Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The law of truly large numbers

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 12:05 PM
Original message
The law of truly large numbers
Here's a little snip from a mcjoan diary on DailyKos that I glanced over the first time I read it, but has come back to gnaw at my brain all of last night and this morning...

Show Us the Money
by mcjoan
Fri Apr 28, 2006 at 09:35:34 AM PDT

The Washington Post reports on another scandal today, one more along the usual lines of Republican chicanery, this one dealing with money. Lots and lots of taxpayers' money.

The cost of the war in Iraq will reach $320 billion after the expected passage next month of an emergency spending bill currently before the Senate, and that total is likely to more than double before the war ends, the Congressional Research Service estimated this week. . . .

Once the war spending bill is passed, military and diplomatic costs will have reached $101.8 billion this fiscal year, up from $87.3 billion in 2005, $77.3 billion in 2004 and $51 billion in 2003, the year of the invasion, congressional analysts said. Even if a gradual troop withdrawal begins this year, war costs in Iraq and Afghanistan are likely to rise by an additional $371 billion during the phaseout, the report said, citing a Congressional Budget Office study. When factoring in costs of the war in Afghanistan, the $811 billion total for both wars would have far exceeded the inflation-adjusted $549 billion cost of the Vietnam War. (emphasis mine)


There's more of mcjoan's diary at : <http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/4/28/123534/903>

- - - - - - - - -

The first point which you gleaned readily from the quoted article from the Washington Post is that the US is definitely ontrack to spend more on this neverending and misbegotten war than we did on that other neverending and misbegotten war.

But that is not the information that has been needling my mind.

What it is is this: I'm not very good at imagining big numbers when they have to do with cash. None of us are. I grant that some of us are better than others at working with large numbers because they are people who, in their daily wanderings or interests, work with scientific notation pondering very small sizes (like atoms) or very large quantities (like the number of stars or the great distances between galaxies). But when you or I start thinking about very large numbers in relation to MONEY -- well, we just have to admit that we just don't have any experience with that. For myself I don't have that experience in my personal finances (ha ha) and not even in working with my department's annual budget (some $1.2 million).

So what does $811 billion dollars look like? I have no freakin' idea, but I'm sure someone can give some analogies downthread that would spin circles around any that I might attempt to put in this post.

Try to wrap your head around this:

$0
$8
$81
$811
$8,110
$81,100
$811,000
$8,110,000
$81,100,000
$811,000,000
$8,110,000,000
$81,100,000,000
$811,000,000,000

But that is not my point. The question that is more important to me is this: What ELSE could have been done with that $811 billion that the Bush Administration and our Congress have just thrown away (by losing some millions of it or just handing it over via no-bid-and-apparently-no-post-audit contracts to Halliburton or Carlyle or (place other war-profiteer friend-of-Cheney company name here)).

"What else could the United States have done with $811 billion?" is a question that speaks to the very heart of values. I know, I know. "Values" has become just a word of right-wing rhetoric now and is a drastically overused and ironically, an undervalued word.

But what do we cherish? Bush says (in so many words) that we cherish "freedom" and in "bringing democracy" (or perhaps his handlers' twisted views of democracy) to the people of Iraq (blah, blah, blah, blah, I simply cannot continue espousing their rhetoric in my own thread, ugh) -- which in the Administration's explanation for this Iraq debacle is the ultimate Orwellian spin of the century...perhaps the millenium. In explaining coincidences, statisticians use the law of truly large numbers to identify the mathematical reason that so many people in a stadium will have the exact same birthday. It isn't coincidence; it is just math. To that end, I personally do not think there is anything coincidental about how Bush and Cheney abused the law, intelligence and Congressional weakness to make a large amount of cash disappear into the hands of their war-profiteer and Big Oil buddies. It wasn't coincidence, or even ineptitude; it was planned that way. Do the $811B math.

So here's just one answer to the question for what else we could have done with that money:

In the 2000 US Census, it was reported that there were 281.4 million people, with 26% of them being under age 18 years for a total under-18 population of 72.3 million.

Age of the United States Population in 2000
In 2000, the U.S. Census Bureau counted 281.4 million people in the United States. Of this number, 72.3 million, or 26 percent of the U.S. population, were under age 18.
<http://www.ferris.edu/library/Subject/Government/census.html>

$811,000,000,000 divided by 72,300,000 children equals $11,217 and change.

We could have given every child (granting that we may have a few more six years later than those census figures) some $11K for use in Individual Accounts for their primary and secondary school education, such as for private tutoring, music lessons (my daughter's piano lessons are $80 per month), SAT preparation courses ($300), lab fees ($45 per semester), band fees (my daughter's marching band fundraising quota was $400), and for all the little books and soccer shoes and uniforms and fees and fieldtrips, etc. that come up. What a difference such a thing would make in expanding the mind of a child!

Or, (and here's my cynical despair rising) we could have just BURNED that money in a big bonfire for all I care, rather than having spent it on this godforsaken war and the killing of troops and Iraqis.

Your turn: What else could we have done?

---
tcb
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 12:12 PM
Response to Original message
1. With that kind of money we could have developed the moon
We could have lunar colonies. those colonies could build other colonies, making a lot more living space. We could capture comets once we're stationed on the moon and use them for water. We could use the resources of the moon (tidal forces being so much stronger on the moon means more accessible heavy elements) to keep paying for the process in a bootstrapping production model.

But, it was a lot more important to get revenge for Saddam Hussein not being killed in Desert Storm.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 12:22 PM
Response to Original message
2. For that kind of money

we could have developed machines that pick up our garbage and completely recycle every molecule of it into its components for use as resources (plastics, fuel, etc.)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 12:25 PM
Response to Original message
3. I'm remembering that a million seconds ago we were in the 'fifties
and a billion seconds ago Jesus was walking around, but my memory isn't what it used to be, and it never was.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. no, because there are 31 million seconds in a year
more or less pi times ten to the seventh. So 30 years would be about a billion seconds and 3,000 years a trillion seconds unless you use British nomenclature.

For 811 billion we could have built 16,220 schools at $50 million each.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. Thanx.
811B would set up a nice universal health system, too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 12:50 PM
Response to Original message
4. I'm tempted to say
enough M&Ms to really pig out but the actual answer is a whole lot of health car for people unable to afford it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #4
11. Yes. Health care for every one...how about an MRI machine for
every hospital? How about an extra helicopter or two for every hospital?

How about more firemen and policemen for every community?

How about a couple of billion thrown towards developing a cure for AIDS and cancer?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 01:15 PM
Response to Original message
5. In 2005 dollars, that's SIX Apollo Projects
Remember what a massive undertaking that was to do something that seemed impossible within just a few years? Remember how many people that project employed and how much science and technology came out of that?

Pick whatever supermassive undertaking you can think of: ending world hunger, curing cancer, developing fusion energy, solving global warming...anything. Now pick five more. That's what you could do with that kind of money.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. I really like the fusion energy idea, because that one
project, in my mind, is the key to ending hunger and poverty for the whole world in one blow. I am reminded of the the movie The Saint with Val Kilmer where the plot climax is that in the end the scientist resolves the problem of cold water fusion. Unlimited energy from seawater - it blows the mind, even if we're skeptical.

Any theory of fusion, even farfetched or flawed or doomed to failure would have been a better investment of our $811B instead of war and more war.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. I agree
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 02:55 PM by Frank Cannon
Pick whatever pipe dream you can think of that would improve lives and would create investment, employment, research and development right here in the United States, and without killing people, and it wouldn't matter how much of that $811 billion you spent, we'd be one hell of a lot better off.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 02:05 PM
Response to Original message
7. If you wanted to do something superficial with it

we could have bought every single person in world a case of Coca-cola (from I'd like to buy the world a Coke fame...)

How many candy bars is that?

How many Ipods?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec 26th 2024, 04:23 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC