The fake "immigration crisis" - my report from the streets (Houston)

[StellaBlue]

So I was in Houston this weekend, and I went to the Astros/Rangers game.

Afterward, coming out of the park, we noticed a woman walking up and down the street with a large-ish Texas flag and a big sign, sour-faced, silent, all by herself.

Her sign said:

TEXAS IS NOT A COLONY OF MEXICO!

:eyes: :puke:

My friend said right to her, "That's funny, too, since we STOLE TEXAS FROM MEXICO to begin with, bitch! We WERE A MEXICAN COLONY, YOU IDIOT!". My friend was kinda... drunk. But, still.

I said, "Aye, Dios mio! Que idiota! Viva Mexico!".

She just kept walking. But the idiocy of it, and the venom and misplaced anger the woman must feel... well, it stayed with me all afternoon, and I've been getting more and more pissed.

I'm white, btw.:banghead:

[Kerrytravelers]

1. I'll take my usual front row seat.

:popcorn:

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. I'm having chips with guacomole

and I might help myself to one of those Coronos if you don't mind. It's my turn to buy the round isn't it?

[Kerrytravelers]

10. You get the Corona. I'll get refills on the guacomole and chips! Salsa?

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. Sure but hold the jalapenos

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. You'd like some habaneros instead

:-)

[proud2BlibKansan]

20. Are they hot?

I can't eat those hot peppers.

[Catherine Vincent]

2. What a hateful woman!

She's just pissed that she's outnumbered. She should go over on Navigation and hold her sign. We'll see how long she lasts.

[chunkylover55]

3. Wow, the irony here. So, she was protesting peacfully on an issue.

And, you and your friend felt a need to call her a "bitch", then you had to come to this board and gloat about it. All the while you're saying she's full of "venome and misplaced anger". Perhaps you're just projecting your own feelings onto her.

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. Perhaps this woman is a misinformed idiot

I don't suppose that thought went through your head though.

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[StellaBlue]

9. Uh... no.

I hate how people on this board just jump to the worst conclusion possible and LOVE to bash, bash, bash.

:eyes:

MY POINT was that there was a woman, walking around in downtown Houston, with a sign that said "Texas is not a colony of Mexico!".

MY POINT is that the RW fake brouhaha over immigration has been taken up by some protest-inclinded freepers.

MY POINT is that, as usual, freepers have no sense of irony. Or history.

Your post makes no sense... I am not sure what you're asking, to be honest. My post WAS about the content of the sign. I have no problem with how it was communicated, and I don't know why you came to that conclusion. IMHO, what she was doing was the best way to protest in public. She wasn't yelling at people, she wasn't holding up a big picture of an aborted fetus, etc. And, if you're gonna walk down the street with an inflammatory sign, which is, after all, a form of SPEECH, I think you can expect other people to SPEAK BACK.

:shrug:

[Trajan]

13. You may have mistakenly attributed ....

my post to you: it was not directed to you ...

[StellaBlue]

22. aha!

sorry!

[StellaBlue]

7. I didn't call her a bitch.

But you just called me one. So, really - you're being one.

I did say to my friend, as well, "At least she's exercising her right to free speech. Doesn't happen much anymore."

I just can't believe that anyone would feel so threatened by the presence of people of another ethnicity. It's... weird.

[Kerrytravelers]

11. The Search tool can be your friend.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2280343#2281685

Yu donated, make use of it. Follow the link and I think you'll see what I mean. :hi:

[Trajan]

15. Exactly ....

Hence why I suspect this poster is not in the 'right' forum ...

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. Oh how I enjoy these DU aha moments

:)

[GrumpyGreg]

8. I just hope England doesn't decide it wants it's colonies back.

Why don't the Mexicans complain about Spain. Central and South america were invaded and conquered by Spain and Portugal.

It was really Spain that came to North America via the Missionaries.

Why pick on us? Are we just easy targets or is it just simpler geographically?.

[jerry611]

14. So Mexicans can wave a flag but not Texas?

Sounds a bit racist and discriminatory on your part...

You think it is OK for Mexicans to march down the streets and wave the Mexican flag. You call this their right to free speech. Yet a Texas woman walks down the street with a Texas flag and she is a hate-filled racist redneck.

Hmmmmm....
Someone has to explain this to me....

Second, we didn't steal crap from Mexico. We fought a war, we won it. That's how borders are created. If you want to get technical, I guess you can say we also stole the colonies away from the Brits.

[Kerrytravelers]

16. I guess we did steal the colonies from the Brits... after they and other

European nations stole it from the Native Americans.


Just throwing the thought out there. :shrug:

[Trajan]

17. ....

[StellaBlue]

23. Oh. My. God. Are you shitting me?!

First of all -

War = Bad.

I don't care how many wars have been fought, either; borders are fantasies, all people are humans, including immigrants. I have no problem whatsoever with anyone waving any national flag. The Irish wave their flag all over the place.



Don't give me a Texas history lesson. I was a tour guide at the Capitol for four years, thanks.

I LOVE TEXAS. I LOVE TEXAS FLAGS.

I do not understand how someone can feel threatened by the fact that there are a lot of Mexican and Mexican-Americans here. :eyes:

I didn't call her a "hate-filled facist redneck".

And, no... the Brits stole America from the Native Americans, IMHO.

[Freedom_Aflaim]

21. I thought Texas was its own country

And then joined the US. It was an independent country for about a decade in fact.

Im admittedly not an expert on Texas history, but immediately prior to Texas become part of the United States, it was not part of Mexico.

I suppose you could say that Texas stole itself away from Mexico when it claimed independence though.

Regardless, all this happened about 150 years ago, and has little to do with our current illegal immigrant problem.

[Kerrytravelers]

24. If Texas is their own country, I want them to take * back and let us have

Gore and Kerry as our President and V.P.! :bounce: :patriot:

[Freedom_Aflaim]

25. I 2nd that!

[StellaBlue]

26. Actually, I would say it has a lot do with the current problems...

A bunch of Anglo-Saxon Southern Protestant people immigrated legally to Texas in the 1820s and 30s, under the Mexican Constitution of 1824, which was democratic and not totally dissimilar from our own Constitution. These legal immigrants, as conditions of moving to Texas and getting land grants from the Mexican government, became Mexican citizens and formally converted to Catholicism. Many learned to speak Spanish. Many intermarried with the Spanish already in Texas.

However, in practice, they remained Americans - having separate Protestant services, continuing to bring slaves to Texas even though Mexico outlawed slavery, etc.

When the Mexican general Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna seized power, the Texans (and some Tejanos, too!) revolted under the 1824 flag (representing the democratic Constitution). They felt that they owed no allegiance to the new, tyrannical government, just as we feel no allegiance to the current administration. Meanwhile, many more Americans were pouring into Texas, legally and illegally, and bringing with them more slaves and more Protestant churches and more American culture. As this happened, more and more of these Texans were torn as to their citizenship and culture (not unlike Mexican-Americans today, perhaps?). Many of them wanted Texas to join the US, and all the Southern states wanted this, as well, because bringing in Texas would mean another slave state, two more pro-slavery seats in the US Senate, etc.

I guess you know what happened at the Alamo.

A few weeks later, as thousands of Texas ran for the Louisiana border in what was known as the Runaway Scrape, Sam Houston and a small army of Texans snuck up on Santa Anna's army at San Jacinto, near present-day Houston, and won a surprise battle that lasted only 18 minutes. Santa Anna was forced to grant Texas its independence from Mexico. However, after returning to Mexico after the battle, he continued to insist that Texas was in fact part of Mexico. There was also an ongoing dispute over whether the Nueces River or the Rio Grande formed the southern border of Texas.

Finally, the US and Mexico went to war (see 'The Mexican-American War'). This was a totally cynical, imperialistic war started by the USA on the pretense of protecting the Republic of Texas's independence and the safety of US citizens in Texas. Obviously, the US won the war, and took Texas (which at the time stretched all the way to Santa Fe, NM!) and much, much more land.

In all, Texas was its own country from 1836-1845/6 (depending on whether you think we were annexed to the US properly - another long story).

So, there ya go.