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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 07:18 PM
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e-mail exchange with a conservative friend.
I'm working on him. He's a cop, which means his salary is our taxes. He is one of those liberals in each issue type of guys, but calls himself a conservative because it's his "team".:eyes: He may come around. I used some of the points from other Duers in my reply.:yourock:

PS Do I dare ask what your opinion of this immigration mess is? I predict
this is the one issue that could bring riots back to the US if we're not
careful. I will say this much.... It really pisses me off to see people
flying the Mexican flag. We even had a gentleman in the Valley who was
flying the US flag below the Mexican flag. The VFW went and politely
explained etiquette to him. Do you know what his response was? He took
down the US flag. In my humble opinion, he should get his butt back to
Mexico if that's the way he feels. All others who want to immigrate legally
are welcome. Your thoughts??


-My Response-
Immigration? It's a distraction. We have an out of control White House who is bent on bombing yet another sovereign nation, this time with possible nukes, which would set off a chain of events that could possibly be the destruction of us all. At the very least, The US's standing in the world will be that of a pariah, bully, and rogue nation. More Congressmen and Seantors are under indictment for campaign finance violations, money laundering, insider trading, and corruption since who knows when. Fraud, Indictments, cronyism, price gouging and record profits for oil companies... the list goes on. The last thing I'm worried about is Pedro risking death, crossing the Arizona desert to pick lettuce for less than $5 an hour.

Immigration has been a contentious issue for 200 years (remember the hatred for Irish, Italian Immigrants in the 1800s?), why is it all of the sudden a crisis NOW? Could it be that a GOP controlled Congress with an 18% approval rating needs to get re-elected this year?

You want to solve the problem? If the demand is there, cut off the supply. Arrest, convict and throw in jail for 10 years at least, every employer, CEO, farmer and construction boss who hires illegals. This would include Wal-Mart, Ritz Carlton and Molly Maids. No wimpy little less than a Billion $ fines, or looks the other way from state/federal pro-biz officials with a wink. If there are no jobs to get, then they're not going bother coming here, much less risk their lives crossing borders where the Beer Guts Across America (Minutemen) are waiting to pick them off.

Please don't get caught up in the racist distraction over the flag. I fly an Irish one in March. The Chinese fly one in May. The Cajuns fly a French flag during Mardi Gras. The Italians and Germans fly theirs in October. And... all year round the only people in this country actually PROVEN to be traitors to this nation still fly their racist symbol Confederate Battle Flags all over the South, yet have the nerve to be pissed at Mexicans flying theirs. I saw one truck with a stars and bars sticker on one side, and a United We Stand bumper sticker on the other, driving around without any sense of irony. I had to laugh.

Wanna protest something Mexican? Protest Corona. Any beer that has to have a lime in it to be drinkable, is not worth drinking!

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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 07:20 PM
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1. That's Outragous, I'm seriously offended.
I love Corona with a lime. ;)
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 07:54 PM
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8. Ugh! Rat piss.
Try a Warschteiner. Life's too short to drink cheap beer.:D
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 11:57 AM
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19. Dos Equis is miles better and there are far better Mexican brews than that
Corona just has the mass awareness and some good marketing to it...
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 07:24 PM
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2. Cogently and tightly argued
I'd be interested to see your friend's response. Turning the issue from the what to the when, particularly when there are so many other truly burning issues to be addressed will be a good jump-start to your friend's brain.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 07:26 PM
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3. Okay, I have to say it....
you scored a Touchdown with that!
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 07:37 PM
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4. yeah, I agree, touchdown.
What was his response?
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 07:43 PM
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6. I just sent it to him an hour ago
It might be Tomorrow. He's usually reasonable and intelligent, so I expect some give and take.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 07:38 PM
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5. well done :)
btw there are indications the mexican peso will soon be worth more then the greenback, i hear....thanks to bush and his plague of locusts (the republican'ts) ruining the usa economy!
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 07:54 PM
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7. This is what I wanted to say on C-span today
if I got through, which I didn't.

Excellent, intelligent response. Good job!!
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 07:58 PM
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9. I see you never mention the word ILLEGAL.....
before the word immigration. Talking around the issue which is ILLEGAL immigration not just immigration. I don't know football very well but it's no touchdown IMO. Don't they have something called off sides?
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 02:27 AM
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12. Who's to say this guy with a flag is an ILLEGAL?
Edited on Sun Apr-30-06 02:31 AM by Touchdown
Did anybody bother to ask him? My ancestors came over here, and were considered illegal unless we put on a uniform and fought for the North. The nativists didn't want that Irish trash in "their" country. After the railroads were built, all chinese were deported and declared illegal aliens in the mid-1800s.

Who wants them here? Who is recruiting them here? Who thinks they need low wages to circumvent the so-callled "free market system" which says that if nobody works for you, you're paying too low a wage? Funny how things never change, just the nationalities.

If I hold a sign at an anti-death penalty rally, am I a serial killer? If I protest a war with Iraq, am I an Iraqi insurgent? If I protest Jerry Fatwell because of his influence in Government, am I a Satan Worshipper? Why is everybody who waves a Mexican flag at these protests over a very draconian and immoral (no matter which side you come down on) bill in Congress automatically assumed to be an illegal alien then?

I never meant to score a Touchdown. That's just my user name.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 09:30 AM
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15. I wonder if you consider our immigration into Iraq illegal.
Just saying......
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 08:14 PM
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10. That is at least a triple
But is not Corona made by Anheuser Bush?
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 10:36 AM
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17. no - it is imported
but may as well be a Busch product as it sucks.

:)
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left is right Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 08:33 PM
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11. Persuasive, yet kind
Winning combination
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Pool Hall Ace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 08:48 AM
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13. Minutemen = "Beer Guts Across America" -- I love it!
Please let us know if/when you get a response.

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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 09:21 AM
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14. Did he complain when this happened?
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 10:19 AM
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16. Dos Equis is great beer. Corona sucks.
I agree with your post. The immigration stuff will die down after the election. Nothing much will happen.

--IMM
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 10:50 AM
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18. Great response
That's how we're going to take back America, one freeper at a time.

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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 02:35 PM
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20. Nice. "..why is it a crisis now". All of these new and suddenly
important crisises are, as you say, a distraction from the horrendous mess in Iraq.
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TexasThoughtCriminal Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:28 AM
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21. confederate flag = traitor
So true. You think if we spread this meme, it'll make Bubba think twice about hoisting that flag?
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