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Tanyah Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 07:04 PM
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Kucinich Speaks Out Against House Bill That Lays The Ground Work For War
Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich, The Ranking Member on the House Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security, Emerging THreats and International Relations, gave the following speech during House debate HR 282, the Iran Freedom and Support Act:

I rise in opposition to HR 282, the Iran Freedom and Support Act, which sounds a lot like the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998. Overall, this bill seriously inhibits the ability of the U.S. government to use diplomacy, the strongest and most rational tool we have to resolve the situation regarding Iran’s nuclear program. Instead, this bill sets our country on a path to war with Iran. You can be sure that the government of Iran will also view it that way.

First, the bill makes it official US policy to impose international sanctions through the UN Security Council for Iran’s “repeated breaches” of its nuclear nonproliferation obligations. This sounds eerily familiar to actions pursued in the lead up to the invasion of Iraq, and which, as we now know, were ultimately for appearance only. Similarly, advocating international sanctions against Iran through the Security Council is for appearance only. This Administration has made up its mind that it wants to attack Iran. There is evidence that the US military is already inside Iran. (Seymour Hersh piece in New Yorker, April 17th; CNN’s interview with expert Ret. Lt. Col. Sam Gardiner, April 14th). Including this section in the bill is simply an attempt by Congress to cover the President’s back in the face of the international community with respect to Iran. Hasn’t this Congress learned yet that this Administration is not to be trusted?

Second, HR 282 also promotes regime change in Iran - as opposed to behavior change - as a solution to the standoff regarding Iran’s nuclear program. By advocating regime change, we indicate that our priority is not in fact to encourage Iran to adhere to its NPT obligations, but to remove the leadership in Iran even if the leadership were to make some concessions. This communicates to the world community that to the US, Iran has passed the point of no return, which completely undermines efforts toward diplomacy and negotiations. Furthermore, while this bill makes a point of not authorizing use of force in Iran, be assured that this is a stepping-stone to authorizing the use of force, which is exactly what the Iraq Liberation Act was.

Third, HR 282 supports anti-government advocates in Iran promoting regime change. This is highly problematic. While an important amendment offered by Congressman Blumenauer was adopted into this bill during markup, to prohibit U.S. assistance to groups that are on the State Department’s list of terrorist organizations, or have been on that list for the last 4 years, there are ways around this. For example, according to a Newsweek article from February 14, 2005, the US has been recruiting individuals from the MEK, a group currently labeled as “terrorist” by the State Department, who have agreed to form a new group with the same mission of the MEK: regime change in Iran. These individuals have been conducting military activity in Iran with the United States’ support. I just want to remind everyone that the MEK was the group responsible for the U.S. Embassy takeover in Tehran in 1979. The MEK also had a camp in Iraq where Osama bin Laden’s first fighters were reportedly trained. The MEK also trained and supported Taliban fighters. Now we’re recruiting help from members of the MEK, which makes a total mockery of this so-called “War on Terror.”

Fourth, HR 282 states that it is US policy to focus attention to stopping cooperation between Iran and Russia, China, and Pakistan. Considering that Russia and China have the strongest leverage with Iran, yet are also opposed to Iran’s violations of its NPT obligations, the US should try to work with Russia and China to find a joint path of diplomacy - not isolate Russia and China. In the end, we are only isolating ourselves and setting our country on another unilateral path of war.

Our troops already overextended and in a vulnerable position next door in Iraq. Starting a war in Iran is the last thing we should be doing. I urge you to vote against this dangerous bill, which is nothing more than a stepping-stone to war.

http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=42687

Unfortunately this passed 397-21 with many of our progressive democrats voting FOR it for strange yet to be explained reasons. No wonder they are even trying to impeach Bush, they are still playing along with his wars of agression for PNAC.

I'm with Neil Young "Let's impeach the president for Lying" and stop this ridiculous NOW!
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 07:07 PM
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1. k&r
Thanks for posting the link.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 07:12 PM
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2. If only we had more Congressional representatives like Kucinich.
Recommended.


Never Forget: George W. Bush willfully violated National Security to cover-up his willful launch of a war of aggression and illegal occupation of Iraq.
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Tanyah Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 07:21 PM
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3. A whole House of them would be nice
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 07:22 PM
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4. Good post, and Welcome to DU! I'm with Kucinich! K&R! ....n/t
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 07:31 PM
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5. Kucinich & McDermott have been voices of reason in the house
for the last 5 years. Also Cynthia McKinney. True American heroes here.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 07:50 PM
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6. Thanks for posting this. Here's a link to the final vote tally:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll105.xml#N

I'm proud to note that my own representative, Jim Oberstar, was one of the nays -- of which there were shamefully few.

I hope grassroots activists will remember which Dems rolled over yet again for Operation Iraq Iran Liberation, Part Deux.

sw
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 08:07 PM
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10. I'm proud to have grown up with Oberstar as my rep.
Now I have a faux liberal - McCollum -- who grows more moderate every day.

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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 08:37 PM
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14. I was really surprised and sorry to see McCollum on that list.
I grew up in the Cities, but I've lived in the wonderful 8th for 10 years now; with Becky Lourey and Bill Hilty as my state level senator and representative, respectively. We're truly blessed with some good folks up here.

Btw, I just heard on MPR a day or so ago that the odious Rod Gram (sp?) is thinking about running against Oberstar this year. Ugh!

sw
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 08:07 PM
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11. Conyers voted for it?!
WTF?
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 08:27 PM
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12. Waxman, too. Not only that, he was a co-sponsor -- go figure.
Here's the co-sponsor list

At least Conyers isn't on that one.

sw
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 08:36 PM
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13. I mean I expect my Rethuglican congressman to vote for it but not Conyers.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 08:04 PM
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7. Thanks, Dennis.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 08:05 PM
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8. I love Dennis. He's the voice of reason in troubled times.
The others that voted for this:

H R 282 2/3 YEA-AND-NAY 26-Apr-2006 2:49 PM
QUESTION: On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Pass, as Amended
BILL TITLE To hold the current regime in Iran accountable for its threatening behavior and to support a transition to democracy in Iran.

...should be REPLACED!

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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 08:06 PM
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9. KUCINICH!
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:02 PM
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15. They're actually calling this bill...
the "Iran Freedom and Support Act"

For the love of Pete!!!

Will they call the nuclear bombing attack, the "Sparkly, Twinkly, Rainbow of Compassionate Fireworks?"

I suppose nuclear radiation will be positioned as "a nourishing alternative to tanning beds which stimulates healthy Vitamin D production."

That's right folks---Before the bombs drop on Iran, our government will joyfully encourage Iranians to "Enjoy the coming nuclear winter by making pretty snow angels and cheerful snowmen!"

These people make me sick.

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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 09:49 PM
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16. "this bill sets our country on a path to war with Iran"
Mind-boggling, chilling, exasperating, frightening, sickening, outrageous.

There can be no doubt that both republicans and democrats are putting us on this "path." Why they are doing it is beyond me. Is it for political positioning with voters? Is it because they are all corporatists and corporatists need war and oil? Is it because they truly feel Iran is a real threat AND believe that this administration can handle the responsibility of dealing with it? Do they not have concerns that this is a mistake and that they are playing with fire here?

And, I'm sorry, DK's speech was nice, but if 21 of them truly think this is putting us on a path to a disastrous war, then it is their duty to shout it on every talk show, introduce resolutions that require the administration to come back to congress before taking action, stand together in a press conference and talk about how badly mangled the Iraq war has been and that we don't trust these guys to get it right.

I don't like the silence and passivity regarding what could be the mother of all geo-political mistakes. I refer to a pertinent huffington post from a couple of weeks ago by Beinhart:

snip

"If the invasion of Iraq was not a matter of self-defense -- however much the definition was stretched -- and it was not sanctioned as collective action -- it was a war of aggression.

There are no mitigating circumstances, except, perhaps, the silence.

The silence, vast and still, came from the media. It came from our other politicians. From our historians, lawyers and generals, from our priests, ministers, rabbis and imams, who failed to step forward and say, wait, once upon a time we said that waging an aggressive war was the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.

Once upon a time we hung people for the crime of waging an aggressive war.

We are continuing that war. We have already begun the preparations for another war."

snip

More silence. More of the same kind of silence. Where is the opposition? Where is the explanation of votes for the bill by dems? This does not bode well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=205212


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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 11:06 PM
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17. Kucinich has been a foreteller of the future Get ready for WWIII
:nuke:
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 11:08 PM
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18. Welcome to DU, Tanyah!
:hi:

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Tanyah Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 11:10 PM
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19. Are they handing out free extra strength koolaid on the Hill or something?
"Hasn’t this Congress learned yet that this Administration is not to be trusted?"
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 04:39 PM
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20. God I love this man!!!!! `
Dennis is my hero yet again.
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