Jim Webb DEMOLISHES First Swiftboating Attempt by Allen!

[DoveTurnedHawk]

Now THIS is how you respond to attempted swiftboating! Allen tried to question Webb's patriotism in connection with the stupid flag burning amendment. I bet he didn't count on THIS response from Webb!

--

The campaign of U.S. Senate candidate Jim Webb today called the attacks on Webb’s patriotism by Allen’s campaign, “weak-kneed attacks by cowards” and demanded that Allen and his campaign apologize.

“George Felix Allen Jr. and his bush-league lapdog, Dick Wadhams, have not earned the right to challenge Jim Webb’s position on free speech and flag burning. Jim Webb served and fought for our flag and what it stands for, while George Felix Allen Jr. chose to cut and run. When he and his disrespectful campaign puppets attack Jim Webb they are attacking every man and woman who served. Their comments are nothing more than weak-kneed attacks by cowards. George Felix Allen Jr. needs to apologize to Jim Webb and to all men and women who have served our nation,” Webb spokesman Steve Jarding said.

On Tuesday, George Felix Allen Jr. and his campaign issued a press release in which the Allen campaign, through Wadhams, implied that Webb’s position in support of the Free Speech Amendment to the U.S. Constitution amounted to a political act and not a defense of our Constitution, which Webb fought for and for which he was highly decorated. George Felix Allen Jr. did not serve.

“I believe it is precisely because of bush-league attacks like this that John Zogby, a highly respected, independent polling expert just this week said that Dick Wadhams is not fit to serve as a campaign manager and that George Allen should find a new manager,” Jarding said.

“While Jim Webb and others of George Felix Allen Jr.’s generation were fighting for our freedoms and for our symbols of freedom in Vietnam, George Felix Allen Jr. was playing cowboy at a dude ranch in Nevada. People who live in glass dude ranches should not question the patriotism of real soldiers who fought and bled for this country on a real battlefield,” Jarding said.

“Is Dick Wadhams willing to publicly say that Colin Powell, John Glenn and Bob Kerrey are unpatriotic for having the same position on the flag burning amendment that Jim Webb has? Ask him,” Jarding said.

<...>

(emphases added)

http://www.webbforsenate.com/press/release.php?id=57

DTH

[C_U_L8R]

1. THAT man knows how to take down Republicans

beautiful.

repeat often.

[burythehatchet]

2. nuthin against people named Felix

but in this context :rofl:

[spooky3]

16. and "junior"--great way to disassociate him from his popular father

"G Felix A, Junior" just sounds different from "George Allen."

[femrap]

66. Yeah, I didn't recognize the name until I went to Webb's

website and then I realized...oh, yeah....of course it's VA and George Allen.

Felix...lol! And jr.....brilliant!

[countmyvote4real]

19. I loved that constant inclusion. n/t

[Cha]

42. Yeah, when you're

right, you're right! :rofl:

[The Magistrate]

3. That, Sir, Is How The Thing Is Done!

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. We can only hope that this gets the press it deserves.

felix allen indeed.

He might try a rovian attack on allen's strengths, but allen hasn't got any.

[blm]

21. hahaha...unless being a made man in the BFEE is considered a strength.

.

[Imalittleteapot]

5. Whoa! Impressive. Jardin

may have sunk the boat. His is a name to remember.

[democrank]

6. Pleased to recommend this shining example

of how it`s done. Now this is a comeback!

[11 Bravo]

7. Now THAT is a beautiful thing!

I've known Jim Webb for years and was pretty sure he would hit back, HARD, when the inevitable bullshit began to flow, but this exceeds even my expectations.

[proud patriot]

8. My hat's off to Webb

:patriot:

[wyldwolf]

9. BURN!

[Mojambo]

10. DAMN! All Democrats everywhere take notice.

That's how you do it.

I particularly like the repeated use of the middle name. It was like his mother was scolding him.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

99. Punch a bully in the nose and they usually run home crying for mama

Thank God somebody in the Democratic party knows how to respond to these chickenhawks.

I agree this is the template for all future responses to Swiftboating.

[electropop]

11. Wow! One hell of a piece of writing.

Every line is a gem. I especially love the "bush-league" (Bush-league) and "cut and run" references. SMACKDOWN!

[blm]

12. Swifts were independent group of vets, not Bush campaign -

They attacked Kerry's service record.

When Delay and Lott attcaked Kerry in 2003 he nailed them much like Webb did, but to a reporter.

Swiftboating is different than confrontations between campaigns.

Of course we know that swifts were really working for Rove, but no way to prove it the first day.

Kerry would have loved to make it against Bush and Rove. It's EASY to attack chickenhawks - swifting, using men who did serve, is a whole other circumstance. GOPs learned that you can't take real vets on directly - you have to do it using other vets to make it work.




Joe Conason: 'Kerry fires back at G.O.P. snipers'
Posted on Wednesday, March 06 @ 09:37:02 EST
This article has been read 1465 times.
By Joe Conason, New York Observer

We are living in a time when scoundrels seek to bully the loyal opposition and demonize all dissent for their own advancement. That’s why certain Republican politicians and pundits have assaulted Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle and other Democrats in terms usually reserved for foreign and domestic enemies.

What has been even more troubling than this ugly campaign, however, is the passivity of those who are its targets.

Mr. Daschle and his colleagues have remained inert during recent weeks and months, while their adversaries compared him with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and accused him of giving "aid and comfort" to the nation’s enemies. They have stood by in silence while authoritarian propaganda emanated from Republican fax machines and spread across the country. They’ve allowed the South Dakota Democrat, an Air Force veteran and bioterror target, to be taunted like a traitor by Rush Limbaugh, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and other tough-talkers who avoided military service as if it were anthrax.

<<<<<

So it was refreshing to hear at last from a patriot who found his voice and addressed the Republican Congressional leadership in the tone that they deserve. The first Democrat to speak up was, unsurprisingly, a Senator who has been both a war hero and a war protester.

On March 2, John Kerry took the podium at a political dinner in New Hampshire to defend Mr. Daschle, a colleague who is likely to become his rival for their party’s Presidential nomination. What the Massachusetts Senator said about Messrs. Lott and DeLay—and, by implication, about all the would-be White House enforcers—deserved more attention than a single article in his hometown paper, The Boston Globe.

"Let me be clear tonight to Senator Lott and to Tom DeLay: One of the lessons that I learned in Vietnam—a war they did not have to endure—and one of the basic vows of commitment that I made to myself, was that if I ever reached a position of responsibility, I would never stop asking questions that make a democracy strong," he told the audience of New Hampshire Democrats, whose startled murmurs quickly erupted into a standing ovation.

"Those who try to stifle the vibrancy of our democracy and shield policies from scrutiny behind a false cloak of patriotism miss the real value of what our troops defend and how we best defend our troops," he continued. "We will ask questions, and we will defend our democracy."

A combat veteran who received three Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star in two Navy tours—and who later founded Vietnam Veterans Against the War—Mr. Kerry has ample stature to challenge the character assassins and commissars of the far right. The day after the Concord dinner, he didn’t hesitate to reiterate his rebuke, adding the name of another Southern-fried chicken hawk.

"My message to Trent Lott and Tom Delay and Dick Armey—each of whom did not have to endure the war in Vietnam … the lesson I learned in that war is, the best way to defend American democracy and our soldiers is to ask the right questions at the right time."

Suddenly, it was the Republicans who had nothing to say.

You may reach Joe Conason via email at: [e-mail].

Reprinted from The New York Observer:

[Pithy Cherub]

24. If Kerry had responded like that then

he would have received all the free media on the planet and been elected without having to count votes.

Sorry blm, know how much you admire Kerry - but that is what I admire about you, your utter loyalty. Kerry's a great guy and now he's learning to say it plainly just like that 24/7 - Joe and Jane sixpack respect that.

[blm]

29. Swifts are VETS - - they were not chickenhawk politicians - - it's EASY to

attack the chickenhawk politicians - Kerry did it himself a few times, as shown above.


You all are comparing a group of vets and chickenhawk politicians as if they're the same - it's OBVIOUS chickenhawks are easy fodder - they are not the same as swift vets. And they are NOT the same as attacking politicians - not then - when they first came out noone had any idea how they were connected to Bush, only a strong suspicion.

Webb and other vets will be benefitting from all that has been learned about the swifts and their GOP funders now. But when it all comes down to it, fights against CHICKENHAWK POLITICIANS are WAY easier to have and more fun to have.

Vets on vets is just ugly through and through.

btw, thanks for the niceties... ;) I wish I didn't HAVE to feel like I'm on truth patrol all the time. I used to come here posting about how Bush/Moon was using the fundies and was one of the first to post about voting machine fraud before the 2002 races. Defending Kerry has become a focus because he gets attacked for just about every move he makes from one side or another.

I don't foresee any letup. LOL

[karynnj]

33. All the free media?

When Kerry did respond - and he did it Very strongly before the Firefighter's union, HE GOT VERY LITTLE MEDIA, far less than they freely gave to the SBVT. You can justify that they gave the SBVT more time (in total) on this issue than the Democratic nominee for President. They also ignored the Naval records that existed were all exactly as Kerry said. (Contrast to the TANG Rather story - the entire thing was dropped when they couldn't authenticate documents for which they had support on the content - and the records were "missing".)

Not to mention that the accuracy of Webb's record is not being challanged - this is two politicians throwing slurs. This is in no way similar, it is similar to the Kerry story BLM posted. (patriotism was questioned in both cases and there was an outraged from the heart response in both cases.

[fedupinBushcountry]

49. Yes and when Charlie Gibson on GMA

attacked Kerry with Republican garbage on his medals, this was April, 2004. I will never forget this interview, and I have not turned on GMA since.

Kerry responses:

KERRY: So the fact is that I have, I have been accurate precisely about what took place. And I am the one who later made clear exactly what happened. I mean, it's just, this is a controversy that the Republicans are pushing, the Republicans have spent $60 million in the last few weeks trying to attack me, and this comes from a president and a Republican Party that can't even answer whether or not he showed up for duty in the National Guard. I'm not going to stand for it.

GIBSON: You called them in and you made the distinction and said, I didn't throw my medals away, I just threw the ribbons away. You made the distinction.



KERRY: I was asked specifically in greater detail about what took place. And I answered the question truthfully. Which was exactly consistent with what happened in 1971. I mean, Charlie, go back and get the file footage. There were millions of people watching on television. I stood up in front of the nation and I took my ribbons off my chest just as other veterans did. This is a phony controversy. This is being pushed yesterday by Karen Hughes of the White House on Fox. It shows up at a several different stations at the same time. The Republicans are running $10 million this week to attack my credentials on defense. This comes from a president who can't even show or prove that he showed up for duty in the National Guard. And I'm not going to stand for it.

more

And what the Republicans are trying to do is make this into an issue because they have no record to run on. They can't go out and talk about jobs or health care or the environment. So they're going to attack 35 years ago. Last week in an unprecedented attack, they sent congressmen to the floor of the Senate, of the House, to attack me on the anniversary of my speech. George Bush has yet to explain to America whether or not, and tell the truth, about whether he showed up for duty. I'm not going to get attacked on something that I did, that is a matter of record, that the press saw, that I did in front of the entire nation, and everyone then understood. There was no distinction. We threw away the symbols of the war. I'm proud I stood up and fought against it. Proud I took on Richard Nixon. And I think, to this day, there's no distinction between the two.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2004/story?id=123457&page=1

[blm]

91. I never saw that interview but heard about it here at DU - people were

applauding Kerry for taking them straight on and going after Bush, too. Problem is that the rest of media didn't further a damn word Kerry said whenever he would counter the swifts or attack the Bushies.

[SquireJons]

133. Two things about that interview

1) Most of the main stream media is now owned by republicans and are an operational wing of the republican party. So don't expect them to tell the truth.

1) Kerry stumbles over his words. He may be right, but it always sounds like he's hiding something.

[The Wizard]

90. It's not finding proof of a connection

But in making them deny it as Lyndon Johnson said when told he had no proof his opponent was fucking a pig. Make them deny all connections to the lunatic Bush. Make them deny they want a permanent underclass. Make them deny they aren't lying scumbags, war profiteers and treasury looters. Make them deny their Klan connections. Make them deny their homosexuality (hint: Orin Hatch and Mitch McConnell look gay to me). Make them deny their mental illness. Make them deny Ann D. Coulter's dick. Make them deny the pictures of W giving Don King a blow job.
They denied they were out to get Bill Clinton and only interested in the "rule of law."
Ahh, that felt good.

[Tsiyu]

94. Nice, Wizard

It was good for me, too ;)

[Lasher]

130. I'll give that rant a 9.5, Wizard

Very good! :toast:

[Gabi Hayes]

13. how do you feel NOW, Sen. Kerry?

IIRC, Webb boxed against Ollie North at Annapolis

[beachmom]

45. Can we keep this thread positive about Webb, instead of

putting down the man who . . . ENDORSED Webb and possibly was the difference in Webb's victory in the primary. I can tell you as a Virginian that it was Kerry's endorsement that allowed me to take a second look at Webb, and to decide to vote for him over Miller. And I will continue to remind you Webb supporters of this fact, every time people dare to criticize Kerry. Don't bite the hand that feeds (and yes, Kerry may be doing more fundraising for Webb). Show some respect, please. Thank you.

Anyway, back to the subject, I especially loved the "Felix" and the "Jr." part, as it deftly separates George from his coach Dad.

[Lochloosa]

60. Nice reminder...say it more often.

[wisteria]

92. No comparison here, Kerry's situation is different and you appear

to be using repub points to discredit a good man.
For your information, Senator Kerry has supported Webb with money, and backing. Kerry's appearances in WV with Webb and his kind words for Webb are probably what put Webb over the top. I had no time for Webb until Senator Kerry endorsed him. I don't like to see people make unfair references to Kerry's situation and all those whom he had to battle and Webb's battle with just one little man. No comparison, no similarities.

[Mythsaje]

14. Do you hear something sizzling?

Oh...yeah, it's the sound of scorched Repug butt...

[Skidmore]

15. Ten hut! Sir!

Wow and wow and wow! Awaiting apology from Howdy Doody Allen.

[Pithy Cherub]

17. Now THAT is Kicking ASS and taking republicans names!

Jim Webb is just handing Georgie Felix Allen Jr. his little man's dude hat and making his pitiful campaign eat it!

Jim Webb:patriot::yourock: :bounce::woohoo::bounce:

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

18. YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!!!!!! Keep an eye on Webb if he

makes it into the Senate...

He caught my eye before he became a Dem, writing some outstanding essays about why going into Iraq would be such a disaster. I liked to send this to Repubs seeing as how Webb was not only a decorated Marine but also Reagan's Secretary of the Navy.

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. LOVE IT! Is he one of the 'Band of Brothers?' Remember their press

conference? They said, "When you attack ONE of us, you will be attacking ALL of us." The repukes will be hard-pressed to attack any of them on the 'patriotism' issue. dumb asses.

WTG, Jim!

[RandomUser]

22. This is good!

I'm so glad Webb is fighting back.

[Gabi Hayes]

23. from now on it's Sen. FELIX Allen! right?

RIGHT?

George is gone forever

remember that

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

25. Now all that remains is for Webb to go over to "Felix"'s campaign HQ and

go Sonny Corleone on his ass!

[robertpaulsen]

26. You hear me talkin', hillbilly boy? I ain't through with you by damn sight

Thank you Jim Webb for showing every Democrat in America how to flip your opponent.

GET MEDIEVAL ON ALLEN'S ASS!!!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

27. I think Allen is "pretty fuckin' FAR FROM OKAY" after that!

[smoogatz]

69. Yep. He'll think twice before pulling that shit again.

Hell, he might just have to run on his record.

[autorank]

79. Can't you just wait for the first face-to-face debate!!! Allen must be

having nightmares about that. "What will he say?" "Will he call me a 'dude ranch bush whacking phony' or worse? Should I even debate him?"

There is dismay in the Allen camp tonight.

Oh, Jim Webb, free us from this massive stupidity, this "know nothing" ism of Felix!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

119. Are there typically face to face debates in Senate races?

[autorank]

123. There are here and most places I've lived.

C-span covers them. This one will be a thing of beauty.

[npincus]

28. BAM!

[DinahMoeHum]

30. Webb's campaign is being advised by Jarding and Saunders. . .

the authors of "Foxes In The Henhouse"

www.foxesinthehenhouse.com

Webb has a better-than-even chance of beating Allen with those two aboard. They are NOT "DC Beltway" consultants, and they managed Mark Warner's successful gubernatorial campaign.

:kick::kick::kick:

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

32. One of those guys was on Air America, I really liked him, I should

get this book!

[Pithy Cherub]

35. They LIED & dishonored HONORABLE vets. same response due. n/t

[Pithy Cherub]

48. oops, this is in the wrong place.

sorry.

[Postman]

31. Take THAT,,,,,FELIX

eom

[skipos]

34. DAMN that was good. K&R! nt

[Pachamama]

36. Wow! Now that's how you swing back at these Rethugs!

Take note Dems: Instead of trying to explain things like "well, I didn't cut and run...I voted for this because...." What you do is what the Webb campaign just did: You go for the throat and you let those chickenhawk chickenshits have it and throw it right back at them ten-fold.

I loved it! And you know what? So will Republicans who aren't too impressed with "Felix"....

[spooky3]

37. His primary campaign slogan was "Born Fighting!"

Now you see what he means!

[Rex]

38. Excellent! Bush is a liability in 2006!

Finally, someone with the GUTS to face down the cowardly Repukers! When Allen attacks Webbs patriotism, he attacks all that served in a uniform (including me) so let me say this to Allen;

Go
Fuck
Yourself
Non-serving
Coward!

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

39. Whoo hoo!

This is EXACTLY how to tell it like it is!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

40. THIS is nectar for which Democrats have thirsted for many years now.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

41. "Felix" was foolish enough to have the attack come directly from his

campaign and lameass self, instead of slimily through surrogates a la Rove and the Swifties. Obviously didn't read Rove's emails carefully enough.

[blm]

46. Exactly - this is a tactical error that wasn't made by Rove and the swifts

.

[Lasher]

131. Webb will definitely be attacked by a third party

The campaign is just getting started. You're right, Felix made a mistake. But he's certainly getting a bunch of swift boaters geared up to attack Webb later in the campaign.

[dogday]

43. Bingo, that's what I am talking about

Throw it back it their faces.. Great Post!!!

[Spazito]

44. Whoa! Now that is fighting back and kicking ass!

Excellent!

[Strelnikov_]

47. Jarding Was On 60 Min A While Back w/ Dave Saunders

Authors of 'Foxes In The Henhouse'

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-03-09-foxes-democratic-advice_x.htm

Hafta say, looks like the guy has got game.

I would say Allen is in for a fight.

[never_get_over_it]

50. I AM SO SORRY

that I moved from VA to FL - man would I like to vote for this guy - you go Jim Webb - George Allen is an ass wipe....BE GONE GEORGE ALLEN.

[Olney Blue]

51. Felix, you got punked!

[Rose Siding]

52. George Felix Allen Jr. - He never knew what hit him.

http://www.allensboots.com.nyud.net:8090/new/xcart2/files/images/boots/western/L084-SM.jpg

[Olney Blue]

56. OK, Rose, now we gotta get a photoshop with Felix in cowboy boots!

[underpants]

86. Close

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=183x4001

http://www.conservative.org/pressroom/2006/speech_allen...
Senator George Allen (R-VA)
Conservative Political Action Conference
Washington, DC
February 9, 2006

Ladies and gentlemen. Patriots all! Good evening!

Allen Philosophy
As many of you know, I grew up in a coach’s family. As such, I was raised on the four Fs of Life: Faith, Family, Freedom and Football!

[autorank]

53. 65%-32% Kaine over Kilgore 2005, No. VA ... Wait till you wee Webb's #'s

That's right 65%-32% all over Northern Virginia. Northern Virginia gave Webb the nomination over former Diebold and outsourcing specialist Harris Miller. It will crush Allen. 70-30% and turnout will be huge. We're sick of being represented by this joke Allen. He was never respected as Governor and he's even more disliked now. We know who he is, those of us who pay attention, now the whole state will find out. What fool they are. His campaign should have bent over backward to avoid this. Webb was well prepared and, my God, look at that campaign manager's statement...sweet!

We're rokken in the Old Dominion.

K&R

[yardwork]

54. "People who live in glass dude ranches...."

I love it!

[ruggerson]

55. George FELIX Allen Jr

rofl

And a meme is born.

Ain't dat right, FELIX?

[bklyncowgirl]

59. That is sweet. Felix the faux cowboy.

This is how you do it. Show them up as a bunch of phony, draft dodging chickenhawks.

Dude ranch indeed.

[Lasher]

132. Isn't that Felix, the guy on the left?

[sendero]

57. I've been waiting four years...

... to hear a Dem give the Republicans a taste of their own bitter medicine.

Beautiful. And I haven't any doubt that voters will "get" it.

[Cameron27]

58. Perfect...every single word...

I love it. Finally....Attack !!!

[Dinger]

61. Wow, K & R!!!

Yessssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:headbang: :yourock:

[FrenchieCat]

62. That's right.......

Kick some ass!

Next!

[leeroysphitz]

63. "He puts one of yours in the hospital, you put one of his in the morgue"

"Now THAT'S the "Chicago" way!"

Yep we should have been hearing this brand of rhetoric for years and from every dem who wanted to gain or keep office. All democrats should know Jarding's words BY HEART and repeat them every chance we get.

[Maestro]

64. Felix baby

you got

[goclark]

65. That is exactly how we need to talk to them

Democrats are so much more intelligent than
RepubliCONS!

I don't know why we let them reduce us to long flowing words that are not for the average American.

"George Felix Allen Jr. and his bush-league lapdog, Dick Wadhams, have not earned the right to challenge Jim Webb’s position on free speech and flag burning. Jim Webb served and fought for our flag and what it stands for, while George Felix Allen Jr. chose to cut and run."

STICKIE it to um!

:applause:

[williesgirl]

67. This makes me even happier I voted for him in the primary! n/t

[smoogatz]

68. There ya go.

Dem candidates everywhere--take notes.

[kentuck]

70. I'm starting to like this guy !

:) Seems I recall that he used to kick Ollie North's ass in the boxing ring also??

[11 Bravo]

89. Actually, North won that fight ...

but the bout is STILL spoken of with awe by the Mids in Bancroft Hall. Toe-to-toe for three rounds and neither man ever stopped swinging. IIRC, North was awarded the decision on points.

[Leilani]

97. But the middies were rooting for Webb!

And yeah, the story is still talked about.

[Julius Civitatus]

71. BRAVO!!!! - THAT"S HOW IT'S DONE!

Demand that the pig apologizes ASAP. Call them on their bullshit in front of the media eye, without delay. This is what the advisors of Gore and Kerry should have done after the relentless attacks by the Rovian elves, which went mostly uncontested.

Bravo!
:applause:
:bounce: :toast: :headbang:

[dsc]

72. A thing of beauty

I am no Webb fan but this was great. BTW Glenn was no slouch himself in this department. He won his seat by roasting Metzenbalm who made a huge mistake during a debate (he had said Glenn had been nothing but a government worker) and won his last race against DeWine by excoriating him for a flier his campaign put out that had called him a traitor.

[NNN0LHI]

73. DTH. Where you been? I missed you. Glad to see you around n/t

[LibDemAlways]

107. I second that. And you've taken note of a race

that is pitting a take no prisoners Dem (I'm in shock) against a fake redneck coward. I can't wait for Allen to try and assert his Southern credentials. Southern, as in Palos Verdes Estates in Southern California where Allen is best remembered for sporting the Confederate flag on his lapel and spending his idle time spraypainting racist graffiti at his school hoping to incite a race riot.

[tomreedtoon]

74. Why couldn't Kerry have done that?

And, more important, if he is given the chance to run again, will he do it? Because he'll be attacked in the same way again - you know it.

[wisteria]

95. You can not compare the Webb-Allen race to Senator Kerry's race

against Bush. Webb has the advantage of one on one. Kerry's battles were coming from many different directions. Presidential elections can not be reduced to name calling.
Senator Kerry has learned his lessons from the 04 campaign. He now speaks out and speaks his mind. He speaks from his heart and he votes on principle.He no longer leaves things go without responding. Kerry has and will continue to fight for what is right. Just watch him.

[diamondsndust]

75. Ouch! Now *that's* gonna leave a mark!

[SeattleGirl]

76. Excellent response by Webb!

That's how you do it! :applause:

[gully]

77. "People who live in glass dude ranches --------"

:rofl: Now that's gonna stick. Get this man some major press.

I love Southern Democrats!

[ruggerson]

78. The guys running this campaign ran Warner's campaign in '01

Just sayin'....

[upi402]

80. oh dear, they'll never let him in the DINO club

:woohoo: :applause: Jim Webb

[w4rma]

81. Holy @#$%. I can't wait to vote for Webb. (nt)

[Skinner]

82. "Felix"

Effing Brilliant. I can't believe I never heard before this moment that George Allen's middle name is "Felix".

[underpants]

85. This is apparently the fifth F in the "Allen Philosophy"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=183x4001

http://www.conservative.org/pressroom/2006/speech_allen...
Senator George Allen (R-VA)
Conservative Political Action Conference
Washington, DC
February 9, 2006

Ladies and gentlemen. Patriots all! Good evening!

Allen Philosophy
As many of you know, I grew up in a coach’s family. As such, I was raised on the four Fs of Life: Faith, Family, Freedom and Football!

[Norquist Nemesis]

126. Absolutely! Brilliant is spot-on

I hope he keeps using it!

[Vinca]

83. Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant!

Glass dude ranches . . . :rofl:

[Swamp Rat]

84. ***squish***

SMACKED DOWN AND STEPPED ON LIKE A ROACH! :D

:patriot:

[underpants]

87. !!!SWEET NECTAR OF OMG YOU JUST GOT USED!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=183x4001

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

88. Hunter S. Thompson, is that you? n/t

[LibDemAlways]

93. It looks like Webb's campaign staff have been

busy doing their homework. Excellent, dead-on response. There's so much potential dirt on Allen just waiting to be unleashed at opportune moments, that it will be a pleasure watching him being smacked down with it.

Thus far he's gotten by on his folksy faux cowboy persona. If he's forced to campaign on the issues, he's sunk.

[Joe Chi Minh]

96. Great to see the cut-and-run/chickenhawk connection! It was

right before our eyes, but it's the first time I've seen it.

[Virginia Dare]

98. George FELIX fucking Allen Jr.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You are nothing but turd slime you racist chicken-hawk coward. Bring it on you piece of fascist filth.

And to James "Patriot" Webb, I say you, my good sir, ROCK!!!!

:yourock: :yourock: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[wicket]

100. I love it!!!!

:kick: :kick:

[Orion The Hunter]

101. All I can say is ...WOW!!

That was a full on pimp slapping that George Allen and his campaign took! Way to go Webb!!

[ElboRuum]

102. I Stand Humbled By This Greatness... n/t

[JudyM]

103. "Bush-league lapdog" - excellent moniker for the rethugs!! nt

[Scriptor Ignotus]

104. exactly what kerry should have done -nt

[NoAmericanTaliban]

105. Chickenhawk repukes are the original 'cut & run' crowd & they

need to be called on that. Voting for the flag admend doesn't make you a patriot, fighting for your country does.

[Jazz2006]

106. Beautifully done!

Absolutely perfect!

K&R

[starroute]

108. Dick Wadhams is Rove-lite

http://www.slate.com/id/2120558/

Dick Wadhams
Karl Rove's heir apparent.
By Alexandra Starr
Posted Friday, June 10, 2005, at 7:30 AM ET

John Thune's 2004 challenge to former Sen. Tom Daschle looked a little like a kamikaze mission. Two years previously, Thune had lost to Sen. Tim Johnson, another South Dakota Democrat who is a far less impressive campaigner than the former minority leader, in a year when Republicans racked up victories nationwide. But for his race against Daschle, Thune heeded the advice of the Bush White House, dumped his first campaign team, and hired Dick Wadhams. The 49-year-old operative comes across as an aging country boy, but he is renowned for running nasty and effective campaigns. In South Dakota he honed his slash-and-burn reputation, relentlessly attacking Daschle about his Washington, D.C., home, luxury car, and lobbyist wife. At one point, Wadhams accused the former minority leader of having "emboldened Saddam Hussein." Thune won, by a slim margin, and gratefully dubbed his campaign manager "the best pit bull out there."

Rove may have figured that recommending Wadhams for the South Dakota race would be the next best thing to taking Daschle down himself. The two operatives, who have known each other since their days in College Republicans, run similar campaigns. Both shield their candidates from the press. Both like to work with clients who may not be powerhouse political talents, but who sell well as regular guys and thrive on being underestimated. And both win, a lot. . . .

In those races, Wadhams didn't hesitate to run attack ads and regularly belittle his opponents. His approach mirrors not only Rove's but also that of the late Lee Atwater, creator of the Willie Horton ads that helped sink Michael Dukakis. While most campaign managers are defensive about going negative, however—Atwater, for example, claimed he got the idea for the Horton ads from Al Gore's primary campaign—Wadhams is entirely unapologetic. "There's nothing wrong with going negative," he once argued. "Staying positive is a disservice to the voters because differences between the candidates are never revealed." . . .

Can Wadhams take Allen from a little-known senator to a spot on the national ticket? It's a gamble, for sure: Even some Republicans snicker at Allen's tendency to turn every thought into a football metaphor (primaries are "intersquad scrimmages"; Senate recess is "halftime"). Questions about whether Allen is smart enough to be president are sure to dog a potential bid. And Wadhams has never run a national campaign before—or for that matter, a campaign outside a red state. The Republican presidential primary will be crowded, which means that his reflexive go-negative strategy could be risky: Voters who are turned off by the mudslinger as well as the mud will have other options to choose among.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/18/opinion/lynch/main675050.shtml

Rove-Gannon Connection?

WASHINGTON, Feb. 18, 2005

One of Gannon's first projects was an attempt to discredit the South Dakota Argus Leader, South Dakota's major paper, and its longtime political writer, David Kranz. According to the National Journal, which reported on this last November, Gannon wrote a series of articles in the summer of 2003 alleging that Kranz, who went to college with Democratic Sen. Tom Daschle, was not only sympathetic to him but was an actual part of the Daschle campaign. These articles then got a huge amount of play on the blogs of John Lauck and Jason Van Beek, and were picked up by other conservative sites and talk radio. The paper was bombarded with messages about its bias and acknowledges that these had an impact on its coverage.

Daschle opponent John Thune's campaign manager was Dick Wadham, an old political crony of Karl Rove's; the kind of pal Rove could ask to hire his first cousin, John Wood, a few years back. Wadham put the bloggers on the campaign payroll and the symbiotic relationship between the campaign, the bloggers and "reporter" Gannon continued. On September 29, Gannon broke the story that Daschle had claimed a special tax exemption for a house in Washington and the bloggers jumped all over it. According to a November 17 posting on South Dakota Politics – a site that Van Beek, who has become a staffer for now-Sen. Thune, has bequeathed to Lauck – "Jeff Gannon, whose reportage had a dramatic impact on the Daschle v. Thune race (his story about Sen. Daschle signing a legal document claiming to be a D.C. resident was published nearly the same day Thune began to run an ad showing Daschle saying, "I'm a D.C. resident) has written an analysis of the debacle."

Daschle aides told Roll Call, "This guy (Gannon) became the dumping ground for opposition research." The connections are so strong that there is an FEC challenge which could be a test case on the limits of the use of the Internet in federal campaigns.

[LibDemAlways]

109. Looks like Wadhams picked the wrong candidate to

go negative on. Allen has more skeletons than you'd find in most cemetaries, and Wadham's tactics are going to backfire bigtime as Webb's staff decides to unleash them. "Chickenhawk" is only the tip of the iceberg.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

125. True...

... Jarding and Saunders both worked for Daschle in the past. , I find it funny how so many think the world of them now.

BTW, thanks for posting these articles. Too many in here bought the Dick Wadhams/Karl Rove spin on Daschle.

[kristopher]

110. Yeeeeeha!

Blunt words to deal with slime. I like it.

[quiet.american]

111. Talk about a "be-yatch" slap. Well done! n/t

[skids]

112. Now all we need...

...are big foam "wobbly knee" suits for some people to wear at a counter-rally.

[LSK]

113. wow, John Kerry are you taking notes????

[blm]

124. Why? Webb wasn't attacked by a group of veterans - he was attacked by a

chickenhawk politician. Big difference. Kerry publicly attacked DeLay and Lott as NONSERVING pols in 2003 when they went after him. A whole group of veterans lying about your service is nothing similar.

[libhill]

114. well 'bout damn time

that the Dem's get some balls and start throwing these smear campaign tactics right back in the Rethug faces. The "Mr. Nice Guy, let's don't offend anyone" stuff has got to go. Or we'll never win another damned election.

[AndyA]

115. This is an excellent response. All Dems need to get this down, now,

as we can be certain there will be more Swiftboating coming our way between now and November.

Glass Dude Ranches...that is priceless! :thumbsup:

[Ron Green]

116. Is "Dickwad" really the first part of that guy's name?

How sad for him.

[dennisnyc]

117. this is beautiful!

been out of town, hadn't heard about this...
love it!!!

[grannylib]

118. Way to shred the filthy liars! DEMOCRATS, are you taking notice???

That's exactly what we need.
Bunch of cowardly, lying chickenshit chickenhawks have been getting away with these tactics for far too long.
Glad to see somebody has a set.

[Ksec]

120. Now thats refreshing.

A Democrat that knows how to play hardball.

When you run against people playing hardball , you damn sure better play hardball too. Good job Jim Webb. Hopefully this will rub off on others who are still playing whiffle ball.

[PATRICK]

121. If he bothers replying to the snarky

quote hiding behind Powell and Kerrey, call him an idiot because none of them questioned his patriotism so they could trick voters in Virginia. He would like to see Jarding try to trot out Powell to do his trench mouth warfare. Still a cheap shot and cheaper lame comebacks.

And then not get into a stupid exchange with a campaign manager. Let Allen try this tack and see how the dude ranch pictures do when set to Allen hypocrisy music.

[kaygore]

122. I am sooooo proud of Webb

[Midlodemocrat]

127. I'm sorry. I can't get past 'Felix'.

:rofl:

See ya, George. You racist POS, you.

[MrScorpio]

128. I love Webb

He's a fighter!

He must be our next Junior SENATOR!

[SquireJons]

129. THIS is why I voted for Webb instead of Harris

I may not like everything Webb says, but I like the way he says it. He is direct, to the point and courageous. He fights fire with more fire. This is exactly how the Democrats should react nationally. They have become so weak livered since they lost congress in 1994 that they reinforce the perception that they stand for nothing and can't be trusted as leaders. I'm a little worried about Webb being a fox in the hen house, but maybe a fox is just what the Dems need these days. If we keep following the likes of Polesi and Lieberman, or campaign the way Kerry and Gore did, it's no wonder people think shrub is a strong leader and Rove is a political genius.

It's about time that the Democrats took off the gloves. Maybe with Webb and Warner, Virginia will lead the reorientation of politics in America. Go Webb!

(I think I'll have to send the man a campaign contribution)