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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:08 AM
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Dean vs Emmanuel and Schumer - What is going on?
It seems that the Congress Democratic Leadership (Emmanuel and Schumer) are once again agitating against Dean and his 50 state strategy.

Probably no big deal, just power play and the DSCC and DCCC trying to get more money directly under their control, but it is now making it to the papers and this is not good news. So, if Emmanuel and Schumer could shut up and forget their ego for once, it would be nice:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/10/AR2006051001927.html

Democrats Are Fractured Over Strategy, Funds

By Thomas B. Edsall
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 11, 2006; Page A01

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean and the leader of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee have clashed angrily in recent days in a dispute about how the party should spend its money in advance of this fall's midterm elections.

Rep. Rahm Emanuel (Ill.), who is leading the party's effort to regain majority status in the House, stormed out of Dean's office several days ago leaving a trail of expletives, according to Democrats familiar with the session.


The blowup highlights a long-standing tension that has pitted Democratic congressional leaders, who are focused on their best opportunities for electoral gains this fall, against Dean and many state party chairmen, who believe that the party needs to be rebuilt from the ground up -- even in states that have traditionally been Republican strongholds.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/11/washington/11dean.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Dean and Party Leaders in a Money Dispute


By ADAM NAGOURNEY
Published: May 11, 2006

Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

Fifteen months after taking office, Mr. Dean has done precisely that. But the policy that has defined his tenure — while delighting state Democratic chairmen — has embroiled him in a battle with the two Congressional Democrats leading the effort to retake Congress this fall.

In a heated meeting last week, Representative Rahm Emanuel of Illinois and Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, challenged Mr. Dean on his 50-state program, saying it was undercutting Democratic hopes of taking back the House and the Senate, Democrats said. They warned that Mr. Dean was squandering an opportunity by sending money to parties in states that are a long way from becoming Democratic.

Democrats informed about the meeting described it as contentious and said Mr. Emanuel left abruptly when Mr. Dean declined to agree. Mr. Emanuel, in an interview, said he had left the meeting to cast a vote in Congress. He described their differences as a "fundamental difference about short-term versus long-term objectives — it is not hostile."

But in an interview, he said that he and Mr. Schumer, in their meeting with Mr. Dean, had drawn comparisons between what he was doing and the actions of his counterpart, Ken Mehlman, the leader of the Republican National Committee.

"We have an historic opportunity here," Mr. Emanuel said. "We need you on the field just like the R.N.C. is going to be on the field. If Ken Mehlman takes a powder on this election, great. But if not, you've got to be there."
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:11 AM
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1. dean can go back on the 700 club and explain it.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:14 AM
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2. May be, but if I see once again Schumer and Emmanuel on TV
Edited on Thu May-11-06 09:14 AM by Mass
I may wonder who I will support in 08 (well, given that Kennedy and Markey are running, may be not, but still, I hate Schumer and Emmanuel - at least Dean is able to explain what he stands for).
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:20 AM
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3. i have no love for emmanuel -- but dean is clear
about what he stands for now as far as i'm concerned.

i actually see the issues as separate.

one is about egos and running the party from the top.

the other institutionalizing a quiet back of the bus policy to to appeal to three bigots who will temporarily forget who they are voting for...maybe.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:38 AM
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7. Thread Hijack - Dean has a long history as an advocate for gay rights
The reporting I have seen so far on this 700 club thing doesn't ring true to me. JMHO
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:41 AM
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9. you have evidence that he did not say this?
http://www.sovo.com/thelatest/thelatest.cfm?blog_id=671...

because this is in quotation marks.

and if we are talking about dean -- it's not a thread hi-jack.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:47 AM
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10. I have evidence that Dean is a strong supporter of Gay Rights and full
Edited on Thu May-11-06 09:51 AM by emulatorloo
partnership rights for gay couples. It is called his history and his record.

Your link goes to a blank page. And quite frankly, I have a healthy skepticism about things I read in the papers and on blogs. You don't know how many times I have seen things exaggerated, distorted and misreported.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:42 AM
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17. ok -- it was on the 700 club
reported here.

dean's stated record that his support for gay marriage equality -- which in a very contemporary context is gay rights -- is that it should remain in the hands of the states.

with more and more states ruling against gay folk re: marriage -- that's some support.

his support in vermont was for civil unions -- separate but equal.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:29 AM
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14. Even the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force has...
condemned it in a statement. You may not think it rights true, but they saw it, issued a statement saying they'd previuously told him his assertions about the platform were wrong, and returned money to him.

Statement by Matt Foreman, Executive Director
National Gay and Lesbian Task Force


"Governor Dean is wrong about what the Democratic platform says about marriage equality. Disturbingly, this is not the first time he has misrepresented this important and affirming plank, and he has been asked before to correct the record and to cease making these misleading statements.

"Governor Dean's record on lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender issues since becoming DNC chair has been sorely and sadly lacking. The Democratic Party chair should stand by and fight for the party's own platform and values. In light of Governor Dean's pandering and insulting interview today with the Christian Broadcasting Network, we have decided to return the DNC's recent $5,000 contribution to us. We do so with great sadness, knowing that the Democratic Party has long been a champion of our rights. Once again, we urge the governor to accurately represent the party's commitment to equality for LGBT people and our families, and to do everything in his power as chair to realize this vision. This would include but not be limited to fighting anti-gay ballot initiatives in various states this November. We urge him to take the money we are returning today and spend it to defeat these attacks on LGBT people and our families." link
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:39 AM
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16. Thnks for the link - Still will be difficult to convince me Dean is
Edited on Thu May-11-06 10:42 AM by emulatorloo
anti-gay rights given his record. But that's just me - JMHO
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:58 AM
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18. The argument isn't that he's anti-LGBT rights
It's that he has repeatedly misrepresented the actual position of the Democratic Party Platform and did it most recently on CBN. Some of us would never belong to a political party that had a platform plank declaring that "marriage is between a man and a woman."
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:00 PM
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19. well I finally found the full quote - and despite the boneheaded mistake
it seems like there is good stuff there too - that Pat Robertson's audience needs to hear:


His boneheaded mistake in italics, the heart of the matter in bold

"The Democratic Party platform from 2004 says that marriage is between a man and a woman," Dean told Robertson. "That's what it says. I think where we may take exception with some religious leaders is that we believe in inclusion, that everybody deserves to live with dignity and respect, and that equal rights under the law are important."

http://365gay.com/Newscon06/05/051106dean.htm
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:25 AM
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4. Inside the Beltway crap...
That 99.99% of the people in this country could care less about...

However being a political junkie I have to say I side with Dean on this one...though I understand why Rahm is anxious!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:29 AM
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5. This is what I think is going on. I posted it last night.
"Rahm's job is just the House November 2006. Dean's job is long term,
all local, state, congressional and presidential races.

They are both just doing their jobs.

I don't blame Rahm for wanting as much $$ as he can possibly get to focus on the election in November.

I don't blame Howard for realizing the state and local Democratic Parties have to be rebuilt.

We have screwed that up by simply focusing on the next set of Congressional elections, or the next Presidential election, etc. and never focusing long term.

They are both concentrating on what they need to do.

Good."

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ramapodem Donating Member (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:34 AM
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6. As someone whose worked on longshot Congressional Campaigns
I have no love for the DCCC. There inaction has allowed a nazi aka Scott Garrett (NJ-5) to stay in power. Dean has my support.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:41 AM
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8. more DEMS ARE DIVIDED exaggeration from ADAM NAGOURNEY, maybe?
Sometimes I think they outta copyright the term, they like using it so much.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:54 AM
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11. Lest we not forget..
"Dems are fractured".

They're United against g fucking bush, though.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:05 AM
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13. and "Dems in Disarray" (tm)
here's to the upcoming crash of Bush's Hindenburg

:toast:

http://www.hindenburg.net.nyud.net:8090/hindenburg1.jpg
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 09:56 AM
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12. I stand with Dean
Only by building up the grassroots level of the party can we ever hope to start winning elections.

The days of looking to "Daddy" (DSCC or DCCC or DNC etc) to take care of them by candidates should be LONG over. We need to build strong parties in every state and every county so that we the people have the say, and not the various caucuses in Washington. As long as we are weak they can determine who survives primaries and who doesn't.

I'd also like to add, sometimes candidates and their loyal supporters come into a race with a real sense of entitlement. Their guy/gal is running, they love the candidate therefore the caucus in question OWES the campaign all the money and resources needed. Oy! I've had enough experience with that crap. A good candidate, a truly viable one should be able to do the bulk of their fundraising with help coming from the party/caucuses, not the other way around.

Rock on Dean! Build those parties all around the country! :toast:

Julie
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 10:34 AM
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15. Schumer is pissing me off
He is sticking his nose into places it doesn't belong. He is trying to become the Dems' sole political strategist.
He thinks someone is bad? Don't let them get in. He is seriously creeping me out. This has ZERO to do with his voting record and EVERYTHING to do with his strong-arming tactics.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:06 PM
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20. It's really very simple.
Edited on Thu May-11-06 04:06 PM by bemildred
Mr. Dean's strategy is working, we may well take back both houses of Congress. It that happens, Mr. Dean and us activists a.) get the credit, and b) have our positions and strategies validated. And that means the DLC is toast. And they don't want to be toast; they prefer to rule over the rubble of the Democratic Party, rather than have the party win while they lose power. For the DLC, the party activists and Mr. Dean are the enemy. The Republicans are much less of a threat, they don't want to take over the Democratic Party.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:08 PM
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22. You said that very well
Thank you.

:thumbsup:
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:12 PM
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23. My pleasure.
:hi:
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:07 PM
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21. the corporatists don't want to lose control of the dems in congress
Dean is a grassroots guy who is trying to oust the corporatists.

they will likely succeed, but i'll support Dean in his efforts, because its really our only chance.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-11-06 04:14 PM
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24. Well, going against Dean worked in 2004....they'll just trot that out
again in 2006--

Nagourney carries the water, Cohen sharpens the knives, Begala gets the piano wire ready, and Brazile & Carville will ready the coffin.

Hey, they don't have the Clenis to focus on now-- that's a republican method.

The DLC likes to focus on Dean.

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