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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:58 PM
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Book TV: After Words: Joe Klein coming up at 6 eastern on CSPAN
Klein will be interviewed by Walter Shapiro of Salon Magazine.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 05:00 PM
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1. Kewwwllll!!! I can tune in and take a nice nap.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 05:01 PM
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2. LOL
I'm hoping Shapiro will put his ass on the spot.

I loathe Klein.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 05:08 PM
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3. Actually both guys just made a good point!
Candidates are too adicted to consultants! I sure agree with that!

Joe said a good candidate knows when to listen to the consultant and when to push back and said NO!
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 05:25 PM
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6. except that Klein lied when he said Kerry never talked about Abu Ghraib
Klein claims Kerry's advisors focus grouped it and forbade Kerry to talk about it.

Kerry says he never heard about his advisors doing that, they never told him not to, and he spoke about it several times.

And Kerry did indeed talk about it, calling Rummy to resign over it. see:

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/25/kerry.rumsfeld/

Kerry reiterates call for Rumsfeld to resign
Says command must pay the price for Abu Ghraib abuse

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Here is an article where Bob Shrum disputes Klein's lies or poor research or whatever it is:

http://www.prospect.org/weblog/2006/04/post_110.html

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But now Shrum is disputing Klein's version of events. When I contacted Shrum, he said that Klein's characterization of the campaign's response to Abu Gharib is "inaccurate." "It is misleading to say that the campaign reaction to Abu Gharib was to hold a focus group," Shrum told me, adding that while the torture scandal may have come up from time to time, there was never a session devoted to it: "We held focus groups all the time. In those focus groups I have no doubt that Abu Gharib was mentioned. But coming out of that there was no recommendation to the candidate that he should never talk about it. I would have known if this recommendation was going to be made."

Shrum added: " never received any advice not to talk about Abu Gharib. I certainly never gave him that advice."

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 05:12 PM
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4. Eric Alterman recently handed Klein his ass
That was a thing of beauty.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 05:13 PM
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5. Yeah - saw it on Huffington Post
I laughed for days!!! :)
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