamilton? Again?
I'm thinking they, Halliburton, & Dyncorp are the three real branches of our government right now. God forbid if the CDC or FCC agencies had to create a report on this.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:39 AM
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24. The Internet will be fine.
I just don't buy it. There are too many interconnects. Traffic can be offloaded and rerouted many different ways. And I don't think we're anywhere near capacity as it is.
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:41 AM
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26. When the SARS pandemic hit a couple of years ago
how long was it before the internet shut down? Maybe if we compared the two deadly pandemics we could get a more accurate prediction.:sarcasm:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 10:30 AM
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30. I like the part about Outsourcing the printing of money!
:wtf: you say? Yeppers, all part of the plan...

Heard a short bit about it on TV the other day, then...nada on the subject. Printing our money overseas? Oh, that opens the gate to a whole lotta junta sponsored trouble!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060416/ts_alt_afp/ushealthfluplan_060416162045

US plans for a bird flu epidemic include stockpiling latex gloves, minting cash overseas and working from home computers by Internet.


"... minting cash overseas..."

Like we don't have enough trouble with counterfeit currency? Isn't that something the terraist like? Counterfeit currency? :eyes:
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 10:35 AM
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32. BE AFRAID
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