Make your own gas for 65 cents a gallon

[B Calm]

http://www.ethanolstill.com/

[radfringe]

1. Great Link

unfortunately for us - we can't afford to buy a pre-assembled one, nor are we mechanically inclined enough to build one ourselves...

but if I ever find an extra $1400 laying around -- we'll be ordering one

[INdemo]

8. You could build your own and buy most of

the items at your local hardware store for under $200.00
or perhaps at the local recycle center even cheaper.....

[radfringe]

10. I'm not THAT mechanically inclined

nor skilled

my "mechanical" skills are limited to real basic stuff like screwing in lightbulbs

so building something like this is WAAAAAAAAAAAYYY out of my league

[liberal N proud]

2. Saw a piece about this on a local TV station last night.

If I lived in a rural area, I would be building one this morning.

[liberal N proud]

3. This guy is on NBC right now 7:15 AM

[greekspeak]

4. Is this really for real? Really?

It is hard to imagine the prudes or the ueber rich oil companies letting people legally own this equipment. And once it takes off, how long until ethanol becomes the new oil? $3.00+ a gallon because the corporate Ueberlords say so, and their government lackeys agree.

[B Calm]

7. It's for real. I live out in the country around farmers. I e-mailed

this link to some of my neighbors and offering dollars to have a neighborhood ethanol still.

[China_cat]

11. You're right.

It could be classified as a still and wrecked by ATF while you are handcuffed and put under a federal prison.

[HereSince1628]

14. I believe them revenuers may have an interest in your still, too,

what does ATF have to say about having a home still?

[ixion]

5. excellent link, thanks!

hmmmmm... serious food for thought there. :think:

[INdemo]

6. Same thing as moonshine or "White lightin"

This is what Jimmy Johnson used in his car as a moonshine runner.
in the 50's and early 60's

[formercia]

9. E85 Alcohol

is 15% water and other byproducts of fermentation. The reason it's only 85 % is that ratio of water and alcohol boil at a lower temperature than pure ethanol. Getting that last bit of water out can raise the cost a bit more.

In warm climates, that much water is not too much of a problem but when the temperature goes below freezing, it's another matter.

I wouldn't try and set up a still without a permit from the Revenuers.

Here's the BATF site where you can get information for a permit:

http://www.ttb.gov/alcohol/info/faq/spirits.htm

You will need an Alcohol Fuel Plant permit.

http://www.ttb.gov/alcohol/permits.htm

to get answers for any questions:

Manufacturer of non-beverage products, drawback, tax free alcohol use or dealer or user of specially denatured alcohol: [e-mail].


Then there's the question of State and Federal fuel taxes....


Do you really want to do this?


Get a good Attorney.

[INdemo]

17. Setting up still

"Wouldn't set up without permission from revenuers"..I agree of course, but I was just trying to point out that a still is not really difficult to assemble..Any way my thinking is as long as one didn't try and sell the stuff.
When I was very young my brother brought some moonshine back from Kentucky..My brothers made a bet that a car could run on that stuff.. He poured some in a nearly empty gas tank and drove the car much farther than the original amount of gas would have taken him...and it had more pep than a rocket...

[formercia]

20. Stills over 1 Gallon capacity require a permit.

and ANY still that recovers ethanol in any form requires one as well.

Producing alternative fuels is not as simple as it looks. The permit process is purposefully complex thanks to the major producers who make sure that there is little competition. Even making it for your own use can be prohibitively costly to set up.

Ignoring the law will ensure you spend a lot on attorney fees and you could even get prison time. How do you prove you used the fuel in your vehicle and not consumed it? BATF will want to know.

[SkyIsGrey]

12. A modified fuel system is required.

The entire fuel system in the car will have to be set-up to handle alcohol. It is corrosive, and will damage any fuel system not designed to handle it.

[B Calm]

23. Gasoline cars using bi-fuel converter system can easly be

converted. http://www.abcesso.com/

[HereSince1628]

13. You can also make your own 100% Sunflower oil

There have been several DIY threads on EtOH and I wondered if anyone knew how to press oil from seeds.

After not too much googling, it turns out the Organic Gardening had an article on just that back in the 70's--although they were thinking salad dressing.

They recommend a sunflower selected for oil, a summary of the process is
1-dehulling
2-grinding
3-heating the pulverized meats (cold pressing cut their yeild by 1/2) to 300,
4 then pressing under lots of pressure (they used a 5-ton capacity jack mounted in a heavily reinforced homemade frame).

all there details are here http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/oilpress.html


With their apparatus they were turning out premium organic salad oil. So if you have a truckload of sunflower seeds and lots of time for milking sunflower seeds you can make your own diesel, too.

[kentuck]

15. Corn liquor ?

Sell it for $50 a gallon and buy 10 gallons of gasoline. :)

[DoYouEverWonder]

16. Ah, what a practical person you are

I just love good ol' American ingenuity.

Heck, if your car breaks down, just drink the fuel and relax.

[napi21]

18. I thought you could obtain a permit to make alcohol for personal use.

I checked the links listed here, and didn't see anything like that, but they talked about importing, exporting, and resale. I'm not sure if I wan to give out my email to them just to ask that question though.

[formercia]

21. read thread #9 n/t

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

19. You also have to have a permit from DHS/ATF

to posess one, or you WILL go to jail.

I wonder if they are signing permits at all?

[formercia]

22. Making Beer and Wine is no big deal, but a still

is a completely different process from a permit standpoint.