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Ovett Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 08:22 PM
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politics and personality type
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 08:23 PM by Ovett
I recently took the Meyers Briggs personality test and found it very accurate (INTP). I was wondering if anyone knew if there was a correspondence between personality type and political leanings. I would guess that most SJs tend to be more conservative and NFs (Idealists) would lean heavily to liberal. NTs probably more liberal, but also libertarian I would guess. SPs, not sure but would say maybe 50/50 split depending on upbringing and geography. Anyone know if there have been studies on this? This might lead one to believe political orientation is somewhat hardwired and not easy to sway for many personality types.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 08:28 PM
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1. I've forgotten. What are the categories?
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Ovett Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 08:36 PM
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6. they are the following
Idealists (NF)
Rationals (NT)
Artisans (SP)
Guardians (SJ)

there are four letters in a personality type I(introvert/E(extrovert, N(intuitive)/S(sensing), T(thinking)/F(feeling), P(perceiving)/J(judging).

here is a link to take the test:

http://www.humanmetrics.com/#Jtype
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 10:27 AM
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48. I'm suppose to pay to know me? when I already know me for free?
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BlueStateGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:03 PM
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60. I am an INFJ. I think it is a pretty accurate description of me.
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BlueStateGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:03 PM
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61. I am an INFJ. I think it is a pretty accurate description of me.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 10:40 PM
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73. INFJ/P
Depending on how I feeeeeel that day. :)
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:52 PM
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86. You are being soooooo INFish :)
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 08:33 PM
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2. I'm an INTP, too.
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 08:35 PM by valerief
Extrovert or introvert
Intuitive or Sensing
Thinking or Feeling
Perceiving or Judging

Edited to add
http://www.keirsey.com/sixteenroles.html
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 11:23 AM
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50. Your type is considered the most independent. Would you say that describes
you?

I've met only a handful of known INTP's and they seem to fit that description. MKJ
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 07:18 PM
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66. INTP spoken here as well....
:hi:
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 08:33 PM
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3. ISTJ
and liberal since the 60's. i expect my government to be just and responsible and Bushco has been anything but.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 08:34 PM
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4. This is a fascinating topic
I agree with your speculations...would love to see some research results.

Political leaning is not a matter of pure choice, that's for sure. It's correlated with genetic personality tendencies, and amplified by life experiences. This is a compelling reason to dump the idea of demonizing people who have different politics. The enlightened approach is to use deeper understanding of why evolution gave rise to a range of human personalities, and then use that to devise better ways to find political common ground. This gives me a *lot* more hope than the same old "let's kick those evil bastards in the balls" type of rhetoric. Definition of insanity: do the same thing over and over, yet expect different results.

ENTP here, btw.

Peace.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 08:35 PM
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5. I always liked the ABC & D typing...
http://www.hiresuccess.com/pplus-3.htm

I have found that most A's are republicans (those I personally know) and C and D are more Dem...but, I have come to the conclusion that it's mainly in the environment that the parents raise their children in, with some exceptions...
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Homer Wells Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:00 PM
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7. INFJ here
and I consider myself a moderate liberal.:bounce:
:dem:
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leanin_green Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:44 PM
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53. INFJ here also.
And I consider myself a radical/revolutionary, albeit in the Ghandi vein. Wouldn't want to harm my fellows for an idea, you know.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 08:01 PM
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67. INFJ also
Does anybody know what the "P" for "perceiving" is about? What's the diff between the 'judging' and 'perceiving' character? I don't see myself as judgemental but I ended up with a "J"...
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leanin_green Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 09:39 PM
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69. I believe in this case
the concept of judgement refers to discernment. I mean, we're talking about people such as ourselves that rely on Introverted, Intuitive Feelings to get by in the world. In order for us to actually not fall into a quivering mass of goo it takes a little discernment in order to cope. I believe we are the original meaning of the axiom, "Know Thyself." Those of the Perception variety take those same three aspects that we share with them and use them to perceive the world around them. Therefore, if their introverted, intuitive, feeling self is in harmony with itself, they perceive the world accordingly. Follow my thinking? Whereas the Judgement variety doesn't rely on the inner landscape to form a perception of the world around them. In fact, at times, the Judgement type often withdraws from participation in society in order to get in touch that the intuitive, feeling aspect of themselves.

Of course, these are just some random, intuitive feelings I have on the subject.
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Ovett Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 10:12 PM
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71. i think it breaks down like this:
the judging personality likes to draw decisive conclusions about the world or his/her plans, and tends to be a "scheduler", while the perceiving personality is a more probing and perhaps open minded person, who tends not to like to live by set schedules. The J type I think tends to be more of a neat type while the P has a higher tolerance for clutter. The P type is more improvisational while the J is more "plan of attack" oriented.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 10:54 PM
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75. thanks
According to this website, the INFJ type may not be as consistent in the need to order things but still has the need to develop and adhere to systems:

"INFJs place great importance on havings things orderly and systematic in their outer world. They put a lot of energy into identifying the best system for getting things done, and constantly define and re-define the priorities in their lives. On the other hand, INFJs operate within themselves on an intuitive basis which is entirely spontaneous. They know things intuitively, without being able to pinpoint why, and without detailed knowledge of the subject at hand. They are usually right, and they usually know it. Consequently, INFJs put a tremendous amount of faith into their instincts and intuitions. This is something of a conflict between the inner and outer worlds, and may result in the INFJ not being as organized as other Judging types tend to be. Or we may see some signs of disarray in an otherwise orderly tendency, such as a consistently messy desk."

http://www.personalitypage.com/INFJ.html/
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 11:40 PM
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77. I think I follow...
It has to do with ways of adapting to the outer world? That there is something of a conflict between the inner and outer worlds...ie. the INFJ relys on his own wisdom above all, but does not project that onto others. Kind of a visionary/intuitive - skeptic/realist dichotomy? I can relate to that schizy feeling --wide swings on the subjectivity vs. objectivity spectrum.

For example I do NOT believe that good always triumphs, which I think is more like the INFP personality. Though I'm interested in and accepting of people, I'm more inclined to leave the outcomes for good/bad in any human interaction at a 50/50 chance.

Interesting topic.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:55 PM
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87. Judging vs Perception
In MB lingo judging (Js) are more structured, orderly, planners.
Ps are go with the flow, whatever happens is fine, kind of thing.

I know this is simplistic but you get the idea....

But with INFJs are the least organized of all the Js. They can be very neat and tidy in one area of their lives and then have a very messy desk.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 06:56 PM
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63. INFJ here as well..... we only make up about 2% of the pop I think...
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 11:32 AM
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83. Because we are so special.
;)
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:51 PM
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85. Of course..... :) nt
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:50 PM
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84. FYI Info about INFJs
INFJ
Foreseer Developer: INFJ

Theme is foresight. Use their insights to deal with complexity in issues and people, often with a strong sense of "knowing" before others know themselves. Talents lie in developing and guiding people. Trust their inspirations and visions, using them to help others. Thrive on helping others resolve deep personal and ethical dilemmas. Private and complex, they bring a quiet enthusiasm and industry to projects that are part of their vision.


Profile by Sandra Krebs Hirsch and Jean Kummerow
INFJs are future oriented, and direct their insight and inspiration toward the understanding of themselves and thereby human nature. Their work mirrors their integrity, and it needs to reflect their inner ideals. Solitude and an opportunity to concentrate thoroughly on what counts most is important to them. INFJs prefer to quietly exert their influence. They have deeply felt compassion, and they desire harmony with others. INFJs understand the complexities existing within people and among them. They are at their best concentrating on their ideas, ideals, and inspirations.


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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:02 PM
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8. INTP. Pinko hippie librul since the '60s.
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phaseolus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:02 PM
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9. I always liked Hogwarts typing -- Slytherins are always Republican
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 09:03 PM by phaseolus
Back to Meyers-Briggs -- I'm also an INTP. There's a very lengthy description of our type on the intp.org website, which is spot on for me... with the exception that I'm not interested in photography.

I think we're overrepresented on internet forums. We're only ... 3% of the population?? The proportion seems much higher than that online. Well into the double digits from what I see.

I suspect our analytical nature is what makes most of us lean Democratic. We're not going to buy into a philosophy without examining it, and quite frankly much of what the post-Reagan Republicans have stood for just doesn't stand up to rigorous, logical analysis. It's all gut feeling for them. They accept things on faith "just because". And while that can be the Republicans' strength -- sometimes -- because it's easy for them to articulate a clear position on almost anything, it's a great weakness because they're wrong so often.
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Ovett Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:08 PM
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12. I read that INTP is only 1%.
Which may be another problem for liberals, because NFs are also fairly rare (3-4%?)

Here is an in depth description of INTP that I found insightful:

http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~darse/Stuff/intprofile.html
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:22 PM
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18. Very good link, I see myself in this description so much it is eerie.
The emphasis on individualism in particular resonates deeply with me. Indeed, virtually every single other feature in the article is also congruent with my mind and lifestyle.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:25 PM
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21. Hey, this makes us sound like nutcase freepers! n/t
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Ovett Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:38 PM
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24. yeah its a little extreme but i found it pretty close
to reflecting core traits of the INTP. all of these are moderated by learned behaviors, and some people are more INTP than others. anyway, I think Meyers Briggs is useful for self discovery and self acceptance.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 10:36 PM
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72. That is the most accurate description of INTP...
I have read, at least as it applies to this INTP. :)

Thanks for posting!
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:04 PM
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10. INTP here as well. Ironic, since it is statistically a very rare type.
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 09:05 PM by American Tragedy
They seem comparatively common here.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:54 PM
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55. Count me as an INTP as well ...
I can remember taking the test as part of a workshop a few years back; I was the only one of the group that was an INTP ... is there a gender breakdown? For some reason, I remember the psychologist that administered the test claiming that it was even more unusual for a woman to be an INTP ... ????
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Ovett Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 10:04 PM
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70. I think I read that women were less likely to test NT n/t.
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catabryna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:06 PM
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11. INFP here...
I took this test years ago and then again about 6 months ago to see if I got the same result, which I did. When I read the profile, I couldn't believe how accurate it was. I think you are probably right about political leanings/personality types. No argument has ever made me want to jump over the fence!
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:27 PM
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22. Interesting group we belong to here
Famous INFPs:
Homer
Virgil
Mary, mother of Jesus
St. John, the beloved disciple
St. Luke; physician, disciple, author
William Shakespeare, bard of Avon
Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (Evangeline)
A. A. Milne (Winnie the Pooh)
Laura Ingalls Wilder (Little House on the Prairie)
Helen Keller, deaf and blind author
Carl Rogers, reflective psychologist, counselor
Fred Rogers (Mister Rogers' Neighborhood)
Dick Clark (American Bandstand)
Donna Reed, actor (It's a Wonderful Life)
Jacqueline Kennedy Onasis
Neil Diamond, vocalist
Tom Brokaw, news anchor
James Herriot (All Creatures Great and Small)
Annie Dillard (Pilgrim at Tinker Creek)
James Taylor, vocalist
Julia Roberts, actor (Conspiracy Theory, Pretty Woman)
Scott Bakula (Quantum Leap)
Terri Gross (PBS's "Fresh Air")
Amy Tan (author of The Joy-Luck Club, The Kitchen God's Wife)
John F. Kennedy, Jr.
Lisa Kudrow ("Phoebe" of Friends)
Fred Savage ("The Wonder Years")


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catabryna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:35 PM
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23. That is a fascinating list...
and not one I mind being a part of! Interestingly, I share the same birthdate as Shakespeare.
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:43 PM
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28. JFK sounds more like an NT to me.
Right now I'm writing some psychohistorical profiles of figures in the executive branch of government in the sixties, and JFK has always struck me as more of a hard rationalist, at least in his career and worldview. RFK, on the other hand, was a definite Feeler.

Just my opinion.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 10:46 PM
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74. Add Me To the INFP's too n/t
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:43 AM
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44. Here too. Go INFP's!
Edited on Sun Apr-30-06 01:47 AM by Marie26
Yeah, I was surprised how dead-on accurate the INFP description was when I read it. I'd bet most NF's are liberals & most SJs are Republicans, w/the SP's not much caring either way. I think it's funny that almost everyone here is an IN-something, even though that's the rarest combination. And hardly anyone is an S, even though 75% of the public is. Sometimes I wonder if the Intuitor/Senate dichotomy accounts for a lot of the bewilderment people feel about Bush's popularity - he's not very Intuitor-friendly.
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 12:50 PM
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52. another INFP here -
still have that book of poetry rolling around in my brain......
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 03:55 PM
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59. LOL. Me too.
I think probably every INFP is a English/literature major. Yes, every one. :)
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 11:28 AM
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82. My first degree was in English and I'm an INFP.
Things that make you go hmm...
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leanin_green Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:47 PM
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54. Another INFJ, checking in.
Are we also the ones who don't post unless we really have something to say?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:17 PM
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13. ENxP here.
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 10:16 PM by TahitiNut
I score 50/50 on the T-F scale nearly every time. Strong 'E' and very strong 'N' ... but only slightly 'P' over 'J'.

The Visionary


As an ENTP, your primary mode of living is focused externally, where you take things in primarily via your intuition. Your secondary mode is internal, where you deal with things rationally and logically.

With Extraverted Intuition dominating their personality, the ENTP's primary interest in life is understanding the world that they live in. They are constantly absorbing ideas and images about the situations they are presented in their lives. Using their intuition to process this information, they are usually extremely quick and accurate in their ability to size up a situation. With the exception of their ENFP cousin, the ENTP has a deeper understanding of their environment than any of the other types.

This ability to intuitively understand people and situations puts the ENTP at a distinct advantage in their lives. They generally understand things quickly and with great depth. Accordingly, they are quite flexible and adapt well to a wide range of tasks. They are good at most anything that interests them. As they grow and further develop their intuitive abilities and insights, they become very aware of possibilities, and this makes them quite resourceful when solving problems.

<snip>



The Inspirer


As an ENFP, your primary mode of living is focused externally, where you take things in primarily via your intuition. Your secondary mode is internal, where you deal with things according to how you feel about them, or how they fit in with your personal value system.

ENFPs are warm, enthusiastic people, typically very bright and full of potential. They live in the world of possibilities, and can become very passionate and excited about things. Their enthusiasm lends them the ability to inspire and motivate others, more so than we see in other types. They can talk their way in or out of anything. They love life, seeing it as a special gift, and strive to make the most out of it.

ENFPs have an unusually broad range of skills and talents. They are good at most things which interest them. Project-oriented, they may go through several different careers during their lifetime. To onlookers, the ENFP may seem directionless and without purpose, but ENFPs are actually quite consistent, in that they have a strong sense of values which they live with throughout their lives. Everything that they do must be in line with their values. An ENFP needs to feel that they are living their lives as their true Self, walking in step with what they believe is right. They see meaning in everything, and are on a continuous quest to adapt their lives and values to achieve inner peace. They're constantly aware and somewhat fearful of losing touch with themselves. Since emotional excitement is usually an important part of the ENFP's life, and because they are focused on keeping "centered", the ENFP is usually an intense individual, with highly evolved values.

<snip>




Inventor Rational (eNTp)

ENTP ("One exciting challenge after another" and "Progress is the product")
"The ENTP is a 'big picture' person who finds it challenging to see how many ways there are for fitting the various pieces of the whole together. In fact, it is their ability to see the big picture that enables them to generate so many creative alternatives for just about any system — whether that 'system' is a family, a vacation, a record collection, or a major corporation. They know that any system, no matter how successful, can always be made better or more effective. Such perceptions can at times make them almost psychic about future developments in a variety of disciplines."
— (from "Type Talk" by Kroeger & Thueson, p. 262)
"Perhaps another strength is their relentless drive for competency in themselves and others. To see life as a daily challenge: to compete, stretch, share, and learn; always to strive to improve oneself and others — these qualities can't help but have a positive impact. It's part of the mystique of the ENTP that they push onward and upward for better and better. Such a spirit captivates every entrepreneur, and it's just such a drive for more and more competency that gives birth to zany ideas, brings them to fruition, and moves the world a little farther."
— (from "Type Talk at Work" by Kroeger & Thueson, p. 367)


Champion Idealist (eNFp)

ENFP ("Giving life an extra squeeze" and "People are the product")
"The basic theme of the ENFP's life is self-expression. The 1960s emphasis on self-awareness and group dynamics, the conversation pits where talk of peace and love and 'flower power' took place, epitomize the values of the ENFP. The more that people can be themselves — and be affirmed for being themselves — the more growing they will do and the more they will contribute to the good of society. ENFPs believe that and will give their energies to help others achieve their goals."
— (from "Type Talk" by Kroeger & Thueson, p. 258)
"Still another asset is the ENFP's people skills. As a rule ENFPs give strokes freely and are responsive to other people's needs. They can generally find time to pause and help, affirm, listen, or do whatever else is needed to get someone unstuck and back into the swing of things. They tend to feel loyal to those who are responsive to their own enthusiastic way of relating, which in turn engenders more loyalty throughout the system."
— (from "Type Talk at Work" by Kroeger & Thueson, p. 360)
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:17 PM
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14. all INTP's are DU'ers ...
you can trust me on this ... i did a study ... really, i did ... every single one of us is a DU'er ...
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Ovett Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:20 PM
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15. definition of INTP:
nerds that spend too much time on the internet!
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:21 PM
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16. see if you agree with this definition
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Ovett Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:24 PM
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20. i referenced that one above
i found it extremely accurate in most ways. actually it made me recognize some behaviors I was not conscious of.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:40 PM
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26. yeah, i just read that ...
interesting that the same article is cited at different locations ... sorry for the repost ...
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:22 PM
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17. LOTS of INTJers too
Just like me!

I know one other INTJ in real life and that person is a DUer!

But there are more INTJ people here than in the general population; there were are about 1% of the population.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:42 PM
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27. Dwight D. Eisenhower and Gerald Ford were INTP's
As were James Madison, John Quincy Adams, and John Tyler. :shrug:
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Ovett Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 10:04 PM
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33. I'm pretty sure Thomas Jefferson was INTP too. n/t
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 10:08 PM
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35. Nope. INTJ, like John F. Kennedy.
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Ovett Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 10:57 PM
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38. Keirsey uses Jefferson as a prototypical INTP.
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 11:05 PM
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76. Well, it is speculative to some degree.
It's not like anybody ever administered the Meyers-Briggs to Jefferson. I'm leaning toward INTP for him, but that could be slanted by my personal identification with him.
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Sisaruus Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 02:17 PM
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56. Another INTP checking in.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:23 PM
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19. INFP too - very interesting
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 09:24 PM by Sydnie
I don't believe I have ever taken that test before. It seems very accurte though.

Edit - typo
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:45 PM
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30. INFP
although my F/T score is almost 50/50.
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 11:25 AM
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81. Me too.
I've taken variations of that test several times over the last decade and the result has always been the same for me: I'm an INFP. There's a Yahoo group for us: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/INFPsONLY/
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:40 PM
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25. I'm an ENTP - pretty close....
n/t
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:44 PM
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29. Dang! INTP here, too
I'll confess that I'm still a little bit skeptical about the test -- sort of like how horoscopes are so general that if you generate one by just randomly picking phrases from published ones, most people think they're a good fit -- but the description of the INTP personality characteristics was surprisingly specific and accurate for me.
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:49 PM
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31. Well I read many of the other types and they genuinely don't apply as well
Horoscopes, on the other hand, are totally worthless. My sign sounds nothing like me at all, except occasionally in the most general human sense.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:58 PM
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32. INTP, but...
The Myers-Briggs is an homage to Jung, about as useful as the "Rolling Stones or Beatles?" personality test. That "thinking" and "feeling" are considered opposite poles of an imaginary axis suggests personality-psych is still in the bronze age.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:18 AM
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43. i can relate to that ...
actually, i just took the Beatles personality test ...

it turns out, i am the walrus ... koo koo ka choo ...
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 10:07 PM
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34. ENFP: WTF, I sound like Cpt. Trips! "Puts own job interviewer at ease!"
I dont know what it means for my political pov, but if I am anything like the description of the 3% of the population that are supposed to be ENFP, I feel very, very sorry for my husband who has to live with space cadet me.


Seriously though, there are 4 political types. Start with the basic cabala, Jewish, Christian or agnostic variants, your choice. One side is judgement the other is mercy. There are those who think we are born bad and society's job is to civilize us. There are those who think we are born pure and society corrupts us. These two paths lead to the same goal, but this is a secret so dont tell the people on either path, because they will be very, very pissed off at you (or sorry for you if they are on the mercy path).

Now, half of the people on the judgement side are Republicans and half are Democrats. Half on the mercy side are Democrats and half are Republicans. The Judgement Republicans are the conservative type. The Judgement Democrats are the "Let's ban pornography and pass hate crimes" type. The Mercy Democrats are liberals. The Mercy Republicans are libertarians.

If you analyze almost any political argument in which people get blue in the face and will not budge an inch, you will find a judgement/mercy conflict. These two types of thinking can coexist within the same person in varying ratios meaning that there are different gradations of liberal or conservative.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 12:45 PM
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51. ENFP: "The Inspirer"
The Inspirer


As an ENFP, your primary mode of living is focused externally, where you take things in primarily via your intuition. Your secondary mode is internal, where you deal with things according to how you feel about them, or how they fit in with your personal value system.

ENFPs are warm, enthusiastic people, typically very bright and full of potential. They live in the world of possibilities, and can become very passionate and excited about things. Their enthusiasm lends them the ability to inspire and motivate others, more so than we see in other types. They can talk their way in or out of anything. They love life, seeing it as a special gift, and strive to make the most out of it.

ENFPs have an unusually broad range of skills and talents. They are good at most things which interest them. Project-oriented, they may go through several different careers during their lifetime. To onlookers, the ENFP may seem directionless and without purpose, but ENFPs are actually quite consistent, in that they have a strong sense of values which they live with throughout their lives. Everything that they do must be in line with their values. An ENFP needs to feel that they are living their lives as their true Self, walking in step with what they believe is right. They see meaning in everything, and are on a continuous quest to adapt their lives and values to achieve inner peace. They're constantly aware and somewhat fearful of losing touch with themselves. Since emotional excitement is usually an important part of the ENFP's life, and because they are focused on keeping "centered", the ENFP is usually an intense individual, with highly evolved values.

An ENFP needs to focus on following through with their projects. This can be a problem area for some of these individuals. Unlike other Extraverted types, ENFPs need time alone to center themselves, and make sure they are moving in a direction which is in sync with their values. ENFPs who remain centered will usually be quite successful at their endeavors. Others may fall into the habit of dropping a project when they become excited about a new possibility, and thus they never achieve the great accomplishments which they are capable of achieving.

<snip>

http://www.personalitypage.com/ENFP.html
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 10:12 PM
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36. Hey, you have to pay for other tests. So watch out.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 10:18 PM
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37. Idealists are likely to be Bible thumpers
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 10:20 PM by quantessd
Idealistic, yet unrealistic, sounds like a Fundie to me.
I'm an ENTP.
T (Thinking) would seem more scientifically oriented, versus F (Feeling) as perhaps more spiritual...?

I would bet money that most Conservatives are J (Judgmental) rather than P (Perceptive).
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Ovett Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:00 PM
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39. I would guess most NFs are not bible thumpers.
most bible thumpers are probably SJs or SPs. Just a guess.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:34 PM
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40. okay, I'll buy that
Edited on Sat Apr-29-06 11:39 PM by quantessd
I overlooked the part that said NFs are idealists. I don't suppose you're offended, but, no offense intended. :-)

(Oh, and I scored T only a little higher than P, so I'm close to being an NF myself.)
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Ovett Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:53 PM
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42. I think you are confused.
T goes with F, and P goes with J (either/or).

I'm INTP (not F).
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catabryna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 08:54 AM
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45. Spiritual does not equal bible thumping
I have a bible, but that doesn't make me a fundie... it makes me a liberal Christian. :)
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 11:36 PM
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41. I'm an ENFP. I'm actually 50/50 on the T & F part according t the test.
n/t
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 10:24 AM
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46. Wow! We're twins!
Edited on Sun Apr-30-06 10:25 AM by TahitiNut
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 02:33 PM
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58. Wow, we really are!!! I am almost exactly the same.
My E is considered distinctive, my N distinctive and my P moderate.


The descriptions sound almost perfect, even the bad stuff I hate to admit!
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 10:26 AM
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47. I'm either INTP or ENTP.
I think it's confused by my anxiety.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 11:20 AM
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49. ENFJ here. I'm just on the border of F/T. BTW, I work with an ISTJ who
is very liberal, so I don't about political affiliation dovetailing with the Meyers-Briggs scores. However, it is an intriguing idea. MKJ
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 02:26 PM
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57. xNxJ

As I had some dissonance trying to answer "yes" or "no" on several of the questions where my answer would have been more qualified, I'm going to treat the "mild" indications as centered.

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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:04 PM
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62. INFJ nt
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 07:00 PM
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64. Notice how many N's there are here? In general pop only 26-34%

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teknomanzer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 07:11 PM
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65. I tested as INTP when I was 24
but I took the test recently, at age 34 to discover I was ENFJ (the extrovert - introvert was evenly split though and the Judging Perceiving was pretty close too) but the whole time I would have considered myself to be a leftist liberal type (although at 24 I felt I was a moderate yet all of my principles were indeed left leaning) So my personality score has changed somewhat dramatically, but oddly enough I don't think my politics has.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 08:19 PM
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68. xNxP, usually INFP or INTP
introvert/extrovert score is basicaly 50/50, but usually leans at the end towards introvert. same thing goes for my feeling/thinking score, except that one has ended up showing both sides.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 11:41 PM
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78. INTP here
I don't think personality type really has to do with poltical leanings, which I think has to deal more with upbringing.
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Ovett Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 10:20 AM
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79. Interesting that almost everyone here is NT or NF.
I think that says something about politics/personality... especially when you consider that these two categories are the least popular. But I think these two types are also the most "intellectual", so maybe people that post in forums of any kind tend to be these types. Anyone else want to add their type to provide more data?
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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 10:26 AM
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80. Holy crap, what's going on here....
....I'm an INTP too. I thought there were like 5 of us in the whole country. :)
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:57 PM
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88. And I think all five are here on this thread! nt
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 02:00 PM
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89. Big I, HUGE 100% N , BIG T and off the charts P!
Myers-Briggs is not really a predictive tool, but it does give insight as to the pattern of thinking and considerations.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 02:07 PM
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90. Gen Pop freq for INs and ENs range only 1-4% of pop
We are way over represented here on this forum, or at least on this thread! Maybe IS and ES weren't interested in the topic!

http://www.capt.org/mbti-assessment/estimated-frequencies.htm
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